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Old 08-01-2008   #1
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Default ESPN article and video on cut blocking

In today's AFC South Blog, there is an article about the Texans cut blocking scheme along with reaction from Mario Williams and Albert Haynesworth, along with a video by Mark Schlereth.

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As excited as I am about the new offensive scheme, I do have to admit I don't like the cut block.

Its even more depressing when Kubiak specifically states he won't cut block in practice or against Denver because he doesn't want to hurt those players. But he'll cut block Tampa, NO, and Dal and th erest of our opponents
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As excited as I am about the new offensive scheme, I do have to admit I don't like the cut block.

Its even more depressing when Kubiak specifically states he won't cut block in practice or against Denver because he doesn't want to hurt those players. But he'll cut block Tampa, NO, and Dal and th erest of our opponents
Where did he say that?
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As excited as I am about the new offensive scheme, I do have to admit I don't like the cut block.

Its even more depressing when Kubiak specifically states he won't cut block in practice or against Denver because he doesn't want to hurt those players. But he'll cut block Tampa, NO, and Dal and th erest of our opponents
I agree. Football is a violent sport, and injuries happen just because big, fast guys are flying around hitting each other. The cut block seems like a deliberate attempt to injure, though. Sure, the coaches can all talk about technique, and getting out in front, and eye contact, etc., but at the end of the day, they've acknowledged that it's a bigger injury risk by not using it against opponents in a preseason game (if that's what they do). To me, it crosses a line,and it's cheap. I kind of feel like I'm rooting for John Stockton.

I have to admit, one Titan gave a quote that I respect a lot:

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Tony Brown, Titans defensive tackle: "I dislike it. I feel like that's the offensive lineman's cheap way out of it. We're all out there trying to fight and compete. If you want to be a man about it, try to block someone one-on-one, don't cut him. We're not going to like it, but at the same time that's what they are being coached to do. So we know they are not trying to be personal about it. That's their scheme. It's up to us as a defensive line to keep them from doing us like that. What you want to do is make sure you get your hands on them as much as you can, because if you come off the ball and don't have any hands, they're going to go at your feet quicker than you imagine. One mistake from you, you know you're going to be down, and there goes the ball cut into your gap."
Haynesworthlessness is not capable of understanding this, evidently.
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The Texans won't likely tick off the Denver Broncos in the preseason opener, since the scheme assistant coach Alex Gibbs, essentially the run game coordinator, brought to Houston was the same one he installed and ran in Denver years ago.

But New Orleans, Dallas and Tampa Bay may not be very happy that their top defensive linemen are susceptible to cut blocks in the preseason.
Not from Kubiak, but in the article
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I say if you're gonna do it, you have to do it to everyone. Sparing a team because you like them doesn't really help the image of cut blocking.
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Not from Kubiak, but in the article
So it is purely speculation by a guy who just recently got his gig covering the AFC South.
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Cut blocking doesn't cause anymore injuries than regular blocking...

Guys just don't like it because they hate eating turf....No one likes their legs taken away from them....It makes you feel helpless...

If Offensive lineman can no longer cutblock, defenders can no longer go at running backs legs...It's cheap...Be a man and Tackle that 250 lb bruiser back up high!!!!
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In fact, lets just make it illegal to hit any player below the belt....like boxing....
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Cut blocking doesn't cause anymore injuries than regular blocking...

Guys just don't like it because they hate eating turf....No one likes their legs taken away from them....It makes you feel helpless...
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Not from Kubiak, but in the article
He's not saying that we won't cut block Denver. he's saying that Denver won't be ticked off about us doing it, since they are used to playing against it already.
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Default Re: ESPN article and video on cut blocking

I don't like cut blocks either. We are going to be hated for this, but if that's what it takes to win, I'm all for it.
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Cut blocking doesn't cause anymore injuries than regular blocking...


That's true. The problem is when the cut comes from the backside and perhaps the player is already engaged. While that's not legal and not taught, the reality is that if you cut block regularly there will be more instances of this happening. Similarly, if you use a punch as an offensive lineman, you are more likely to hit a guy in the face.
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Anything the Texans can do to piss off Haynesworth is fine by me. If the last NFL szeason taught me anything, fans will hate a team for any number of irrational reasons. A lot of east coast based sportswriters hate Houston already so I'll be fine with a little more hate if we're winning.

I've never felt cheap about any win my team has had playing football, and I'm not about to start because some opposing defensive lineman don't like it. Sign me up I'm all about going all-out to win.
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It's time for us to start dishing out the punishment instead of taking all these years.
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Albert Haynesworth, Titans defensive tackle: "They always talk about us being dirty, maybe they need to look at that, trying to hurt people and stuff. If they aren't man enough to stay up, shoot, they shouldn't be in the league then. The coach, either."
Ya know Fat Albert. I've been wrong about you. You're not dirty. Because driving QB's into the turf with the intent of hurting them AND stompin a mudhole in someone's dome is never dirty.

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That's true. The problem is when the cut comes from the backside and perhaps the player is already engaged. While that's not legal and not taught, the reality is that if you cut block regularly there will be more instances of this happening. Similarly, if you use a punch as an offensive lineman, you are more likely to hit a guy in the face.

To quote an old saying...."Sometimes you're the statue, sometimes you're the pigeon."

Its time the Texans stopped being the statue...



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To quote an old saying...."Sometimes you're the statue, sometimes you're the pigeon."

Its time the Texans stopped being the statue...



If it's your team ... then we're scrappy .

If it's their team ... their dirty .

Here's to a scrappy season .
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"It's all in how you cut someone. If you make eye contact, if your head is in front, then it's a legitimate cut," Gibbs said. "If you do something cheap, if you take the back of a guy's legs out, that's not nearly as cool. I don't operate that way. I don't do things like that."
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not just uncool but also a clip, right coach ?

Said Daniels: "Say you beat me across the face and then I am cutting your back leg. I don't know if that's a penalty, but that's definitely something guys will get more mad about."
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Yea Owen, that's a penalty because it constitutes a clip as I understand
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If this is really of interest to you, be sure to watch the video featuring Mark Schlereth, former Broncos Olineman who is an authority on this technique. He clearly explains that hitting the back of the leg constitutes a clip and the area to aim for on the cut-block is between the waist and the kneee, not below the knee.
But there seems to be some inconsistancy in Daniels remarks, and even what Gibbs says is legal vs what Sclereth says ?
But all in all though, I've got to think the technique wouldn't be legal if there was a real concern to injury to defensive players. Afterall, these owners have been known to pay some pretty big bucks to DLineman and one has got to think they'd object to this technique if it was that dangerous.
And one more thing, I can't think of anyother technique that is not tested, developed during the week at practice but just used during games ?
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There is sometimes a real fine line between a legal cut block and an illegal chop block (a matter of inches, having your head ahead of the d-lineman or behind) and a lot of fans don’t know the difference.
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