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Old 08-03-2008   #1
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Default Can Dunta play Stong Safety for us?

If Molden develops like we hope by mid-season & Bennett continues where he left off last year, Dunta might have a hard time cracking the starting lineup, which brings me to my point.

Bob Sanders is listed at 5'8" 206lbs & hits like a ton of bricks. We all know Dunta hits the same way & is more of a #2 CB than a #1. Does anyone think that if he put on another 20lbs of muscle (5'10" 200lbs), he could play SS for us? Again, assuming Molden & Bennett develop into stud CB's, putting Dunta at SS would allow us to put our 4 best secondary players on the field at the same time.

LCB: Bennett/Fletcher
RCB: Molden/Reeves/Williams
FS: Demps/Ferguson/Harrison/Barber
SS: Dunta/CC Brown/Earl


That'd be a tough starting lineup & possibly one of the best secondaries in the NFL with some very good depth at the safety positions. We could still use a little more quality depth at CB, but it sure looks like we'll be cutting some good players this year.

What do you think? Given that scenario, could Dunta play SS for us?
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Default Re: Can Dunta play Stong Safety for us?

This Dunta to free safety idea is a little far fetched IMO. Dunta to strong safety is just ridiculous.
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Default Re: Can Dunta play Stong Safety for us?

One thing I do when I scout college football players is try to project their frame and how much weight they will be able to add. Danuta's frame will not hold an additional 20lbs of anything.
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Default Re: Can Dunta play Stong Safety for us?

People are already fussing about the idea of moving a 180lbs Dunta Robinson to FS, so to go even further and have the thought of him being at SS? Well that's just.....



Switching Dunta to FS and putting Demps at SS would be better, imo.
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Default Re: Can Dunta play Stong Safety for us?

The best thing that could happen would be if both our young CB's develop as they show they could, and Daunta takes over the Nickle role and we can rid ourselves of Reeves.
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or Faggins.

Definitely Faggins.
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The best thing that could happen would be if both our young CB's develop as they show they could, and Daunta takes over the Nickle role and we can rid ourselves of Faggins.
That's kind of how I see it. Hopefully we can get to the point where Dunta can switch in and out of a starting CB spot and the nickel spot. His rookie year he was very effective playing in the nickel. We may actually be able to blitz him again as we used to do in his rookie year. He was a very effective blitzer.
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Default Re: Can Dunta play Stong Safety for us?

I agree, but he would have to take a paycut on his next contract. I still can't believe the Reeves signing, so there is no room for another questionable contract in the secondary. We can't afford two guys competing for the NB spot with guaranteed, long term contracts.
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Default Re: Can Dunta play Stong Safety for us?

I see it like this... yes, Bob Sanders is an undersized, but excellent safety who despite his size, hits like a truck.

He's also constantly injured.

Dunta would have to be constantly bringing the pain as a strong safety. Lots of hard hitting, constantly piling up on his body at a higher frequency than it would as a cornerback. It's not like Dunta's going to back off his aggressive style - and I wouldn't want him to - but I think that would lead to him to more injuries because his frame isn't "naturally" big enough for safety.

If Dunta wasn't such an amazing hitter for his size, I'd have less reservations about it. You don't have to necessarily be a hard-hitter to play SS, but you do need to be great in run support, and a great tackler.

So, while I don't dismiss the move out of hand like a lot of others do, I'm not sure it would be a good move because of what a great aggressive corner Dunta is. If he wasn't such a wrecking ball, I think it might work better.
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Default Re: Can Dunta play Stong Safety for us?

If Dunta doesn't ever regain the speed and quickness that had before he was injured, (which is pretty much a given, in my opinion) then he won't be good enough to play CB, FS, SS, or NB. There's only so many roster spots, and the competition for those spots is too fierce.

Is a pre-injured Dunta better than Faggins? Of course.

Is a post-injured Dunta better than Faggins? You might like to think so, but . . .
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Default Re: Can Dunta play Stong Safety for us?

Another thing that we might consider is that Dunta refuses to return punts or kickoffs (not that he's been asked to). I know this because he was asked by someone in the media (who probably wasn't serious). His response was that no, they haven't asked me, and, no, I'm not doing that anymore.

I think Dunta knows his physical limitations. He will hit anybody, but don't ask him to do it constantly, because he isn't stupid. He knows that will break him down over time. I hope he comes back 100%. If not, and if he is no longer even one of the two best CBs on the team, he will just have to play nickel.
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I see it like this... yes, Bob Sanders is an undersized, but excellent safety who despite his size, hits like a truck.

He's also constantly injured.

Dunta would have to be constantly bringing the pain as a strong safety. Lots of hard hitting, constantly piling up on his body at a higher frequency than it would as a cornerback. It's not like Dunta's going to back off his aggressive style - and I wouldn't want him to - but I think that would lead to him to more injuries because his frame isn't "naturally" big enough for safety.

If Dunta wasn't such an amazing hitter for his size, I'd have less reservations about it. You don't have to necessarily be a hard-hitter to play SS, but you do need to be great in run support, and a great tackler.

So, while I don't dismiss the move out of hand like a lot of others do, I'm not sure it would be a good move because of what a great aggressive corner Dunta is. If he wasn't such a wrecking ball, I think it might work better.

I agree & that's why I was thinking the extra muscle mass could help him. But, as YTF suggests, if he can't put that much weight on his frame, then it just won't work. I'm just afraid he's going to have lost enough of his quickness to not be as effective as he once was. And, once the opposing teams see that, it'll be like feeding time in a blood filled tank of piranha.
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If any of our current CB's get moved to a safety position, it will be Bennett and/or Molden. They have the size to make the switch.
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I agree & that's why I was thinking the extra muscle mass could help him. But, as YTF suggests, if he can't put that much weight on his frame, then it just won't work. I'm just afraid he's going to have lost enough of his quickness to not be as effective as he once was. And, once the opposing teams see that, it'll be like feeding time in a blood filled tank of piranha.
I also agree with Diehard.......but that same muscle mass/WEIGHT that you suggested on the same frame puts even more stress on the areas that have already experienced a major potentially career threatening trauma.
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I'm not very knowledgeable about some of the mechanics and strategies of football, so I've got a request...

Would someone help me understand the differences between the cornerbacks and the various safety positions?

How do they differ, and most importantly the idea and strategies behind each one's role.

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In simple terms SS's are tacklers used predominantly in run support to tackle the ball carrier that makes it into the 2nd level or area covered by the linebackers. FS's are usually more coverage support. They cover and disrupt recievers once they get into the deep secondary portion of the field (10-20 yards from the line of scrimmage) they also are not so much run support but tackle support. While the CB's are engaged on the WR's the FS is free to move in for the dissrupting hit at the point of reception. The CB's basicly cover WR's , either as they enter their zone or in a man to man role.

Not to confuse things, but the Texans differ from this norm in that they typically assign their secondary to sides of the field rather than a particular reciever. so you have a LCB, RCB, LS and RS. left corner right corner, etc. this makes their footwork easier as they are usually defending a certain angle of attack at all times. Hope that helps.
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I'm not very knowledgeable about some of the mechanics and strategies of football, so I've got a request...

Would someone help me understand the differences between the cornerbacks and the various safety positions?

How do they differ, and most importantly the idea and strategies behind each one's role.

Rep for all who help.
A lot depends on the scheme but generally you've got two cornerbacks. They usually line up on either side of the alignment but that can change depending on the defense (and the offensive alignment.) In a "normal" offense, the cornerback's main job is to run with the wide receivers and keep them from catching the balls. In a zone defense, that job changes to just being able to react to the ball and either get to it before the receiver in his zone or to make the tackle.

Safeties are the last line of defense. They're usually the guys that line up deepest in the defense.

A FREE safety is like a cornerback except usually a little slower. A free safety's job responsibilities are frequently to just go back and make sure no one gets behind him as well as to read the QB's eyes and try to make a play on any pass he makes. Sometimes, they'll have to cover a slot receiver. When cornerbacks start to lose a step as they get older, they frequently move to free safety. They normally have to have good ball skills and be willing to hit. In zones, they're usually in the deep zone.

A STRONG safety is a smaller, faster linebacker or bigger and slower than a FREE safety. His job is usually to come up in run support as well as to be the last line of defense if someone breaks through. In pass defense, he'll frequently be called on to cover the tight end or to play a deep zone. Strong safeties are frequently the enforcers in the middle of the field whose job is to hit any receiver in the middle of the field and take their head off.

In some defenses, like ours, some of these definitions get blurry.
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In simple terms SS's are tacklers used predominantly in run support to tackle the ball carrier that makes it into the 2nd level or area covered by the linebackers. FS's are usually more coverage support. They cover and disrupt recievers once they get into the deep secondary portion of the field (10-20 yards from the line of scrimmage) they also are not so much run support but tackle support. While the CB's are engaged on the WR's the FS is free to move in for the dissrupting hit at the point of reception. The CB's basicly cover WR's , either as they enter their zone or in a man to man role.

Not to confuse things, but the Texans differ from this norm in that they typically assign their secondary to sides of the field rather than a particular reciever. so you have a LCB, RCB, LS and RS. left corner right corner, etc. this makes their footwork easier as they are usually defending a certain angle of attack at all times. Hope that helps.
Pretty much a good synopsis, TK and Pencil Neck.

Watchman, for some useful fill in to the above position info:

CORNERBACK

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Good article on the main site on this subject (secondary):

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/St...?story_id=4454

Also, check out the video of Hoke explaining a few things....
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