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Old 12-16-2004   #1
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Why do we draft Gunslinging Quarter backs when all we can do is dump it off to DD or audible to DD. For a team to get lucky enough to get AJ is a miracle alone. But if you have him why can't you throw it to him at least once downfeild during a game. It just seems to me that we draft these QB's with records for passing But Dom continues to preach the Run and dump pass and punt. I keep hearing about there will be some changes but it is always the same ole same ole.
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Why do we draft Gunslinging Quarter backs when all we can do is dump it off to DD or audible to DD. For a team to get lucky enough to get AJ is a miracle alone. But if you have him why can't you throw it to him at least once downfeild during a game. It just seems to me that we draft these QB's with records for passing But Dom continues to preach the Run and dump pass and punt. I keep hearing about there will be some changes but it is always the same ole same ole.


Because he is Dom Capers and that is what he does.

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Because you are an ***** and will not give them time to progress. Didn't you watch the gunslinger throw an int on the 1st play a couple of times this year? Nice
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Asking Dom Capers to run a wide open offense is like asking Ricky Williams to run the DEA. That's one of my problems with him. He wants to run a smash mouth Pittsburgh style offense using a offense whose pieces more closely resemble the Vikings, at least in style if not substance. Fitting a round peg into a square hole often causes coaches their jobs.
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Because DC does not have TIME to throw it downfield. For example (Somebody can correct me if I am wrong on this) the 3rd and 2 play in the Indy game was designed to go deep to Andre in the middle of the field. I believe he was in the slot on the play. Two outside receivers ran go routes to attract the safeties and Andre went up the middle of the field...

3 receivers, max protect, but alas...

Carr can't pass from @***.


And of course the negative naysayer types with the 20 /20 hindsite want to know why he didn't run the ball but it appeared as if they were going for the big play. I can only imagine what would have been said had we run the ball and not made it

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Why don't some of you geniuses recognize the fact that until the offensive line starts doing their job, heaving the ball downfield into double coverage is just a wasted play?
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Asking Dom Capers to run a wide open offense is like asking Ricky Williams to run the DEA. That's one of my problems with him. He wants to run a smash mouth Pittsburgh style offense using a offense whose pieces more closely resemble the Vikings, at least in style if not substance. Fitting a round peg into a square hole often causes coaches their jobs.
Until the offensive line gives the WRs time to press the safeties in the Cover 2 defenses or is able to pick up blitzes, Carr will have to dump the ball down much of the time. At least sticking with the run keeps Carr safe, opens up the possibility of play action and an 8th defender in the box.

There are two coaching issues on this team:

1. OL coach. There's a lot of money and draft picks there and not much to show for it right now.

2. Chris Palmer- not because of his run-pass ratio, etc.. that receives all the complaints on this board... But, because his gameplanning seems very weak. For instance, I saw one chip or double team on Dwight Freeney in two complete games against Indianapolis. That's ridiculous!! If we had a healthy Boselli at LT, I'd still incorporate more than that.
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yes he did, but the o-line dont provide consistent protection for carr, and by that happening carr gets happy feet and dont know if the whole defense will be on his A$S or if he will have time to throw. But he needs more than 1.5 sec to make a deep throw and after that he is usually laying on his back !
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Until the offensive line gives the WRs time to press the safeties in the Cover 2 defenses or is able to pick up blitzes, Carr will have to dump the ball down much of the time. At least sticking with the run keeps Carr safe, opens up the possibility of play action and an 8th defender in the box.

There are two coaching issues on this team:

1. OL coach. There's a lot of money and draft picks there and not much to show for it right now.

2. Chris Palmer- not because of his run-pass ratio, etc.. that receives all the complaints on this board... But, because his gameplanning seems very weak. For instance, I saw one chip or double team on Dwight Freeney in two complete games against Indianapolis. That's ridiculous!! If we had a healthy Boselli at LT, I'd still incorporate more than that.

I tend to agree on both points. However, my point is that even if every spot on the line had an All-pro, he would run, or want to run a smash mouth, run first offense. That's his nature. Whether we like it or not, this oline, is anything but smash mouth. They are not a physical group at all, relying more on technique and brains. Not of those guys has a nasty streak. How many times has one of the olineman gone and just pancaked someone. All I am saying is that we need an offense suited to the personell. That means a finesse offense, using the short to intermediate passing game as the "ball control" offense, and chucking it down the field when Carr does have time - and as much as we malign the oline, their are times when he has the time, and he throws underneath to DD. AJ is the best player on this team. We need to maximaze his abilities, and dictate to the defense once in a while. This "taking what they give us approach" is good for about 14 points a game.
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Because he is Dom Capers and that is what he does.

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Why don't some of you geniuses recognize the fact that until the offensive line starts doing their job, heaving the ball downfield into double coverage is just a wasted play?


Thatís right itís always better to run the ball for 2 yard gains and let the other teams dictate how the game will be played.
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Until we can learn how to protect against a four man rush, you won't see very many big plays like that running or passing.
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Why don't some of you geniuses recognize the fact that until the offensive line starts doing their job, heaving the ball downfield into double coverage is just a wasted play?
...please advise (1) what has to be done from a player stand point and
(2) a coaching standpoint for this 'UNTIL' to be achieved so that we may
all enjoy the fruits of a successful OL and -thus- a winning team...and,
as a bonus, can you give us a time frame?
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Cupp you got to look at the bright side on this thinking because we are
in a win/win situation. First, if the Texans all of a sudden start winning
next year, that's great!!! Thats what we want...but if they don't win,
this board is going to light up with all those 'cup half/fullers' making our
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RHC I agree with your thinking.
My reply to Joe Texan was just a takeoff of his signature:

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...please advise (1) what has to be done from a player stand point and (2) a coaching standpoint for this 'UNTIL' to be achieved so that we may all enjoy the fruits of a successful OL and -thus- a winning team...
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Until we can learn how to protect against a four man rush, you won't see very many big plays like that running or passing.
This is not a problem that can be quick-fixed by firing someone. There is not quick solution. It's not a playcalling problem. It's not a coaching problem. It is at best, a lack of experience problem. At worst, it's lack of talent problem. Now, that is something you don't want to hear, and you don't want to accept. Because if you did, then you'd have to accept the fact that this problem cannot be solved overnight. Seth Wand needs more experience, and a LOT more time in the weight room before we can even tell if he's the man at LT. We need a new center . . . period. And we need a new right guard . . . period. Free agency has proven NOT to be the solution. Not to me at least. So that means the draft. And then after we draft them, then we have to give them time to get experience and play together as a cohesive unit.

For you ex-Oiler fans that were around during Mike Munchak, Bruce Matthews, Carl Mauck, Dean Steinkuhler days, you KNOW the value of a good offensive line.
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...and, as a bonus, can you give us a time frame?
A lot longer than you want, I guarantee you.
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This is not a problem that can be quick-fixed by firing someone. There is not quick solution. It's not a playcalling problem. It's not a coaching problem. It is at best, a lack of experience problem. At worst, it's lack of talent problem. Now, that is something you don't want to hear, and you don't want to accept. Because if you did, then you'd have to accept the fact that this problem cannot be solved overnight. Seth Wand needs more experience, and a LOT more time in the weight room before we can even tell if he's the man at LT. We need a new center . . . period. And we need a new right guard . . . period. Free agency has proven NOT to be the solution. Not to me at least. So that means the draft. And then after we draft them, then we have to give them time to get experience and play together as a cohesive unit.

For you ex-Oiler fans that were around during Mike Munchak, Bruce Matthews, Carl Mauck, Dean Steinkuhler days, you KNOW the value of a good offensive line.


A lot longer than you want, I guarantee you.
...problem is that I believe the avg playing life of an NFL player will exceed
the Texans ability to get ALL the RIGHT players in the RIGHT situations to
solve these problems before that expiration
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I'm not sure what to think about Palmer, but I have some questions about the whole Freeney and Seth Wand debacle. I'd like to know where was Moran Norris on those pass plays. Why wasn't he helping Wand? Was he acting as a receiver? Should he have been helping Wand, because it seems like they should have had him do that. It just seems to me that, at some point, they the coaches should have found a way to stop Freeney, because it was no surprise at all when he got that last sack, for instance.
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Most of the time I think we were running a single back set, so Moran wouldn't be in there. However, even when he was in there, I didn't see him tasked with getting the DE blocked. Most of the time in those situation he was the lead blocker up the middle. I did see once where Freeney went wide and Moran got on what I think was the MLB and DD got a nice run.
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Yeah, I wasn't trying to question Norris' effort, by the way. I also realized right after I finished that post that he might have been part of the run fake and then blocking up the middle. I just wonder if they would've been better off using him as help for Wand. Of course, they went to a 2 TE set at one point anyway, so I don't know. And, like you said, Norris wasn't on the field sometimes.
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