Bears Game Easy? Nope, More Cover 2 - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

**TEXANS84** · 12-14-2004

From this mornings Chronicle:

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Bad news, Texans fans: There could be more of the same Sunday in Chicago when the Texans play the Bears, whose coach, Lovie Smith, is a Dungy disciple. The Bears are a bit more aggressive than the Colts, but the Texans can expect to see some form of the Cover 2. So it's back to the drawing board, and tight end Billy Miller said the Texans can start by not beating themselves.

Hopefully the Texans can figure out some way to breakdown the Cover 2, otherwise we may be in for a long day again.

Side note: Brian Urlacher underwent an MRI today...no word yet.

wags · 12-14-2004

Urlacher probably won't play.

I think Lovie runs the Tampa Cover 2 because he used to be the linebackers coach there.

pek281 · 12-14-2004

Ugh, I didn't like reading that this morning either.

Their O-Line is really banged up though. It would be nice to see our front four get a legitimate rush on the QB.

Hervoyel · 12-14-2004

Good. More Cover 2 is a good thing. I hope every team we play for the next three years runs it and runs it well.

There you go David, figure it out OR BE DESTROYED!

Seriously though he's got to learn how to beat it sooner or later.

WWJD · 12-14-2004

Look at it this way. If the Cowboys can beat the Bears the Texans certainly can. So they should. One more week to prepare for this cover 2 mess and Chad Hutchison at QB?? We should win by at least a TD.

**Vinny** · 12-14-2004

Passing Defense - Passing Yards/Game
Team G Att Att/G Cmp Pct Yds Yds/G TDs Int Sck SckYds
Tampa Bay 13 355 27.3 198 55.8 2125 163.5 15 15 37 220
Miami 13 362 27.8 203 56.1 2151 165.5 15 9 32 190
Buffalo 13 409 31.5 224 54.8 2293 176.4 18 17 38 270
Washington 13 394 30.3 224 56.9 2293 176.4 12 13 30 190
Pittsburgh 13 399 30.7 219 54.9 2305 177.3 12 16 38 207
New York (N) 13 375 28.8 230 61.3 2331 179.3 23 10 31 206
Baltimore 13 410 31.5 225 54.9 2404 184.9 10 17 36 248
New York (A) 13 393 30.2 217 55.2 2435 187.3 14 16 29 182
Denver 13 407 31.3 226 55.5 2439 187.6 12 10 28 197
Cleveland 13 383 29.5 232 60.6 2552 196.3 14 15 23 148
Arizona 13 411 31.6 228 55.5 2560 196.9 17 11 29 164
Chicago 13 430 33.1 243 56.5 2649 203.8 19 16 31 151
Philadelphia 13 467 35.9 282 60.4 2685 206.5 13 15 42 229
St. Louis 13 399 30.7 241 60.4 2685 206.5 20 6 25 180
Cincinnati 13 399 30.7 248 62.2 2688 206.8 21 16 30 201
Jacksonville 13 395 30.4 248 62.8 2759 212.2 15 8 29 175
New England 13 438 33.7 253 57.8 2805 215.8 15 18 37 267
Tennessee 13 412 31.7 258 62.6 2815 216.5 20 15 28 192
Detroit 13 432 33.2 265 61.3 2822 217.1 24 13 31 179
San Francisco 13 393 30.2 244 62.1 2831 217.8 22 8 26 183
Atlanta 13 431 33.2 271 62.9 2833 217.9 14 15 36 247
Carolina 13 420 32.3 248 59.0 2855 219.6 12 22 25 154
Seattle 13 473 36.4 281 59.4 2967 228.2 16 20 29 172
Oakland 13 376 28.9 228 60.6 2975 228.8 24 6 17 132
Minnesota 13 431 33.2 266 61.7 2987 229.8 23 7 33 201
Dallas 13 411 31.6 253 61.6 3027 232.8 26 8 28 166
Green Bay 13 446 34.3 269 60.3 3127 240.5 28 7 30 214
Indianapolis 13 456 35.1 307 67.3 3178
Houston 13 445 34.2 297 66.7 3208 246.8 31 17 18 118
San Diego 13 482 37.1 301 62.4 3215 247.3 16 17 24 116
New Orleans 13 432 33.2 270 62.5 3326 255.8 21 10 27 156
Kansas City 13 413 31.8 253 61.3 3515 270.4 27 9 32 197

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NF...1=8&_1:col_1=7

**TEXANS84** · 12-14-2004

Well, the Cowboys and Jags can beat the Bears.....but the Bears also beat the Vikings and the Packers.
Also factor this in from the NOAA weather center:

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Sunday: A chance of flurries. Cloudy and breezy, with a high around 32.

So, this will be interesting.

**infantrycak** · 12-14-2004

True Vinny, as far as those stats go, but a lot of the yards on Indy are desparation yards because they have taken teams out of the game plan. Chicago on the other hand is only averaging 15.3 pts per game. This team is the opposite of the Colts (cover 2 aside) reasonably strong D (weakened by the loss of Urlacher)--17th on yards (336.5ypg), 12th on scoring (19.8ppg) and passing (203.8) and 24th on rushing (132.8)--with a horrible O--31st in the league for yards (241.4 ypg), scoring (15.3 ppg), passing (138.6) and 23rd on rushing (102.8).

As an aside, the Bears have given up 5 sacks each of the last 2 weeks. Time for the OLB's to step up.

**TEXANS84** · 12-14-2004

Thanks for finding that Vinny....I was looking for that.

Its pretty sad that we have allowed 600 more passing yards than the Bears, and over a 1000 more than the leauge leading Bucs.

**Vinny** · 12-14-2004

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Originally Posted by infantrycak

True Vinny, as far as those stats go, but a lot of the yards on Indy are desparation yards because they have taken teams out of the game plan. Chicago on the other hand is only averaging 15.3 pts per game. This team is the opposite of the Colts (cover 2 aside)--reasonably strong D (weakened by the loss of Urlacher) with a horrible O--31st in the league for yards (241.4 ypg), scoring (15.3 ppg), passing (138.6) and 23rd on rushing (102.8).

As an aside, the Bears have given up 5 sacks each of the last 2 weeks. Time for the OLB's to step up.

I see Davis having a big day while the Bears keep a safety over Johnson and we throw our obligatory ONE TD pass 2 INT's and get possibly one rushing TD. We are one of the worst road teams in the NFL. The most we scored on the road this year is 24 points but we had a defensive score in that game.

Marcus · 12-14-2004

Here's my take on why the Cover 2 is such a pain in the *****.

Basically, (as if I knew what I'm talking about) the Cover 2 puts the 2 safeties in deep zones on both sides of the field, essentially double covering both outside receivers, while dropping back a linebacker or another DB to cover the middle. So you'd think that by sending a TE or another WR over the middle, you'd get isolation one on one.

But the problem, and the reason that the Cover 2 so very effective against the Texans offense, is that the opposing teams are successful in getting pressure on Carr using only a 4-man rush. They don't ever need to blitz. They don't ever need to rush 5. The 4 down linemen get the job done. Not ONLY that, but past games have shown that it takes Davis and an extra TE to help the OL give Carr enough Carr time to throw.

So that leaves what? 3 people running out for a pass against 7 people in coverage. Yeah, that'll work. All freakin day long.

So, when you talk about Carr "not figuring out" the Cover 2, I think it would help if some people gave him a little time to "figure it out".

Capers said on his radio show on Monday night that the downfield passing game was "not our strength right now", and commented more than once about containing the 4 man rush.

So when you watch the Bears game on Sunday, if the Bears 4-man front harrasses Carr without any help, it will be another long day.

**Chance_C** · 12-14-2004

If our line can give Carr time to unload the ball, AJ can beat the double coverage. How about (and I know this has been hashed and rehashed) bringing Miller in with Bruener in a two tight end set. Miller can get open against most LB's. I just hope Carr is given enough time this Sunday to bust the cover 2.

the wonger need food · 12-14-2004

Completing passes against a Cover 2 defense might as well be trying to figure out the space-time continuum for this coaching staff.

Hervoyel · 12-14-2004

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Originally Posted by the wonger need food

Completing passes against a Cover 2 defense might as well be trying to figure out the space-time continuum for this coaching staff.

You misspelled "quarterback".

AndreJ · 12-14-2004

You all may think this is really stupid, but something just dawned on me. When teams play cover 2 Davis has better games and when they dont they commit to the run and Carr/AJ have big games. If we could figure out how to do both no matter what defense the teams are running i think our offense will be set.

Excuse me stupidity but i just realized that.

**Vinny** · 12-14-2004

Fiddy only has 2000 posts on this.

Texas_Heat · 12-14-2004

Chicago has won six straight December home games at Soldier Field dating back to 2000.

12-14-2004

I can't understand for the life of me why we don't run motions to overload one side, this helps in creating confusion in the cover 2 and if they remain in a zone one side is of the field has more recievers open. Can anyone explain to me why we are not motioning? Why we are not using the TE's? Why we never run the fullback?

Porky · 12-14-2004

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Originally Posted by SESupergenius

I can't understand for the life of me why we don't run motions to overload one side, this helps in creating confusion in the cover 2 and if they remain in a zone one side is of the field has more recievers open. Can anyone explain to me why we are not motioning? Why we are not using the TE's? Why we never run the fullback?

All good questions with no answers. Although I think it might have something to do with the space-time continuum.

**Lucky** · 12-14-2004

I'll take a stab at the Supergenius' questions:

1) I don't know why the Texans don't include more motion from the wideouts. The only reason I can think of is that you want to keep a CB on the edge if it's a run play so he can't help out. Really, I got nothing.

2) Bruener can't catch & Miller can't uncover anymore. The bulking up of Miller has been a mistake.

3) Moran Norris & Jarrod Baxter are terrible runners. Now if the Texans picked up a more versatile FB (and I think they should), this would be a more appropriate question

12-14-2004	#2
wags Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: TX and FL Age: 34 Posts: 1,601 Rep Power: 22	Urlacher probably won't play. I think Lovie runs the Tampa Cover 2 because he used to be the linebackers coach there. __________________ A good argument is always spoiled by someone who knows what they're talking about

12-14-2004	#6
Vinny shiny happy fan Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 49 Posts: 20,714 Rep Power: 55750	Passing Defense - Passing Yards/Game Team G Att Att/G Cmp Pct Yds Yds/G TDs Int Sck SckYds Tampa Bay 13 355 27.3 198 55.8 2125 163.5 15 15 37 220 Miami 13 362 27.8 203 56.1 2151 165.5 15 9 32 190 Buffalo 13 409 31.5 224 54.8 2293 176.4 18 17 38 270 Washington 13 394 30.3 224 56.9 2293 176.4 12 13 30 190 Pittsburgh 13 399 30.7 219 54.9 2305 177.3 12 16 38 207 New York (N) 13 375 28.8 230 61.3 2331 179.3 23 10 31 206 Baltimore 13 410 31.5 225 54.9 2404 184.9 10 17 36 248 New York (A) 13 393 30.2 217 55.2 2435 187.3 14 16 29 182 Denver 13 407 31.3 226 55.5 2439 187.6 12 10 28 197 Cleveland 13 383 29.5 232 60.6 2552 196.3 14 15 23 148 Arizona 13 411 31.6 228 55.5 2560 196.9 17 11 29 164 Chicago 13 430 33.1 243 56.5 2649 203.8 19 16 31 151 Philadelphia 13 467 35.9 282 60.4 2685 206.5 13 15 42 229 St. Louis 13 399 30.7 241 60.4 2685 206.5 20 6 25 180 Cincinnati 13 399 30.7 248 62.2 2688 206.8 21 16 30 201 Jacksonville 13 395 30.4 248 62.8 2759 212.2 15 8 29 175 New England 13 438 33.7 253 57.8 2805 215.8 15 18 37 267 Tennessee 13 412 31.7 258 62.6 2815 216.5 20 15 28 192 Detroit 13 432 33.2 265 61.3 2822 217.1 24 13 31 179 San Francisco 13 393 30.2 244 62.1 2831 217.8 22 8 26 183 Atlanta 13 431 33.2 271 62.9 2833 217.9 14 15 36 247 Carolina 13 420 32.3 248 59.0 2855 219.6 12 22 25 154 Seattle 13 473 36.4 281 59.4 2967 228.2 16 20 29 172 Oakland 13 376 28.9 228 60.6 2975 228.8 24 6 17 132 Minnesota 13 431 33.2 266 61.7 2987 229.8 23 7 33 201 Dallas 13 411 31.6 253 61.6 3027 232.8 26 8 28 166 Green Bay 13 446 34.3 269 60.3 3127 240.5 28 7 30 214 Indianapolis 13 456 35.1 307 67.3 3178 Houston 13 445 34.2 297 66.7 3208 246.8 31 17 18 118 San Diego 13 482 37.1 301 62.4 3215 247.3 16 17 24 116 New Orleans 13 432 33.2 270 62.5 3326 255.8 21 10 27 156 Kansas City 13 413 31.8 253 61.3 3515 270.4 27 9 32 197 http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NF...1=8&_1:col_1=7 __________________ http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk "A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow

12-14-2004	#8
infantrycak Lead Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 45 Posts: 37,489 Rep Power: 76601	True Vinny, as far as those stats go, but a lot of the yards on Indy are desparation yards because they have taken teams out of the game plan. Chicago on the other hand is only averaging 15.3 pts per game. This team is the opposite of the Colts (cover 2 aside) reasonably strong D (weakened by the loss of Urlacher)--17th on yards (336.5ypg), 12th on scoring (19.8ppg) and passing (203.8) and 24th on rushing (132.8)--with a horrible O--31st in the league for yards (241.4 ypg), scoring (15.3 ppg), passing (138.6) and 23rd on rushing (102.8). As an aside, the Bears have given up 5 sacks each of the last 2 weeks. Time for the OLB's to step up. __________________ The Art of War

12-14-2004	#11
Marcus Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Stafford, Texas Age: 59 Posts: 6,780 Rep Power: 19134	Here's my take on why the Cover 2 is such a pain in the ****. Basically, (as if I knew what I'm talking about) the Cover 2 puts the 2 safeties in deep zones on both sides of the field, essentially double covering both outside receivers, while dropping back a linebacker or another DB to cover the middle. So you'd think that by sending a TE or another WR over the middle, you'd get isolation one on one. But the problem, and the reason that the Cover 2 so very effective against the Texans offense, is that the opposing teams are successful in getting pressure on Carr using only a 4-man rush. They don't ever need to blitz. They don't ever need to rush 5. The 4 down linemen get the job done. Not ONLY that, but past games have shown that it takes Davis and an extra TE to help the OL give Carr enough Carr time to throw. So that leaves what? 3 people running out for a pass against 7 people in coverage. Yeah, that'll work. All freakin day long. So, when you talk about Carr "not figuring out" the Cover 2, I think it would help if some people gave him a little time to "figure it out". Capers said on his radio show on Monday night that the downfield passing game was "not our strength right now", and commented more than once about containing the 4 man rush. So when you watch the Bears game on Sunday, if the Bears 4-man front harrasses Carr without any help, it will be another long day. Last edited by Marcus; 12-14-2004 at 02:40 PM.*

12-14-2004	#12
Chance_C Site Contributor Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Livingston Texas Age: 42 Posts: 1,463 Rep Power: 2039	If our line can give Carr time to unload the ball, AJ can beat the double coverage. How about (and I know this has been hashed and rehashed) bringing Miller in with Bruener in a two tight end set. Miller can get open against most LB's. I just hope Carr is given enough time this Sunday to bust the cover 2. __________________ I'm a hell bent 100% Texan till I die...

12-14-2004	#3
pek281 Rookie Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston Age: 47 Posts: 61 Rep Power: 16	Ugh, I didn't like reading that this morning either. Their O-Line is really banged up though. It would be nice to see our front four get a legitimate rush on the QB.

12-14-2004	#4
Hervoyel The Right Track Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 12,880 Rep Power: 58565	Good. More Cover 2 is a good thing. I hope every team we play for the next three years runs it and runs it well. There you go David, figure it out OR BE DESTROYED! Seriously though he's got to learn how to beat it sooner or later.

12-14-2004	#5
WWJD Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,260 Rep Power: 374	Look at it this way. If the Cowboys can beat the Bears the Texans certainly can. So they should. One more week to prepare for this cover 2 mess and Chad Hutchison at QB?? We should win by at least a TD.

12-14-2004	#9
TEXANS84 Moderator Join Date: May 2004 Location: The Woodlands, TX Age: 35 Posts: 7,447 Rep Power: 3116	Thanks for finding that Vinny....I was looking for that. Its pretty sad that we have allowed 600 more passing yards than the Bears, and over a 1000 more than the leauge leading Bucs.

12-14-2004	#13
the wonger need food Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston Age: 43 Posts: 2,534 Rep Power: 1085	Completing passes against a Cover 2 defense might as well be trying to figure out the space-time continuum for this coaching staff.

12-14-2004	#15
AndreJ All Pro Join Date: Nov 2004 Age: 25 Posts: 934 Rep Power: 9	You all may think this is really stupid, but something just dawned on me. When teams play cover 2 Davis has better games and when they dont they commit to the run and Carr/AJ have big games. If we could figure out how to do both no matter what defense the teams are running i think our offense will be set. Excuse me stupidity but i just realized that. __________________ "Get ya hands off me!!!"-DROB

12-14-2004	#16
Vinny shiny happy fan Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 49 Posts: 20,714 Rep Power: 55750	Fiddy only has 2000 posts on this. __________________ http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk "A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow

12-14-2004	#17
Texas_Heat Veteran Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: IN TEXAN HELL Posts: 377 Rep Power: 0	Chicago has won six straight December home games at Soldier Field dating back to 2000.

12-14-2004	#18
SESupergenius Guest Posts: n/a	I can't understand for the life of me why we don't run motions to overload one side, this helps in creating confusion in the cover 2 and if they remain in a zone one side is of the field has more recievers open. Can anyone explain to me why we are not motioning? Why we are not using the TE's? Why we never run the fullback?

12-14-2004	#20
Lucky Moderator Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 11,987 Rep Power: 37235	I'll take a stab at the Supergenius' questions: 1) I don't know why the Texans don't include more motion from the wideouts. The only reason I can think of is that you want to keep a CB on the edge if it's a run play so he can't help out. Really, I got nothing. 2) Bruener can't catch & Miller can't uncover anymore. The bulking up of Miller has been a mistake. 3) Moran Norris & Jarrod Baxter are terrible runners. Now if the Texans picked up a more versatile FB (and I think they should), this would be a more appropriate question __________________ I will shoot bottles at night cause I got glow in the dark bottles and they look awesome when they explode. - Joe Texan

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