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Old 07-07-2008   #21
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don't matter how fast he is so long as moves the chains
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I am not sold on Walter. He has done nothing to make me confident that he will fulfill the #2 WR spot that Kubes has handed him.

That was basically what I posted prior to last season and I continued to cast doubts on this player and Kubes. I had my crow chicken fried (cause that's the sort of guy I am) and Walter has certainly earned his #2 spot and justifed Kube's opinion. Now I am trying to decide what player needs my help in denigrating his ability so he can become a sure fire starter.
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Walters probably reminds of McCaferty from Denver. Not bad, at that.
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40 times are nice straight line measurements for sure but there's a big reason 40 yard sprint guys don't make it as football players. Good hands, solid route running, ability to learn a playbook and making a contribution in the running game are what make guys overall good WRs.

Timed 40's are nice but fluff pieces compared to what guys do out on the field every play. We got at least 3 deep that combined have what it takes to make an elite WR corps. One more year for JJ and man....could be killer.
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Steve Largent thinks Walter is pretty fast..........
Funny thing that Walter has his two yards of separation when the ball arrives.
No doubt in a foot race J.J. wins....However, never under estimate the value of dependability to a HC. Lombardi cherished that. Shula, and so does Kubiak. Get worked up if ya wanna. Walter isn't going any where. The simple thing J.J. must do to pass him up for PT is, when he gets his hands on the ball, make plays. That's it. Make the most of your targets.

HC's hate loose canons. Until J.J. proves he can be trusted, he's a role player. When coaches tell you one thing, and you completely ignore it and do the exact opposite...getting yourself injured and hurting the team in the process, that's not the bond you want to be building as a young NFL receiver. You go off the reservation, you damn well better make the play.
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or maybe they could just hire some people who's job it would be to be able to tell the difference and relay that to the GM. we could call them "searchers" or "seekers" or "scouts" or something.
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HC's hate loose canons. Until J.J. proves he can be trusted, he's a role player. When coaches tell you one thing, and you completely ignore it and do the exact opposite...getting yourself injured and hurting the team in the process, that's not the bond you want to be building as a young NFL receiver. You go off the reservation, you damn well better make the play.
You have me completely lost, again. Jacoby was injured at the end of a 74-yard punt return. Isn't that making a play? What did the coaches tell Jones to do, call for a fair catch?
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You have me completely lost, again. Jacoby was injured at the end of a 74-yard punt return. Isn't that making a play? What did the coaches tell Jones to do, call for a fair catch?
They told him that if he gets tackled by the punter again, then he shouldn't come back to the bench at all. Just go straight to the stands.

For me, his problem was that he came back too early and he wasn't ready. His early fumbles in that Titan game really hurt but Kubes was trying to get him on track without realizing how injured the kid really was.

I'm hoping for a huge breakout year from him.
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They told him that if he gets tackled by the punter again, then he shouldn't come back to the bench at all. Just go straight to the stands.

For me, his problem was that he came back too early and he wasn't ready. His early fumbles in that Titan game really hurt but Kubes was trying to get him on track without realizing how injured the kid really was.

I'm hoping for a huge breakout year from him.
LOL! I reckon he was severely hazed by fellow teamates once the dust settled after that one.

I like the potential JJ has going for him, but IMO, he needs to bulk up a bit. By the looks of OTA photos he seems even skinnier this year than last. I think he could stand another 10 lbs without sacrificing much speed, if any.

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McGuffie's final 5 were Notre Dame, Michigan, USC, A&M, and Florida (the orange and blue hat).
At least we know white kids aren't being recruited at RB, especially by 'big schools'...
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You have me completely lost, again. Jacoby was injured at the end of a 74-yard punt return. Isn't that making a play? What did the coaches tell Jones to do, call for a fair catch?
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(5:26) 17-H.Smith punts 63 yards to HOU 8, Center-48-J.Snow. 12-J.Jones ran ob at IND 18 for 74 yards (17-H.Smith). (Punt hang time 3.8 seconds.) HOU's 12 Jones injured on the return and taken for x-rays.
No after 60 yards I except to see him save his body when the coaches told him specifically to avoid Smith in a one on one situation. He tired to muscle Smith on the side lines and it cost the team. Like I posted if you go off the reservation, better make the play. Remind me again Lucky How many more 74 yard returns did he have after that one ? How many explosive plays over twelve yards for the rest of the season ? He was a ghost after that play. He was hurt and the coaches were protecting that shoulder.
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No after 60 yards I except to see him save his body when the coaches told him specifically to avoid Smith in a one on one situation. He tired to muscle Smith on the side lines and it cost the team. Like I posted if you go off the reservation, better make the play. Remind me again Luck How many more 74 yard returns did he have after that one ? How many explosive plays over twelve yards for the rest of the season ? He was a ghost after that play. He was hurt and the coaches were protecting that shoulder.
Dude! It was the punter. Who's going to shy away from a punter to avoid getting hurt? I suspect you wanted him to run OB instead of trying to run through the punter??

This is football! IMO, if you can't handle receiving or laying the wood you shouldn't be playing the game. Sure, there are times it's best to bail out of bounds......but against a punter??

Were you a P-Buch fan?
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Dude! It was the punter. Who's going to shy away from a punter to avoid getting hurt? I suspect you wanted him to run OB instead of trying to run through the punter??

This is football! IMO, if you can't handle receiving or laying the wood you shouldn't be playing the game. Sure, there are times it's best to bail out of bounds......but against a punter??
In this case though, you are talking about a punter who is pretty decent size. In fact, the same size as Jacoby. Both are listed at about 6'-2" and about 210 lbs....
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No after 60 yards I except to see him save his body when the coaches told him specifically to avoid Smith in a one on one situation.
Really?

Really?

Would you mind drawing me another map?
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nope you're too lost. The quote is on these boards do your own gd leg work.
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Dude! It was the punter. Who's going to shy away from a punter to avoid getting hurt? I suspect you wanted him to run OB instead of trying to run through the punter??

This is football! IMO, if you can't handle receiving or laying the wood you shouldn't be playing the game. Sure, there are times it's best to bail out of bounds......but against a punter??

Were you a P-Buch fan?

I'd also add in that it wasn't a form tackle by any means and I wouldn't expect that from a punter. From what I remember Smith kind of rode him out of bounds on that shoulder.

Really unfortunate because the kid looked special in pre-season. From everything I've gotten kid seems like he'll bounce back in a big way.
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In this case though, you are talking about a punter who is pretty decent size. In fact, the same size as Jacoby. Both are listed at about 6'-2" and about 210 lbs....
Dude! It's still an unwritten man-law to never shy away from a punter.

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I'd also add in that it wasn't a form tackle by any means and I wouldn't expect that from a punter. From what I remember Smith kind of rode him out of bounds on that shoulder.

Really unfortunate because the kid looked special in pre-season. From everything I've gotten kid seems like he'll bounce back in a big way.
I'm hoping he's back to form too, but like I stated somewhere else his current body frame still looks to be vulnerable.
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J.J. was pretty cocky before that incident happened. Afterward, like the man said, he was just a ghost of his former cocky self. If he hasn't bulked up in the weight room, we will have more of the same the first time he takes a solid hit. Might as well find out early in TC.
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That's a weird site. What are they implying? That white college football coaches are discriminating against white athletes? Seriously?
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The site is pretty much a racially motivated site and the motivation is that there are not enough white guys on the field. I posted it as a joke since the person I was replying to was making a jab at people who call white receivers "possession receivers"

EDIT: for threetoedpete: wtf?

Go ahead, you can draw me a map this time. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that nobody told JJ to avoid a punter on a punt return.

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