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Old 07-23-2008   #1
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7. Houston Texans – Bob McNair: Since bringing football back to Houston at the start of the decade, McNair has done virtually everything right, with one glaring exception: The team still hasn’t produced a winning record, though things are looking up on that front. That McNair has somehow managed to rank third in sponsorship money and, according to Forbes magazine last September, fourth in franchise value ($1.043 billion), is a testament to his business acumen. He’s also an accomplished problem-solver on a league level, despite the bad rap he gets from many of his small-market peers, who wrongly believe the report he submitted as the chair of the league’s economic committee two years ago (before the labor agreement was extended) was skewed toward his big-market brethren. Bottom line: The man wants to win desperately, and before too long he’ll figure it out.


Well, I thought we had a winning record (8-8 in 2007-2008 season)...anyways, I think the Texans success has been due in part because of Mr. McNair, one of the most patient owners in the league who I thank for bringing football back to Houston.

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Winning would be 9-7. 8-8 is non-losing.
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When you look at the owner that left Houston, you see how not to do it. But I think Bud everyday for being a big stupid baby and leaving Houston open for a man like Mr. McNair.
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So, what's keeping McNair from being #1, besides winning a playoff game?
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Well I'm asking why Snyder is so highly ranked, when he is the perfect example of why money doesn't buy championships...
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So, what's keeping McNair from being #1, besides winning a playoff game?
Nothing. When we start making the playoffs and perhaps win the superbowl he will be closer to the top. The 6 owners in front of Mcnair have all been in the playoffs recently (all besides the Panthers were in it this year).
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i've said it before. i have an "organization crush" in the biggest way! top to bottom, nothing but class. it all gets filtered through this man. no doubt, we lucked out big time.
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Bob McNair might be the consumate businessman, I don't know about that facet of the game. But I do know that Bob McNair is the guy that hired, and stuck with, Charlie Casserly and Dom Capers for four years. I know that he is the guy who stuck with David Carr for even longer and even made the hiring of the new coach contingent on his willingness to work with David Carr.

McNair might be exceptional on the business front of the organization, but he has his fair share of blame when it comes to the depths this team reached in 2005.
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he's learning from his mistakes. obviously. that's a weak point.
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he's learning from his mistakes. obviously. that's a weak point.
Well I hope he is. Though there's really no evidence to support your conjecture either way.
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you haven't seen anything from his decision making over the last three years that might suggest that he's making more successful decisions? are you being serious or are you messing with me? are you one of these guys that thinks the titans are still in houston? are you confusing him with bud? i don't understand your last statement at all.
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Bob McNair might be the consumate businessman, I don't know about that facet of the game. But I do know that Bob McNair is the guy that hired, and stuck with, Charlie Casserly and Dom Capers for four years. I know that he is the guy who stuck with David Carr for even longer and even made the hiring of the new coach contingent on his willingness to work with David Carr.

McNair might be exceptional on the business front of the organization, but he has his fair share of blame when it comes to the depths this team reached in 2005.
McNair admits he is not a football guy and that he is learning on a steep curve right now. I guess expect a new franchise tonever ever make a mistake, but that is just wishful thinking. Look at teams like the Bucs and the Bengals who have for the most part in there long history sucked more than they have won. The Patriots sucked until Kraft purchased the team. Running a successful business does not mean you are going to have immediate success in the NFL. He hired two individuals who at the time were well respected in the NFL (as far as I know anyway) to do the job. Starting from scratch you can not have a quick hook, it does not work that way Give him credit for fixing the problems when he did and look who he hired to turn things around? Looks like the learning curve is a lot smaller than one might have thought.

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Well I hope he is. Though there's really no evidence to support your conjecture either way.
Mario Williams, DeMeco Ryans, Eric Winston, Fred Bennit and also some of the savy FA (Wil Demps and Anthony Maddox) that have been brought in during the middle of the season. Rick Smith is a prime example of the evidence you say is not there to support the conjecture. It seems like you want to bash the owner about the past without looking at the present.

The 3 C's are gone get over it already.

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19. Tennessee Titans – Bud Adams: Adams, now in his mid-80s, has been less involved in league matters in recent years, and that’s not necessarily a bad thing.

LOL!

I did think he should have been ranked lower than 19th, but that's probably just my biased opinion!

Anyway, good to see McNair ranked so high. I'm so glad we have him instead of bud.
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you haven't seen anything from his decision making over the last three years that might suggest that he's making more successful decisions? are you being serious or are you messing with me? are you one of these guys that thinks the titans are still in houston? are you confusing him with bud? i don't understand your last statement at all.
Obviously the hires of Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak were good decisions. And, our subsequent success have also been very good. But, I don't want to see that success misattributed to Bob McNair when it belongs to Smith and Kubiak. Things are going good right now and McNair is apparently standing back and letting the professionals do their job. That is fantastic and I hope it stays that way.

I guess I probably should have worded my last comment differently. When I said there was no evidence either way, I probably should have said, things are going good right now, but there has been a precedent set that McNair will stick his nose in places that he shouldn't when he has an emotional attachment to a player/coach/GM. Just because things are going good right now and he is standing back doesn't mean they will stay like that.

I guess my point is that McNair has acted in unsavory ways in the past, and the current success is really due to Kubiak and Smith moreso than McNair. That's not to say he's a bad owner, or not learning from his mistakes, just that he's made bad decisions in the past and it's possible he does it again.

But, I hope, just as you do, that he has learned that his strengths do not lie in football personell and that practice is over for him.
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Bob McNair might be the consumate businessman, I don't know about that facet of the game. But I do know that Bob McNair is the guy that hired, and stuck with, Charlie Casserly and Dom Capers for four years. I know that he is the guy who stuck with David Carr for even longer and even made the hiring of the new coach contingent on his willingness to work with David Carr.

McNair might be exceptional on the business front of the organization, but he has his fair share of blame when it comes to the depths this team reached in 2005.
i couldnt agree more. he was responsible for the Carr debacle and for hiring Casserley. we can't forget that because both of those moves set the franchise back 5 years easy....

....that being said, at least he spends money on players and provides the team with first class facilities and amenities....

...oh and he gave us tailgating too....so he has done a lot of harm but he has done some good too.

he just needs to stay away from personnel decisions because his selection/coddling/extension of Carr really screwed things up big time even when anyone with half of a brain could see that Carr sucked the big one from the day he was selected.
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Obviously the hires of Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak were good decisions. And, our subsequent success have also been very good. But, I don't want to see that success misattributed to Bob McNair when it belongs to Smith and Kubiak. Things are going good right now and McNair is apparently standing back and letting the professionals do their job. That is fantastic and I hope it stays that way.

I guess I probably should have worded my last comment differently. When I said there was no evidence either way, I probably should have said, things are going good right now, but there has been a precedent set that McNair will stick his nose in places that he shouldn't when he has an emotional attachment to a player/coach/GM. Just because things are going good right now and he is standing back doesn't mean they will stay like that.

I guess my point is that McNair has acted in unsavory ways in the past, and the current success is really due to Kubiak and Smith moreso than McNair. That's not to say he's a bad owner, or not learning from his mistakes, just that he's made bad decisions in the past and it's possible he does it again.

But, I hope, just as you do, that he has learned that his strengths do not lie in football personell and that practice is over for him.
You can not have it both ways, if he is responsible for failures then he is also responsible for the success. You also say he sticks his nose where he should not, EXCUSE the hell of out him he OWNS the team and he has that right.

You blame him for sticking with the 3C's to long but that is because he let those stay to long. If he had not stuck his nose in they would still be here. Every owner will not be right 100% of the time but you act like he is Al Davis and constantly undermining his Coaches and or GM. His first hires went bad, we all lived through it and it was tough but he is not this moron you are making him out to be.
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Bob McNair might be the consumate businessman, I don't know about that facet of the game. But I do know that Bob McNair is the guy that hired, and stuck with, Charlie Casserly and Dom Capers for four years. I know that he is the guy who stuck with David Carr for even longer and even made the hiring of the new coach contingent on his willingness to work with David Carr.

McNair might be exceptional on the business front of the organization, but he has his fair share of blame when it comes to the depths this team reached in 2005.
there's no doubt the man was loyal to a fault, but if that's his weakness then what's the problem? he's new to this, CASS showed him how to run a football team, of course he was gonna have a hard time letting him go. CARR was the first face of the franchise, he invested more than just money into him, he had to have hated letting him go also.
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Bob McNair might be the consumate businessman, I don't know about that facet of the game. But I do know that Bob McNair is the guy that hired, and stuck with, Charlie Casserly and Dom Capers for four years. I know that he is the guy who stuck with David Carr for even longer and even made the hiring of the new coach contingent on his willingness to work with David Carr.

McNair might be exceptional on the business front of the organization, but he has his fair share of blame when it comes to the depths this team reached in 2005.
I don't think he's avoided taking any blame. I don't agree the he kept the 3 Cs too long. Well, yeah, hind sight says he did, but what did he have to go on at that time? In 2004 the team was 7-9 and it really looked like the team was ready to take that step. There were still many issues, of course, but the team seemed to be heading in the right direction. Year 4 was when the wheels fell off and we saw what a mess the coaching and front office was. Should McNair have fired Capers and Casserly between years 3 and 4 when the team seemed on the verge of a winning record and maybe a playoff berth?

Once the season got going and the team was so horrendous it was too late to do anything. He could have fired people during the season, but that rarely gets you anywhere. He wasn't going to get a top assistant from another team (Kubiak) to come in midseason. Yes, the team could have had an interim coach and then searched for a new one, but was there anyone on this staff that would have done better than Capers at that time? Once the season was done McNair made the right move. If he had given Capers another year I would say he made a mistake.

The same goes for Casserly. Firing him in mid season wouldn't help the team any. I would have liked to see him go in January and had Rick Smith earlier, but the 2005 draft has turned out ok for the team.

When McNair talked with coaching applicants it's pretty well documented that Carr was part of the discussion. The hypothesis is that one condition for getting the job was Carr was definitely the guy. Nobody except Kubiak and McNair will really know. Kubiak has not come out and said that he really didn't think Carr could do the job. I think he really thought he could get him straightened out. It's not like Carr never showed any flashes. He had moments. He has a tremendous arm. He is mobile. His worst flaw (in my opinion) is his decision making and that's why I and probably Kubiak as well thought things would be better.

McNair has made poor decisions, but I think he's been quick to correct the problems. I don't mind mistakes as long as they are addressed, fixed, and we move along. Maybe I'm too much of a homer.

Overall, I am happy that I have this city to call home. I am ecstatic to have the Texans to call my team. I have proud to have McNair and company as the foundation from which this organiztion is built.
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Carr never had a tremendous arm. yeah he could throw the ball hard and pretty accurately but his arm mechanics/arm trajectory are what got him into so much trouble in the pocket. that aint tremendous. he had to rely on rollouts and gaps in the pass rush and would normally just lock on one guy and if he couldnt get the ball out in 2 seconds he would just either dump the ball to the RB or do the Fresno Tuck.

oh and the guy was woefully inept at reading coverages and at understanding coverages and his own playbook. just an undedicated and unprofessional QB. as long as everyone in Houston kept making excuses for him, why did he have to try and get better. He was beyond reproach...after all he just wants to have fun.
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