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Old 08-16-2008   #21
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i guess it could be a bad idea to get a slaton jersey
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I love how last year people were wanting to crown him the starter by game 3, and this season they want to throw him under the bus. Maybe he'll have a complete year reversal this year. Horrible preseason, awesome regular season. The knee jerk reactions are quite fun to read.
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Before we kick him off the team, let's wait and see what he does against Dallas. He has a lot of talent, something we could use if he can get his head together.
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I think almost all of us were just far too high on Jacoby Jones. He was a good preseason story last year. "Kid from small school does good in the pro's and isn't phased by the transition" made for good press and he really was exciting but that was preseason before he knew what he was getting into and this is year two and the rest of the league isn't surprised at how quick Jacoby Jones is. They had him figured out in about three weeks last year and the sad truth is that he's nothing special at this level.

I'm not really interested in seeing the Texans keep him at this point. He's last years kool aid and nothing more.
He kind of reminds me of a young player called up from the minors and starts playing well right as soon as he is brought up. But then the league catches up to him and we realize he's playing over his head.

Jacoby Jones may have just been playing over his head last preseason. If he continues to play poorly, I would not be surprised to see him get cut.

It seems like David Anderson has leapfrogged him and is the #4 guy now. I wonder if Tim Carter or Harry Williams have any chance at also passing by JJ.
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It seems like David Anderson has leapfrogged him and is the #4 guy now. I wonder if Tim Carter or Harry Williams have any chance at also passing by JJ.
I don't think so, but if we can't keep Simmons or Williams on the PS we "might" have 6 WRs on the roster but 1 will be inactive each game.
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He should talk to Jerry Rice. I am serious. Jerry Rice was Mr. Butterfinger and became one of the best WRs to ever play the game...........


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Jerry struggled as a rookie at first; and in the whole season, he only started four games. Reporters referred to him as a potential bust and some teammates called him “Butterfingers” to his face. In one game, Rice dropped two wide open passes; then, during half time Frisbee-catching dogs took the field and a fan yelled, “Rice, take notes!”

Rice later said, “Oh man, there were many games where I just went in and cried. I cried because I had always been able to catch a football and make a play, and now I was dropping footballs and I just couldn’t pinpoint what was going on. I had never been booed before, and that was really hard. Bill (Walsh) and the coaches just kept telling me, ‘Just keep working hard.’ In a situation like that, they could have slammed the door on me and said, ‘Ok, bad draft choice, let’s get rid of him.’ But I guess Bill saw something in me and stuck with me. He can see something in a football player that no one else can see.”


I hope Gary Kubiak takes a page out of Bill Walsh's book and treats JJ the same.
Settle down folks, I'm not saying JJ will be anywhere near JR, but he can get past this and be a VERY good player/playmaker/producer.

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I would really like to see JJ given more oppurtunites at WR before we unanimously decide he can't cut it. He's only gotten about 3 passes thrown to him so far this preseason. Take him off Punt Returns for 1 game and let him evaluate himself as a receiver first and foremost.
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He kind of reminds me of a young player called up from the minors and starts playing well right as soon as he is brought up. But then the league catches up to him and we realize he's playing over his head.
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I want to see Slaton take PRs with the 1s next week. If he's solid in that role then Jacoby is going to have to win the WR 5 job outright. But at this point he's not suiting up on Sundays until he proves that he's taking to the coaching and stops repeating the same mistakes.
I would rather not have the best runner we have be a target in the punt returner role . Personally i think jacoby is going to be benched and another returner will be found , at least i hope so .
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I love how last year people were wanting to crown him the starter by game 3, and this season they want to throw him under the bus. Maybe he'll have a complete year reversal this year. Horrible preseason, awesome regular season. The knee jerk reactions are quite fun to read.
Why do you assume it's a knee jerk reaction?
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omg. Is that Reeves on the ground? How ominous. Someone should've shown that to Rick Smith before he even went in contact with Reeves.
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I love how last year people were wanting to crown him the starter by game 3, and this season they want to throw him under the bus. Maybe he'll have a complete year reversal this year. Horrible preseason, awesome regular season. The knee jerk reactions are quite fun to read.
Have you heard what Kubiak has been preaching throughout the offseason OTAs and training camp?

Protect. The. Ball.

These aren't knee-jerk reactions and nobody is throwing him under the bus. Jacoby Jones jumped the shark and forgot that the path to success lies in taking it one step at a time.

The buck stops with him.

I'm as big a JJ fan as anyone, but his failure to hold on to the ball and his poor decision-making on punt returns makes him somewhat of a liability right now.
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omg. Is that Reeves on the ground? How ominous. Someone should've shown that to Rick Smith before he even went in contact with Reeves.
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11 months ago: Houston Texans' Jacoby Jones (12) runs past Dallas Cowboys' Jacques Reeves (35) and Keith Davis (29) as he returns a punt 91 yards for touchdown during the first quarter of a preseason NFL football game Saturday, Aug. 25, 2007 in Houston.
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Why do you assume it's a knee jerk reaction?
1. I was referencing last season when everyone considered Jacoby WR 2a. and Kevin WR 2b. We know how that one went

2. Really the only thing Jacoby has gotten a chance to show us so far is punt returns, about 3 passes, and a handoff on a reverse.

The handoff on the reverse is going to be screwy with the 4th string QB and WRs who aren't used to getting the ball handed to them (I was confused last year when we constantly ran reverses with Walter, but I think I know why now)

Everyone remembers JJs punt returns last preseason, but I was impressed with his pass receptions. Does he have great moves on punt returns? Yes. Is he having a bad case of nerves right now? Yes. Can he overcome them? Maybe. Do we have other people who can return punts? Oh Yeah, David Anderson looked good last year doing it.

I really don't care if JJ is our return guy or not, you can always get someone to return the punts. His great returns last year were a combination of blocking, good block awareness, and pure straightline speed with 2-3 moves max for yards. I for one have not been thoroughly impressed with the blocking on the punts so far. Theres only been about 3 good ones IMO.

I really want to see Jacoby develope as a reliable WR, who can 1. Use his speed and agility to get open easier, and 2. make big yards after the catch with that same speed and agility. Right now we have 4 WRs our QBs know they can rely on (5 if you count simmons). On passing plays JJ hasn't really disappointed me yet, and thats where I focus most on WRs.


Basically all I want to see is how he performs as a receiver and not just look at him as a return guy.
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Have you heard what Kubiak has been preaching throughout the offseason OTAs and training camp?

Protect. The. Ball.

These aren't knee-jerk reactions and nobody is throwing him under the bus. Jacoby Jones jumped the shark and forgot that the path to success lies in taking it one step at a time.

The buck stops with him.

I'm as big a JJ fan as anyone, but his failure to hold on to the ball and his poor decision-making on punt returns makes him somewhat of a liability right now.
Thought the kid would've learned after muffing the punt against the Titans last year. And just like last year, the defender was like 5 yards away from him before he even touched the ball and he still tried to return it.

The coaches are going zoom in on Jacoby these last two weeks of pre-season, and see how he reacts after this game. Meaning he has to go 110% every minute he's on the football field, even in practice. He has to show dedication and focus, and also a willingness to learn from those mistakes. No more clubbing or partying, it's football season. His mind should be 100% into football. If he show improvement in the next two games then the coach might keep him around, but right now his future with the Texans is looking dim.
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I wasn't calling for his head by any means. I was just wondering what happens from here? How does this get fixed? He is too talented to waste it away on the fumbles...
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Have you heard what Kubiak has been preaching throughout the offseason OTAs and training camp?

Protect. The. Ball.

These aren't knee-jerk reactions and nobody is throwing him under the bus. Jacoby Jones jumped the shark and forgot that the path to success lies in taking it one step at a time.

The buck stops with him.

I'm as big a JJ fan as anyone, but his failure to hold on to the ball and his poor decision-making on punt returns makes him somewhat of a liability right now.
People are getting darn close to throwing him under the bus. All of my rantings is coming from a guy who last year was not buying into JJ being our #2 WR, I don't have any emotional stock invested into him, I just prefer not to single a player out for just 1 thing.

Cases from last year.

Owens fumbles. I've never been down on his fumbles last year because they were very iffy, yet people started believing he had trouble holding onto the ball.

Babin was a bust. Was he worth the draft picks and $$ given for him? No, Was he our second best DE by the end of preseason last year? Arguably yes, especially when it came to pass rushing. But its hard for people to overlook what Casserly gave for him.

JJ will be a rookie sensation and will crack the starting lineup by week 3. It didn't work out that way, and the more level headed of the posters here were quick to point out Walters great hands and exceptional blocking would keep him in the starting lineup, and who knew Andre Davis would break out like that?


Those were things from last year that I define as "Knee Jerk". Similar things I'm seeing this year are.

1. Reeves is our goat.
2. JJ won't make the team/doesn't deserve to
3. Our running game is doomed

on 1. Reeves coverage has been at least decent (I think its been a little better then decent, but I'll go with just at least decent for now) So he got punked by Reggie twice. On one play he forced him to the sideline, and on the other he ducked his head and completely missed him (... dumbass). BUT, at least he was trying to make plays on those short swing passes that have been killing us regularly for the past few years (and last game against denver) I view that as a positive, also he wasn't that noticebly beaten on the deeper routes.

on 2. 90% of the flack he's receiving right now is based on his punt returns. But if the coaches get the opinion that JJ is a liability on returns now, guess what, they'll look somewhere else. I'd rather this all get resoved in the preseason then through the first few weeks of the regular season. The thing is, we KNOW JJ can play at the WR position. Take out the return factor and he's at worst, serviceable.

on 3. Our running game might well be doomed. But ... When AJ gets back teams will back off our line a little bit. We've already been witnessing people not respecting KW, AD, and DAnderson. Think that will happen with AJ? 10 to 1 that SS won't be crowding the box in the regular season. People will start to take notice of our passing attack, and if they don't then it will be time to adopt the philosophy of passing to set up the run.

The things I'm concerned about so far.
1. The linebackers, mostly the depth and Marlon Greenwood
2. Pass Rush, hopefully will get better with stunts and more packages
3. Punts ... ok I'm not concerned with punts, but I want to see Turk run the ball at least 1 more time.
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I wonder how much his first fumble had to do with being pumped because his whole family was in the crowd. Maybe he felt like he needed to do something special.

I'm not making excuses for the guy though. He should be smart enough to know when to call a fair catch.
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Jacoby needs to re-focus on his fundamentals, let the game come to him instead of trying to force a big play. He seems more serious, I'm sure he's getting a good talking to but when they look @ tape I think it all comes back to basics, then the playmaking ability returns.
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I am not going to throw him under the bus due to tonight's performance (or lack thereof) but he has a big * by his name in my mind. Here's hoping he remembers how to hold on to the ball.
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