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Old 08-11-2008   #41
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It's a little early to predict, but I see Weaver gone. I'm not giving up on Green just yet. Unless, of course, someone better becomes available.
yea, the guy is a non-factor and get paid too much. Cochran actually looked pretty good last night, so it isn't like we don't have someone to fall back on.
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everything they've done this off season points to protecting Weaver...

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Sign an aging LB with pass rushing skills.
That is not protecting a player that is trying to get the most out of a player without taking a cap hit and having dead money. Weaver is entering his 3rd year on a 4 year contract, the first two years he has not been healthy.
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Sign an aging LB with pass rushing skills.
Protecting him by signing a player that plays his positon ?

Sounds like they're slowly trying to replace him or atleast cut down on some of his snaps...

When Kubiak says "everyday Cochran is looking more and more like a starter" I'm not taking that as a bode of confidence for the Weave master...


The only way you can "look like a starter" (on any football team) is to look better than the guy ahead of you...
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That is not protecting a player that is trying to get the most out of a player without taking a cap hit and having dead money. Weaver is entering his 3rd year on a 4 year contract, the first two years he has not been healthy.
Oh I think that is exactly what the move was. They have Weaver under contract and they'll live with a rotation on third down. They've already swallowed the biggest portion of Weaver's contract. Makes no sense at all to cut him now in the last year of his contract. Don't know who'll be the odd man out. But they won't keep three pass rush specialist. Rosevelt Colvin, Cocheran or Kalu some one goes @ fifty three. But Weaver's not going anywhere.
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Oh I think that is exactly what the move was. They have Weaver under contract and they'll live with a rotation on third down. They've already swallowed the biggest portion of Weaver's contract. Makes no sense at all to cut him now in the last year of his contract. Don't know who'll be the odd man out. But they won't keep three pass rush specialist. Rosevelt Colvin, Cocheran or Kalu some one goes @ fifty three. But Weaver's not going anywhere.

I wouldn't discount it entirely...

And obviously the team views Cochran as more than just a "pass rush specialist"...

I would be perfectly fine with letting go of Weaver and keeping someone like Deljuan or Kalu...Cochran's going to make the team and I'm pretty sure Colvin will make it...

I just don't think Weaver offers much past being a big guy who can kinda hold his ground at the DE position...No playmaking ability, limited athleticism...
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Oh I think that is exactly what the move was. They have Weaver under contract and they'll live with a rotation on third down. They've already swallowed the biggest portion of Weaver's contract. Makes no sense at all to cut him now in the last year of his contract. Don't know who'll be the odd man out. But they won't keep three pass rush specialist. Rosevelt Colvin, Cocheran or Kalu some one goes @ fifty three. But Weaver's not going anywhere.
You missed my point. Weaver does very well against the run, but how well he will do rushing is not known because of the injury. So to have a pass rush specialist is not a bad thing it is just making the team better.
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So to have a pass rush specialist is not a bad thing it is just making the team better.
AKA covering up for Weaver's deficiency....
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Well, we got about sixteen days. We'll see. Kinda like everyone locking in Weary. Last I heard Weary's got a problem with the screws in his leg. I'm no Cloak n-n-n-Dagger, but I'd say that's a bit of a problem for a guy under a one year contract. I also know this HC covets stopping the run on first and second down. Like I said we'll see in about sixteen days.
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I also know this HC covets stopping the run on first and second down. Like I said we'll see in about sixteen days.


You don't covet a skill so much that you completely ignore all other factors...otherwise he could just put a DT out there at DE on first and second because Weaver hasn't given any more of a pass rush than Deljuan Robinson, Anthony Maddox, or Travis Johnson...

We'll see, but right now Weave man is not what I'd like to see out of my starting DE...
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AKA covering up for Weaver's deficiency....
Not every DE can be Mario Williams, that is what a good coaches and teams do.
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You don't covet a skill so much that you completely ignore all other factors...otherwise he could just put a DT out there at DE on first and second because Weaver hasn't given any more of a pass rush than Deljuan Robinson, Anthony Maddox, or Travis Johnson...

We'll see, but right now Weave man is not what I'd like to see out of my starting DE...
You've watched him now for three years. This HC of ours. What does he do... always...he takes the devil he knows over the devil he doesn't know. This year will be no different.
They've already bought the pig. They'll put lip stick on it until next off season. That's what they do. Makes no sense to turn loose of the pig now. The pig is already bought. He plays the run well. Kubiak can depend on him. And that is what matters to Kubiak.
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No...That's not what they do....

Starters shouldn't need several other players competing to pick up their slack because they're lacking skills in certain areas...


Good teams have starters at key positions that are everydown players...Not guys who need complimentary players because they are only effective on running downs...

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You've watched him now for three years. This HC of ours. What does he do... always...he takes the devil he knows over the devil he doesn't know. This year will be no different.
They've already bought the pig. They'll put lip stick on it until next off season. That's what they do. Makes no sense to turn loose of the pig now. The pig is already bought. He plays the run well. Kubiak can depend on him. And that is what matters to Kubiak.
I'm not saying that they will cut him...

I'm saying they should...

I don't think we'd miss much...
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You've watched him now for three years. This HC of ours. What does he do... always...he takes the devil he knows over the devil he doesn't know. This year will be no different.
They've already bought the pig. They'll put lip stick on it until next off season. That's what they do. Makes no sense to turn loose of the pig now. The pig is already bought. He plays the run well. Kubiak can depend on him. And that is what matters to Kubiak.
Now that is a truthful observation. Kubiak will take a known on his way down over an unknown on the way up.

That kills me, but you are right that is what he does.


So that logic also means Salaam has a inside track over Frye and Butler.
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Now that is a truthful observation. Kubiak will take a known on his way down over an unknown on the way up.
Not necessarily.....

Guys like Kevin Walter, Demeco Ryans, Zach Diles, Duane Brown, Matt Schaub, Amobi Okoye and others have been pressed into action over known commodities without having seen much real game action...

What Kubiak does do is tend to give vets the benefit of the doubt....Doesn't mean he's gonna hitch his wagon to them though...

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No...That's not what they do....

Starters shouldn't need several other players competing to pick up their slack because they're lacking skills in certain areas...


Good teams have starters at key positions that are everydown players...Not guys who need complimentary players because they are only effective on running downs...
So no other team in the league uses the term situational pass rusher or changes personel based upon down and distance, only the Texans. Opps I guess I have been seeing things differently in the league for a long time.
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So no other team in the league uses the term situational pass rusher or changes personel based upon down and distance, only the Texans. Opps I guess I have been seeing things differently in the league for a long time.
Let me show you the difference...

A team like the Bears uses a situational pass rusher not because their starters suck at rushing the passer, but because their "situational pass rusher" is outstanding...

We, on the other hand, are in this constant search for situational pass rushers as if it's a necessary position...

Other teams supplement their D-line with situational pass rushers...

We, on the other hand, seek situational pass rushers as if it is a real position...

A lot of teams can leave their DE's, as is, on the field whether it's 1st and 10, 2nd and inches, or 3rd and long....

We....Can't.....


Yes....There is a difference...

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Let me show you the difference...

A team like the Bears uses a situational pass rusher not because their starters suck at rushing the passer, but because their "situational pass rusher" is outstanding...

We, on the other hand, are in this constant search for situational pass rushers as if it's a necessary position...

Other teams supplement their D-line with situational pass rushers...

We, on the other hand, seek situational pass rushers as if it is a real position...

A lot of teams can leave their DE's, as is, on the field whether it's 1st and 10, 2nd and inches, or 3rd and long....

We....Can't.....


Yes....There is a difference...
What constant? This is the very first guy Kubiak has brought in that is a pass rushing specialist. So he using it to suppliment what we already have on the roster. These guys you say that are good to very against the rush as they are rushing the passer can be found where? I mean I do not recall any in FA, so the team strengthen the team the best way they could. Weaver is great against the run even with one good arm and one bad one. Colvin is not that good against the run. If Cochran continues to develop then he could be the guy who can handle both but at this time in his young career, he can not. Kalu is not an every down guy at this late stage in his career. It is as though you think you can pluck said guys out of thin air.

If Weaver gets beat out I have no doubt he will be gone before his contract is up. Which has this year and one more on it.
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