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Old 08-14-2008   #61
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Correct. I doubt it though.
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Selecting Mendenhall in round 1 and ignoring LT would be like putting the cherry and whipped cream on your sundae and leaving off the ice cream.

It might look good, but in the end it's just a little sweet treat and a bunch of puffed up air that isn't very satisfying. Duane Brown is the half gallon of blue bell we need. Next year, we'll add the cherry and the whipped cream.
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Selecting Mendenhall in round 1 and ignoring LT would be like putting the cherry and whipped cream on your sundae and leaving off the ice cream.

It might look good, but in the end it's just a little sweet treat and a bunch of puffed up air that isn't very satisfying. Duane Brown is the half gallon of blue bell we need. Next year, we'll add the cherry and the whipped cream.
Duane Brown = Blue Bell Ice Cream

Steve Slaton = Whipped Cream

Domonique Barber = Cherry on top

Clearly this trade down was a no brainer since we got 3 players which will allow us to make a proper Sundae on Sundays.
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Duane Brown = Blue Bell Ice Cream

Steve Slaton = Whipped Cream

Domonique Barber = Cherry on top

Clearly this trade down was a no brainer since we got 3 players which will allow us to make a proper Sundae on Sundays.
What is Molden then?
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What is Molden then?
Molden was not part of the draft day deal. Rick Smith aquired excellent value from Baltimore for trading away the 18th pick for the 26th (Duane Brown) 89th (Steve Slayton) & 173rd (Dominique Barber)
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Selecting Mendenhall in round 1 and ignoring LT would be like putting the cherry and whipped cream on your sundae and leaving off the ice cream.

It might look good, but in the end it's just a little sweet treat and a bunch of puffed up air that isn't very satisfying. Duane Brown is the half gallon of blue bell we need. Next year, we'll add the cherry and the whipped cream.
We'll see.

Adding Meyers is going to have an impact as well. But they had better play a lot better than they did against Denver.

If were going to put so much value in the OL, we need to see big holes generated by the offensive line. Holes so huge, that Steve Slaton, Darius Walker & Chris Taylor can run amok on the NFL, and there will be no reason for us to address the running back situation in the '09 draft.

Heck, if Chris Brown can stay healthy, I think he'll be the most rounded of the bunch, and he'll go down as another ZBS product.

If Duane Brown is the answer at LT, we need a Cornerback, and a Center, in that order.


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Selecting Mendenhall in round 1 and ignoring LT would be like putting the cherry and whipped cream on your sundae and leaving off the ice cream.

It might look good, but in the end it's just a little sweet treat and a bunch of puffed up air that isn't very satisfying. Duane Brown is the half gallon of blue bell we need. Next year, we'll add the cherry and the whipped cream.
Mendenhall fell for a reason ( LZ said he's soft ) . I think the Texan brass will pick a RB early in due time but as of today they have done a pretty good job of filling other needs .
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Default Re: Running Back Avalability Thread.

I don't think the O-line is finished building yet either. Neither is the defensive line, the RB situation or our defensive backs. We got a ways to go to be a Super Bowl team. Not so much to sneak into the playoffs, we are almost there, but we got a ways to go before anyone should be talking about championships.
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I was not crushed or upset when we didn't take Mendenhall because I felt it was more important to draft for our o-line. And I'd prefer to have multiple picks than Mendenhall or Felix Jones at this point.

The running backs that I know of that I think are available:

Shaun Alexander - Broken down and possibly heartless since he got his payday
Cedric Benson - Character issues and performance issues
Mike Anderson - Not sure he still has it but had some good years in this system and can play FB
Marcell Shipp
Najeh Davenport - Not a good option in my opinion

I'm not sure who else is available.
Sad to say it but Cedric is the best talent on that list.
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If things don't get better we might have to trade for a running back. Steve Slaton is the best back on this team.
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Sad to say it but Cedric is the best talent on that list.
And we're not interested despite the fact that our running backs are old, fragile, ordinary, and/or inexperienced.

Now I understand that Cedric Benson isn't the guy you want to hang your hopes on. I get that. The Texans don't want to be the Cowboys where guys who can't toe the line come to play and I really do understand that. What I don't understand is why they won't help themselves even when they find themselves painted into a corner like they are now.

How cheap do you think a sitting at home and getting no offers Cedric Benson is? This guy is about to find himself out of football and it isn't because he sucks more than every other back with a job in the NFL right now. It's because of his behavior and he's got to know that. I am absolutely certain that his agent is telling him that he needs to take the next reasonable offer that comes his way and do nothing but what he's told or this whole ride is over. Why not offer him a conservative contract for 1 year with an option for the next year? Nobody says you have to build around Cedric Benson but jeez man, you got nothing in the backfield right now and with a deal like that you have very little risk and the potential for good things to happen if he turns it around.

If he's ordinary or trouble you cut him like you would any other player. If he does well and he fits here great. If he does well and doesn't fit here you let him go after the season. Maybe you trade that option on him for a day two pick to some other team that feels like taking the risk. Other teams do sometimes take risks even if we don't.

Like everyone here I assume the Texans are finally closing in on drafting that running back we've been needing for years. I think it's coming in 2009 and so a short term contract like this is just what the Texans would want and probably what Benson wants too. From his perspective he needs to go some place "good" where he can rehabilitate his image and prove that he can play in this league. It seems like Houston would be the perfect spot for that and I think his visit last month was probably about that. In our "any back can get a thousand yards" scheme (Copyright The Denver Broncos) Benson could be effective and play his way to another contract and real second chance someplace else or here if it worked out.

I can only hope that the Texans saw then or know something now that gives them a good reason not to bring him in because if this is just because he's not a "good person" and has transgressed with the DUI's then they're just plain stupid for not filling this huge gaping hole in their offense. If we can't run the ball this year then we're not going to even finish above .500 again. If we can't run the ball because Ahman Green and Chris Brown are broken down and all we have left is Slaton and two guys who are high quality camp fodder then the Texans are just shockingly foolish and still lack the ability to do business in the NFL where compromises are a way of life and sometimes you have to take some chances.
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What I don't understand is why they won't help themselves even when they find themselves painted into a corner like they are now.
It's all about perception.

The Texans may not perceive that we would be better off with Cedric Benson on this team instead of Chris Taylor(a guy they've already invested in), Darius Walker(a guy they've already invested money in) and Chris Brown( a guy who is more talented, and has more upside than Cedric Benson, and knows & understands more about what it means to be a pro).

They also may believe that Benson will be there in week 3 or week 7 or whenever they might need him.

Maybe they are waiting for Michael Bennett to get back on the market, or one of these other talented guys who will be getting cut here shortly.
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At this point in the season, it doesn't matter what we do, because all we'll pick up now is leftovers. It's still running back by committee for the rest of the year. Get used to it.

If the O-line does fantastic wonders under Gibbs that's not such a bad thing for this year, but we are still deep in preseason. I am still of the opinion our running game will improve this year with the current set of haphazard backs. It just won't be what we want until we get a true starting RB.
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After watching the Bronco's game, I'm kind of interested in what they plan on doing with Anthony Alridge. They have Selvin as their starter and Pittman and Hall backing him up. If he is the odd man out after cuts, I'd like to see the Texans bring him in. He looked pretty good in the system. I know we already have a change-of-pace back in Slaton, but what would another guy like him on the roster (or at least on the practice squad) hurt. I liked his burst and cutback ability.
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And we're not interested despite the fact that our running backs are old, fragile, ordinary, and/or inexperienced.

Now I understand that Cedric Benson isn't the guy you want to hang your hopes on. I get that. The Texans don't want to be the Cowboys where guys who can't toe the line come to play and I really do understand that. What I don't understand is why they won't help themselves even when they find themselves painted into a corner like they are now.

How cheap do you think a sitting at home and getting no offers Cedric Benson is? This guy is about to find himself out of football and it isn't because he sucks more than every other back with a job in the NFL right now. It's because of his behavior and he's got to know that. I am absolutely certain that his agent is telling him that he needs to take the next reasonable offer that comes his way and do nothing but what he's told or this whole ride is over. Why not offer him a conservative contract for 1 year with an option for the next year? Nobody says you have to build around Cedric Benson but jeez man, you got nothing in the backfield right now and with a deal like that you have very little risk and the potential for good things to happen if he turns it around.

If he's ordinary or trouble you cut him like you would any other player. If he does well and he fits here great. If he does well and doesn't fit here you let him go after the season. Maybe you trade that option on him for a day two pick to some other team that feels like taking the risk. Other teams do sometimes take risks even if we don't.

Like everyone here I assume the Texans are finally closing in on drafting that running back we've been needing for years. I think it's coming in 2009 and so a short term contract like this is just what the Texans would want and probably what Benson wants too. From his perspective he needs to go some place "good" where he can rehabilitate his image and prove that he can play in this league. It seems like Houston would be the perfect spot for that and I think his visit last month was probably about that. In our "any back can get a thousand yards" scheme (Copyright The Denver Broncos) Benson could be effective and play his way to another contract and real second chance someplace else or here if it worked out.

I can only hope that the Texans saw then or know something now that gives them a good reason not to bring him in because if this is just because he's not a "good person" and has transgressed with the DUI's then they're just plain stupid for not filling this huge gaping hole in their offense. If we can't run the ball this year then we're not going to even finish above .500 again. If we can't run the ball because Ahman Green and Chris Brown are broken down and all we have left is Slaton and two guys who are high quality camp fodder then the Texans are just shockingly foolish and still lack the ability to do business in the NFL where compromises are a way of life and sometimes you have to take some chances.
It's not just about the troubles with Benson. He sucks! He was awful last year.

I hated having Dayne last year, but I'd rather go back to Dayne than Benson. Dayne played better than Benson did last year, and he doesn't have the off the field problems like Benson does either. I don't want either one, but Dayne would be a better option than Benson.
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In my oppinion the Texans biggest problem at running back is not talent but staying healthy. What worries me is Kubiak/Smith seem to have a knack for finding players that have talent, but not the durability. So I just hope we don't sign some high potential roster cut, that ends up hurt 2 weeks later. I would be happy with Chris brown, Chris Taylor, or Steve Slaton if they can stay healthy at least most of the season. At least then they would have a chance to grow within the new system. It's very hard at any position to get established if you don't ever end the year with the same starters you began with.
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