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Old 08-19-2008   #101
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Just to name a few RBs:

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Joseph Addai 1st 30 14.12
Tiki Barber 2nd 36 10.33 3.25 3.88 13.31 11.86
Tatum Bell 2nd 41 5.36 11.53
Cedric Benson 1st 4 7.44 10.47
Ladell Betts 2nd 56 5.91 8.56 5.63 7.42
Lorenzo Booker 3rd 71 4
Chris Brown 3rd 93 5.9
Ronnie Brown 1st 2 13.8
Bush 1st 2 9.69
I didn't understand what your columns were until I started to reply to it.

It really sucks that we don't have a font that allows things to line up properly EXCEPT when we're in text edit mode.
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I have to agree with 3TP's line of thought here.
I hope they don't ruin another athlete by fast-tracking him.
The future of the team is more important, I'd hate for the coaches to try to cut some corner!
Running Back is a churn and burn position in the NFL. Unless you have a LT2 or Peterson, you take the handful of years that a guy can play when he is ready.
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I didn't understand what your columns were until I started to reply to it.

It really sucks that we don't have a font that allows things to line up properly EXCEPT when we're in text edit mode.
I know!
It really sux!
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And this groin muscle that he "felt tighten up" just keep getting worse and worse. First it was "playing it safe" then it was "He's day to day". Later it went to "He won't be playing for a couple of weeks" to "He's out until the season opener.

Today I note the following snippet: "The Texans used the available roster spot to sign running back Marcel Shipp, the former backup to Edgerrin James in Arizona. Shipp will get some carries now that Ahman Green is unlikely to see playing time until the regular-season opener at the earliest."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...s/5952115.html

Are you kidding me? Now we're hedging our bets against a possible return after the season opener?

Our D hasn't earned its right to a nickname, but I think the front office and coaching staff have by now earned a reputation to wear the logo "Doing The Texans Two-Step"..............or should I say "Doing The Texans Side Step."
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Our D hasn't earned its right to a nickname, but I think the front office and coaching staff have by now earned a reputation to wear the logo "Doing The Texans Two-Step"..............or should I say "Doing The Texans Side Step."
I wonder if a guy like Green ... who came here for Sherman ... is just looking to get paid . If the Texans were a perenial playoff contender would Green act this way ?

My point is I guess , Kubiak / Smith think he should be playing by now and Green says " no" more or less testing their patience .
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Our D hasn't earned its right to a nickname, but I think the front office and coaching staff have by now earned a reputation to wear the logo "Doing The Texans Two-Step"..............or should I say "Doing The Texans Side Step."
Added to the Texans Fan Dictionary and credited to CloakNNNdagger.

"The Texans Side-Step" or "Doing the Texans Side Step" refers to the Texans front office and coaching staff and their consistent refusal to be forthcoming on the injury status of a Texans player, even when such information would be of no use to an upcoming opponent. Since the first days of the franchise fans have noted that when it comes to information on injured players the Texans are only lying when you can see their lips move. When a player is injured and his status changes inexplicably over the course of several weeks it could be said that "The Texans are doing the Side-Step on that guy. We may never find out what's really going on with his knee."

A variation of "The Boselli Effect".
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I wonder if a guy like Green ... who came here for Sherman ... is just looking to get paid . .
Players and their agents are all looking to get paid. And some who have received handsome paydays will look for more - because, you know, it might be the last one. Getting paid is the goal of every NFL player, and in most cases I can't blame them. But it's up to the team managment to decide what's smart spending and what's not because the players will always in 100% of the cases take all that they can get. Somewhere, Todd Wade, Gary Walker and Robaire Smith are still laughing ...
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I wonder what she bases this on? What he did many moons ago in Green Bay or because of his dominating performances last season and his one epic ramble this year? I mean he seemed to be healthy for at least 80-90% of that 5 yards. Too bad he broke down as he rambled past yard 4.
That hurts and unfortunately well said.

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I remember wwhen a.pittman was cut last yr from n.o. and the ttexans couldve got him for nothing, but that was last yr. Going forward, they should go with brown,slaton,walker, and taylor. They should also bring in davenport or alexander for a workout, then sign 1 after the 1st game so its non guarantee contract.
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I remember wwhen a.pittman was cut last yr from n.o. and the ttexans couldve got him for nothing, but that was last yr. Going forward, they should go with brown,slaton,walker, and taylor. They should also bring in davenport or alexander for a workout, then sign 1 after the 1st game so its non guarantee contract.
I remember that. New Orleans traded up with us to select him. We got Fred Bennett and Brandon Frye. They picked Pittman and then released him... I think he then signed with St. Louis (?) and then got released?
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"The Texans Side-Step" or "Doing the Texans Side Step" refers to the Texans front office and coaching staff and their consistent refusal to be forthcoming on the injury status of a Texans player, even when such information would be of no use to an upcoming opponent. Since the first days of the franchise fans have noted that when it comes to information on injured players the Texans are only lying when you can see their lips move. When a player is injured and his status changes inexplicably over the course of several weeks it could be said that "The Texans are doing the Side-Step on that guy. We may never find out what's really going on with his knee."

A variation of "The Boselli Effect".
This philosophy is not unique to the Texans. Everyone knows Belichick is famous for stonewalling the press (and therefore the fans) regarding the true nature of his players' injury status. Even straight-as-an-arrow Tony Dungy wasn't straight with folks regarding how bad off Marvin Harrison was (or perhaps Peyton Manning is). They aren't the only ones. I can't think of a single guy that doesn't go into coachspeak when talking about who's hurt and how badly.

My point is, this is par for the NFL course. Never let 'em know how bad off you are.

Say we want to trade for a RB, if we broadcast to all the other teams that Ahman is shot and we're desparate, guess what, that 2nd or 3rd string guy we were eyeing just became worth a 3rd/4th round pick instead of a 6th/7th round pick. Or that guy they were gonna sneak thru waivers (that we were looking to steal) stays on their 53-man roster.

I realize that as fans, enquiring minds want to know this stuff. But we aren't the only one's listening.
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This philosophy is not unique to the Texans. Everyone knows Belichick is famous for stonewalling the press (and therefore the fans) regarding the true nature of his players' injury status. Even straight-as-an-arrow Tony Dungy wasn't straight with folks regarding how bad off Marvin Harrison was (or perhaps Peyton Manning is). They aren't the only ones. I can't think of a single guy that doesn't go into coachspeak when talking about who's hurt and how badly.

My point is, this is par for the NFL course. Never let 'em know how bad off you are.

Say we want to trade for a RB, if we broadcast to all the other teams that Ahman is shot and we're desparate, guess what, that 2nd or 3rd string guy we were eyeing just became worth a 3rd/4th round pick instead of a 6th/7th round pick. Or that guy they were gonna sneak thru waivers (that we were looking to steal) stays on their 53-man roster.

I realize that as fans, enquiring minds want to know this stuff. But we aren't the only one's listening.
I can accept part of that reasoning. But how many teams hide their injuries, with a track record seeing most of those players never making it back on the field?

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I can except part of that reasoning. But how many teams hide their injuries, with a track record seeing most of those players never making it back on the field?
No way that I know the answer to that question. But I'd bet good money that the Texans' headshed isn't alone following that strategy ...nor were we the first.

Now if you're saying that we "hold the current record"?
I don't have the data nor the confidence to argue against that viewpoint.
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No way that I know the answer to that question. But I'd bet good money that the Texans' headshed isn't alone following that strategy ...nor were we the first.

Now if you're saying that we "hold the current record"?
I don't have the data nor the confidence to argue against that viewpoint.
You might enjoy this ESPN bit about Roy Williams from our favorite Jerry "stretch" Jones:

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News: Williams missed practice Tuesday due to tendinitis in his left knee, the Dallas Morning News reports.

Spin: "It was not an injury type of thing," owner Jerry Jones said. "In my view, what I interpreted, it was just needing some rest. [It's] a chronic thing." Williams shouldn't miss any game action due to the knee, but if it continues to bother him he may get more rest during the season.
..................What the ????????????????

.................but Roy Williams will not just disappear into the sunset like most Texans have.
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You might enjoy this ESPN bit about Roy Williams from our favorite Jerry "stretch" Jones:

..................What the ????????????????

.................but Roy Williams will not just disappear into the sunset like most Texans have.

That sounds like GWB talking about an injured player

"Roy's a...Roy's a tough hombre and he's just got a little tenderizer in his knee there that's slowing him down.....just a step or so and he's going to relaxify until he's feeling copa..copastatical. Next question?"
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That sounds like GWB talking about an injured player

"Roy's a...Roy's a tough hombre and he's just got a little tenderizer in his knee there that's slowing him down.....just a step or so and he's going to relaxify until he's feeling copa..copastatical. Next question?"
Wish I could rep you that cracked me up!
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"The Texans Side-Step" or "Doing the Texans Side Step" refers to the Texans front office and coaching staff and their consistent refusal to be forthcoming on the injury status of a Texans player, even when such information would be of no use to an upcoming opponent. Since the first days of the franchise fans have noted that when it comes to information on injured players the Texans are only lying when you can see their lips move. When a player is injured and his status changes inexplicably over the course of several weeks it could be said that "The Texans are doing the Side-Step on that guy. We may never find out what's really going on with his knee."

A variation of "The Boselli Effect".

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Oh yes, I'm keeping a list. It's very short right now but I'm adding an entry or so ever week just as I come across certain saying that I think are catchy or that I've seen multiple Texans fans use. It's always stuff that references things we all watched and laughed at (or shook our heads in disbelief. The list goes both ways).

I'm trying not to force it because nothing sucks more than a bunch of people trying to come up with funny stuff like this. These things are like nicknames, they have to occur "naturally" or they seem contrived and stupid. Here's what I have so far.

"Smithiak" A common Texans fan abbreviation used to refer to both GM Rick Smith and Head Coach Gary Kubiak at the same time. It is typically used when speaking of an accomplishment or action taken by the two who are considered inseperable and equally responsible for all Texans post-2005 success but is sometimes used in the form of a criticism. This is usually done by one who does not believe in "The Trinity". Credited to ObsiWan

"The Trinity" The Texans fan term for the current brain trust of the Houston Texans which draws a parallel between the Owner, GM, and Head Coach with Christianity's Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. In Texans speak "The Trinity" goes like this: Kubiak walks among us and is our example of how to play football. Smith is the force that enables us to play football the way Kubiak shows us to. McNair is the creator and has orchestrated everything that has and will happen. Credited to dalemurphy.

"The C&C Losing Factory" - refers to the 2001-2005 regime of General Manager Charlie Casserly and Head Coach Dom Capers who combined to bring football fans in Houston a 4 year record of futility that came to a depressing 18-46 total. They capped their illustrious careers in Houston with a 2-14 work of art that eventually led to their demise (much to the relief of those Houston Texans fans who managed to survive their reign). Credited to Texan Bill.

"Ocho Stinko" - A play on Chad Johnson's nickname (He wears number 85 and is known as "Ocho Cinco") used to describe former Texans QB David Carr. While with the Texans Carr wore number 8 and arguably stunk as bad as any first overall draft pick QB in the history of the game. Credited to many.

"Caught The Shoe" or "Catching The Shoe" is a term that refers to poor tackling and makes reference to the weak attempt by Matt Stevens to tackle Ricky Williams in the Texans 2003 season opener at Miami. In that game an obviously overmatched Stevens attempted to stop Ricky Williams by grabbing his foot and came away with only a shoe which he then promptly threw down on the ground (some say he threw it at Williams). This perfect picture of futility has been enshrined as a phrase in the Texans fan dictionary. Usage would be as follows; "Man, Morlon Greenwood has been getting beat like a puppy today. He's done nothing but catch the shoe since the game started!" Credited to many

"P-Burnt" refers to exceptionally poor CB play by a Texans player. To get "P-burnt" is to be beaten so bad in pass coverage that you force Texans fans to remember Phillip Buchanon and his 2005 season as a Texan. Getting "P-Burnt" is mathematically 23.9 times worse than just getting "burnt" in coverage and this formula has been independently verified by The European Fecal Standards & Measurements Board in Zurich Switzerland. Credited to BigWig.

"The Boselli Effect" or simply "TBE" is used to describe a common disturbance/distortion of reality around a Texans player when an injury of seemingly trivial or minor status keeps that player out of action for an extended period of time. This is the result of the Texans penchant for lying about the injury status of players whether it helps their cause or not. It refers to the three year on-again, off-again Texans career of Tony Boselli who was the first player selected by the Texans in their expansion draft. Tony Boselli was coming off of what was described as a relatively common shoulder surgery and was expected to play in the 2002 season. Throughout that season Boselli's "return" was speculated upon week after week until he was finally placed on injured reserve so that he could be ready and 100% for the 2003 season. This pattern repeated the next year and finally concluded at the start of the 2004 season when Tony Boselli retired from football just a week after he finally began to practice for the team. Since that time similar injury situations have come about surrounding running backs Domanick Davis and most recently Ahman Green. In 2007 when WR Andre Johnson was injured much speculation among Texans fans concerned his mysterious knee injury that was first reported as being "fortunately not so bad" yet kept him out for many weeks. Any time a Texans player is injured there is the possibility that Texans fans may see "The Boselli Effect" in action. Credited to many.

"The Texans Side-Step" or "Doing the Texans Side Step" is another term for "The Boselli Effect" and refers to the Texans front office and coaching staff and their consistent refusal to be forthcoming on the injury status of a Texans player, even when such information would be of no use to an upcoming opponent. Since the first days of the franchise fans have noted that when it comes to information on injured players the Texans are only lying when you can see their lips move. When a player is injured and his status changes inexplicably over the course of several weeks it could be said that "The Texans are doing the Side-Step on that guy. We may never find out what's really going on with his knee." Credited to CloakNNNdagger
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I think Duckett will be cut from Seattle. If that happens and Taylor struggles, Gibbs might put in a word for his former plaayer. Some might not like it, but under gibbs, duckett had success. I always match pllayers with former coaches. If kubes could run with Dayne, he might not have a problem with T.J.
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I think Duckett will be cut from Seattle. If that happens and Taylor struggles, Gibbs might put in a word for his former plaayer. Some might not like it, but under gibbs, duckett had success. I always match pllayers with former coaches. If kubes could run with Dayne, he might not have a problem with T.J.

He does not have much tread off the tires, low carry total. And he is a "truck" at 6 ' 524 # with last year's ypc at 5.2, and a career ypc at 4.0.

BTW, he can't be too happy that Seattle is forcing him to learn the FB position.
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