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Will Smith was given a 6 year extension that could be worth up to 70 million with 26 million guaranteed.

Last year they gave Charles Grant a 6 year extension worth 63 million dollars.

I cant think of any team who can match the price tag on those bookends. They're probably gonna need to renegotiate a certain slotback's deal to be able to pay these guys...
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That's a lot of cabbage tied up in DEs. They had better play well or it will be major shot in the shorts for the Saints.
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the cap is just a myth nowadays....owners need to wake up or be left behind
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the cap is just a myth nowadays....owners need to wake up or be left behind
I don't think you realize how much $$$ the owners are bringing in. Each team gets over $115 million/year from the TV contracts. That doesn't even count the money they get from Direct TV or the ads from their own NFL Network. That pretty much covers players salaries. And we're not even talking about the gate, merchandise, sponsorships, naming rights, etc.

It's good to be a NFL owner.
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Will Smith was given a 6 year extension that could be worth up to 70 million with 26 million guaranteed.

Last year they gave Charles Grant a 6 year extension worth 63 million dollars.

I cant think of any team who can match the price tag on those bookends. They're probably gonna need to renegotiate a certain slotback's deal to be able to pay these guys...


I thought he was good enough to play all the positions on the squad.

Maybe he'd be more productive at DE?
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I don't think you realize how much $$$ the owners are bringing in. Each team gets over $115 million/year from the TV contracts. That doesn't even count the money they get from Direct TV or the ads from their own NFL Network. That pretty much covers players salaries. And we're not even talking about the gate, merchandise, sponsorships, naming rights, etc.

It's good to be a NFL owner.
that is my point. the money is there and with an impending capfree year and subsequently after a new CBA is ironed out the salary cap rules will be reset or there may not be any salary cap at all. any owner that just sits back and watches other teams attract talent will be left in the dust. just put huge amounts of your cap hits in the cap-free year. raiders, jets, and cowboys have all gone down that road this offseason already and it looks like the Saints are getting on board as well.

Maybe it may be time to talk extension for Mario and reneg that deal to have a huge balloon in 2009. Maybe the same with all our top guys. If it takes a little agent palm greasing, so be it. If it helps improve the product with an extra 15 million annually why not pull the trigger. That is only about 5-6% of their revenue and when you spend that extra money on your product, it generally generates buzz and public interest which only increases the gross revenue. With McNair's involvement in the oil game, its safe to say that guy is making money hand over fist away from football as well. Shoot for the moon and your more likely to fly.
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From what I understand the cap free year isn't a done deal. The whole idea of it being there is to motivate the teams to deal.

To go out and spend up in the hope it comes to pass is a big risk and could cause huge issues if they get a new CBA sorted out.
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With McNair's involvement in the oil game, its safe to say that guy is making money hand over fist away from football as well. Shoot for the moon and your more likely to fly.
McNair made his fortune in Cogeneration, one example of which is a way to make electricity from wasted heat such as that given off by a turbine. I don't know if has any direct stake in the oil industry.

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From what I understand the cap free year isn't a done deal. The whole idea of it being there is to motivate the teams to deal.

To go out and spend up in the hope it comes to pass is a big risk and could cause huge issues if they get a new CBA sorted out.
You are absolutely correct. That is a huge risk, with catastrophic results if it doesn't come to pass.
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that is my point. the money is there and with an impending capfree year and subsequently after a new CBA is ironed out the salary cap rules will be reset or there may not be any salary cap at all.
I don't believe the NFL is going to an uncapped year. There are multiple reasons the owners opted out (unanimously) of the CBA. One group of owners (Ralph Wilson, Mike Brown, etc.) want more revenue sharing from the high revenue teams with the big luxury boxes. Their stadiums are paid for, and they want a lockout (or threat of a lockout) to gain leverage on the teams that need the big gate. Another group of owners don't mind the high salaries, but want the flexibility to cut the bad apples without affecting their bottom line. And yet another group of owners want to abate the escalating cost of high 1st round draft picks. Everyone wants something, just not the same thing.

The players want to continue to get paid at a high level (around 60% of revenues), get more guaranteed money, and keep free agency viable. There's enough money and wiggle room for every one of these factions to get some of what they want. It just has to be negotiated. Until then, we'll hear a lot of bitching and moaning from everybody. In the end, they'll reach a deal and keep playing. This goose will continue to lay the golden eggs.
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I don't believe the NFL is going to an uncapped year. There are multiple reasons the owners opted out (unanimously) of the CBA. One group of owners (Ralph Wilson, Mike Brown, etc.) want more revenue sharing from the high revenue teams with the big luxury boxes. Their stadiums are paid for, and they want a lockout (or threat of a lockout) to gain leverage on the teams that need the big gate. Another group of owners don't mind the high salaries, but want the flexibility to cut the bad apples without affecting their bottom line. And yet another group of owners want to abate the escalating cost of high 1st round draft picks. Everyone wants something, just not the same thing.

The players want to continue to get paid at a high level (around 60% of revenues), get more guaranteed money, and keep free agency viable. There's enough money and wiggle room for every one of these factions to get some of what they want. It just has to be negotiated. Until then, we'll hear a lot of bitching and moaning from everybody. In the end, they'll reach a deal and keep playing. This goose will continue to lay the golden eggs.

Exactly. As far as this so-called cap free year that SH keeps repeating, it is not for another two years and between now and then a deal can be reach and guess what no cap free year. There is no way players want a cap free year cause all it will do is have owners sign players for that one year, they would rather have long term concratcs with high signing bonus' so they can have more security. Cause if it is a high bonus then it is spread out over the length of the contract and the player does not get cut.
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Smith is a probowl DE, he is worth it. Also, the deal is not for 70 million over 6 years, its actually closer to 60 million for 7 years



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Exactly. As far as this so-called cap free year that SH keeps repeating, it is not for another two years and between now and then a deal can be reach and guess what no cap free year. There is no way players want a cap free year cause all it will do is have owners sign players for that one year, they would rather have long term concratcs with high signing bonus' so they can have more security. Cause if it is a high bonus then it is spread out over the length of the contract and the player does not get cut.
the only way there wont be an uncapped 2010 is if they reach an extension to the existing collective bargaining agreement which the owners have already opted out of. there will be a new CBA and essentially any new cap/FA/franchise rules will begin in 2011 after the 2010 cap-free year.

Upshaw already told the owners that if they opted out of the deal, the NFLPA won't play with a cap in 2010. It's pretty much a given and all signs point to a new CBA to begin in 2011 in order to prevent a work stoppage. the players arent going to give up their leverage and now that teams are starting to sign/re-sign/extend players based on an uncapped 2010, it only decreases the chances that the owners will resurrect the current deal.

I am not asking for the Texans to go out and sign overpaid FAs and just load all the money to the 2010 year. What I am promoting is that they resign the guys they want to keep now before its too late. Read this article for some information on how things should shake out with some examples on potential winners and losers. I just want to keep our core intact and not get caught with our pants down or have to overpay to retain players on an open cap-free market.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...ohn&id=3415387
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And nobody has mentioned Charles Grant getting indicted on manslaughter charges?.

COME ON MAN.

Also, I don't think the owners will go to an uncapped year in 2010. I can only think of like 2 or 3 owners who would be down with that, and I can think of a lot of penny pincher owners who wouldn't be. They have a year or more to work out a deal before it comes to that.
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the only way there wont be an uncapped 2010 is if they reach an extension to the existing collective bargaining agreement which the owners have already opted out of. there will be a new CBA and essentially any new cap/FA/franchise rules will begin in 2011 after the 2010 cap-free year.

Upshaw already told the owners that if they opted out of the deal, the NFLPA won't play with a cap in 2010. It's pretty much a given and all signs point to a new CBA to begin in 2011 in order to prevent a work stoppage. the players arent going to give up their leverage and now that teams are starting to sign/re-sign/extend players based on an uncapped 2010, it only decreases the chances that the owners will resurrect the current deal.

I am not asking for the Texans to go out and sign overpaid FAs and just load all the money to the 2010 year. What I am promoting is that they resign the guys they want to keep now before its too late. Read this article for some information on how things should shake out with some examples on potential winners and losers. I just want to keep our core intact and not get caught with our pants down or have to overpay to retain players on an open cap-free market.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...ohn&id=3415387
Quick question for you SH - Why would the owners vote unanimously to terminate an existing agreement if the result was going to be far higher player salaries than if that agreement had stayed in place?
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I am not asking for the Texans to go out and sign overpaid FAs and just load all the money to the 2010 year. What I am promoting is that they resign the guys they want to keep now before its too late.
Mario is signed through 2011. So the uncapped year won't affect his status. Schaub is signed through 2012, Andre Johnson thru 2014. So, a lot of the core Texans are locked up.

DeMeco, Winston, and Daniels become RFA's after the 2009 season. They will have to be addressed, uncapped year, or not. Actually, an uncapped year would work in the Texans favor, as these players wouldn't become UFAs after the 2010 season. Unsigned players without six years in the league would be RFAs.

An uncapped year in 2010 really isn't an issue for the Texans. And just because Gene Upshaw says it's a certainty doesn't make it so. Many players are upset or disenchanted with the work Upshaw has done as head of the union, and he could be out on his can by the time the next contract is negotiated. And as Clayton mentioned in his article, there are negatives for both players and teams in an uncapped year. One aspect he didn't bring up with an uncapped year is the lack of a salary floor. Don't think teams like the Bills, Bengals, and Cardinals wouldn't take advantage of that and stuff an extra $20 million in their pockets.

Odds still are that a new CBA will be hammered out by 2010. There's no doomsday scenario, no reason to panic, and no rush to lock up any player. Unless it makes sense to do so under the current cap system.
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I don't think you realize how much $$$ the owners are bringing in. Each team gets over $115 million/year from the TV contracts. That doesn't even count the money they get from Direct TV or the ads from their own NFL Network. That pretty much covers players salaries. And we're not even talking about the gate, merchandise, sponsorships, naming rights, etc.

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Mario is signed through 2011. So the uncapped year won't affect his status. Schaub is signed through 2012, Andre Johnson thru 2014. So, a lot of the core Texans are locked up.

DeMeco, Winston, and Daniels become RFA's after the 2009 season. They will have to be addressed, uncapped year, or not. Actually, an uncapped year would work in the Texans favor, as these players wouldn't become UFAs after the 2010 season. Unsigned players without six years in the league would be RFAs.

An uncapped year in 2010 really isn't an issue for the Texans. And just because Gene Upshaw says it's a certainty doesn't make it so. Many players are upset or disenchanted with the work Upshaw has done as head of the union, and he could be out on his can by the time the next contract is negotiated. And as Clayton mentioned in his article, there are negatives for both players and teams in an uncapped year. One aspect he didn't bring up with an uncapped year is the lack of a salary floor. Don't think teams like the Bills, Bengals, and Cardinals wouldn't take advantage of that and stuff an extra $20 million in their pockets.

Odds still are that a new CBA will be hammered out by 2010. There's no doomsday scenario, no reason to panic, and no rush to lock up any player. Unless it makes sense to do so under the current cap system.
Good post & I am glad I read down before putting my .02. McNair has argued against this CBA for long time. I doubt if he and Buffalo's Wilson are buddies. From a players standpoint, many think they are great enough to get the really big contract. Your fringe guys and end of career guys who should be hoping cap stays and also you first 12 or so drafted each year. The latter is a big reason for the owner push.
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