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Old 06-10-2008   #121
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So you're assuming Colvin, at 250, will come into to play backup DE? I couldn't disagree more. First of all you are asking him to play a position he's never played. If he comes, he will most certainly play Linebacker. You can wish he played DE like an edge rushing LB all day long, doesn't mean its gonna happen. I cannot emphasize enough that he hasn't played in the 4-3 in six years, and even then he played LB. He didn't play DE in college or the pros. Please show me the press clipping, web page, quote box, or whatever that says Colvin is coming here to be a backup DE. They want him to come in and add that pass rushing ability from the LB spot - just like he did with the Pats and the Bears.

I don't doubt that he still has skills, but he failed NE's physical and was released. He's been courted for near two months by the Colts but still hasn't settled on a deal. If all he wanted was to play for a contender, he'd be back home in Indy. He wants a payday. That's why he's shopping himself. Look - he's coming off a foot injury that shelved him for the second half of last season. You think he still has that speed he had when he was in his heyday? Naw bro. He's had both a hip injury and a foot injury that caused him to miss significant time in his career. He's damaged goods. I don't want to see the Texans take that kind of risk on a 31 year old player - not for the money he's looking for. He was due over 5 mil from the Pats, I'm pretty sure he would like to see something in that ball park.

As far as the LBs with speed - All three that I mentioned have that in spades. All three are athletic enough to rush the passer if given the opportunity. All they need is their number to be called. They won't get that experience playing behind Colvin. I'd rather take my chances and mold a young player, rather than take an old dog and try to teach him a whole bag of new tricks.

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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5819819.html

[quote]Moved to linebacker after playing defensive end in college, but lined up at rush end in passing situations.[/QUOTE]

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So you're assuming Colvin, at 250, will come into to play backup DE? I couldn't disagree more. First of all you are asking him to play a position he's never played.

I don't doubt that he still has skills, but he failed NE's physical and was released. He's been courted for near two months by the Colts but still hasn't settled on a deal. If all he wanted was to play for a contender, he'd be back home in Indy. He wants a payday. That's why he's shopping himself. Look - he's coming off a foot injury that shelved him for the second half of last season. You think he still has that speed he had when he was in his heyday? Naw bro. He's had both a hip injury and a foot injury that caused him to miss significant time in his career. He's damaged goods. I don't want to see the Texans take that kind of risk on a 31 year old player - not for the money he's looking for. He was due over 5 mil from the Pats, I'm pretty sure he would like to see something in that ball park.
It is nice that you think I am assuming anything while that is all you have done. Look at the quotes above, I did not assume anything I was going by information I had.

Failed a physical? Maybe I missed it but please provide me with a link to where he failed a physical, because in the NFL if you are under contract and you fail a pysical you can't be released without an injury settlement. Just like the Texans did with that Center they jst recently released. That is also why Shaun Alexander took a physical before he was released by the Seahawks. It is in the collective bargining agreement. You talk about his injuries and say he is damaged goods, you do understand that before any contract talks began he did have a complete physical do you not?

Oh and bro as far as his speed that he had in his heyday, I am sure the coaches gave him those test during the physical to see what he had left as well. You act like our GM and HC are stupid and who just sign Colvin to this multi year billion dollar contract. As far as Colvin looking for more money than he is being offered, most likely. Most vets do, but as you can tell by him not being signed yet the team has a certain money area they are offerring and they are not budging from that. So it is up to Colvin to either accept or decline, you throw it out there like the team will cave and give Colvin all this money when they are clearly not.
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Further to my question mentioned above, should NE physical was conducted I believe a few months ago, he may be OK now to perform at least from our's or Colts' judgement from physical point of view? Or, are we still missing something? Or, NE know something that we can't find from our physical checking procedure?

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Failed a physical? Maybe I missed it but please provide me with a link to where he failed a physical, because in the NFL if you are under contract and you fail a pysical you can't be released without an injury settlement.
There's been a whole bunch of talk about Colvin failing a physical, but I don't think there's a shred of credible evidence that it happened. The primary reason that Colvin was cut was due to a base salary for '08 of $5.5 Million, and a cap savings of $5.8 Million that resulted from letting him go. This also goes a long way towards answering the question of why Larry Izzo was kept when Colvin was let go. I don't know what Izzo's base salary is for '08, but in '07 it was less than $1 Million.

Oh, and I can't tell you how much I am looking forward to the day where we sign a 30-plus year old player who's had an injury or two (which is virtually every 30-plus player) who makes a positive impact for us. Maybe then folks will stop assuming the Ahman Green signing is an indicator of every veteran signing we'll ever make.
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I heard that he failed his physical in New England too. BUT, after searching the net for any solid information, I came up empty. Everything I came across was based on reports or speculation. They were all similar to this article. Notice the word "reportedly".

Any body else have any luck? It appears to me as if the Pats used it as an excuse to cut his 5.5 million.

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It is nice that you think I am assuming anything while that is all you have done. Look at the quotes above, I did not assume anything I was going by information I had.

Failed a physical? Maybe I missed it but please provide me with a link to where he failed a physical, because in the NFL if you are under contract and you fail a pysical you can't be released without an injury settlement. Just like the Texans did with that Center they jst recently released. That is also why Shaun Alexander took a physical before he was released by the Seahawks. It is in the collective bargining agreement. You talk about his injuries and say he is damaged goods, you do understand that before any contract talks began he did have a complete physical do you not?

Oh and bro as far as his speed that he had in his heyday, I am sure the coaches gave him those test during the physical to see what he had left as well. You act like our GM and HC are stupid and who just sign Colvin to this multi year billion dollar contract. As far as Colvin looking for more money than he is being offered, most likely. Most vets do, but as you can tell by him not being signed yet the team has a certain money area they are offerring and they are not budging from that. So it is up to Colvin to either accept or decline, you throw it out there like the team will cave and give Colvin all this money when they are clearly not.
Whoa, put them flames out bud. I was mistaken about Colvin's position in college. Hold up... here's one of a few articles that had me believing he was a OLB in college:

http://www.purdueexponent.org/interf...domdraft<br />

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Not to mention that he was listed as a OLB in the 1999 draft:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_NFL_Draft

As far as his being released after failing a physical, that's what I read at several sites. Here's a couple:
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...8/transfeb.htm
http://usc.scout.com/a.z?s=15&p=2&c=732540

Here's some further substantiation from USA Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...exans/home.htm
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Now as far as thinking the brain trust of the Texans are stupid, come on man, I never said/implied that. I have the utmost faith in those two, along with their outstanding team of assistants. In Smithiak we trust, que no?

My point wasn't to question Smith/Kubiak, it was to say that we can't afford to give this guy what he wants. If you don't want to hear about Ahman Green, then how bout Tony Boselli? He was another 30 year old player that never contributed. Don't forget, he passed his exit/entry physicals too. Look, after back to back seasons with 17 players on the IR, we can ill afford to take a chance on another guy who has seen his fair share of time in the rehab room.

If he becomes a Texan, so be it. I'll cheer the mofo on louder than anyone, I'm just saying that I'm not a fan of the move if it plays out the way I think it will.
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Colvin is a tweener so debating whether he is a rush end at de or a OLB used as an edge rusher is kinda moot.....he's a pretty good edge rusher who can play in space as an olb. He's a dynamic player...if healthy.
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Shoulda kept Jason Babin and his cheap contract!

That said, and not being a fan of this possible move, I would still be OK if they decide to go with Colvin.

I happen to think that we have a good shot at the playoffs, so if we have money, go for the best FA you think is available.

Now knowing that Spicer is a client of Rosenhaus, I'm not counting on him to be available.
And I'm not a huge fan of Hayward after seeing him huffing and puffing at times last year.
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comparing Babin to Colvin is like comparing Antwaan Peek to Jason Taylor. It doesn't matter how cheap the contract is if the player sucks.
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comparing Babin to Colvin is like comparing Antwaan Peek to Jason Taylor. It doesn't matter how cheap the contract is if the player sucks.
No comparison.

Only that one guy has always been healthy, while the other one ... NOT!

And to have a pass rushing specialist, that's all we should pay.

To land a guy like Taylor, is a different matter.
I'll go for it straight away!
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My understanding is Colvin had foot injury last season but should be no issue this year. He was cut as said prior posts due to $. If SMith signs him it should be for a reasonable package. I have seen nothing that indicates he is being looked at as a LB, rather a DE to help Mario. Like Vinny said, dynamic player. If healthy he could play both positions.
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No comparison.

Only that one guy has always been healthy, while the other one ... NOT!

And to have a pass rushing specialist, that's all we should pay.

To land a guy like Taylor, is a different matter.
I'll go for it straight away!
Since Babin has been in the league, Colvin has missed five regular season games due to injury and Babin has missed the exact same number. Colvin missed all five of those games in 2007 (Meaning he played all 16 games in '04, '05, and '06). In 2007 Babin missed 14 games due to being inactive. Seems like a pretty cut and dry issue to me.
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My bad about the injury issue.
I just hate to see a sequel of Ahman Green with older guys, that's all.
I'm not opposed to the acquisition, only the money, and also I'd like for us to reserve the roster spot for a young player to develop.
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My bad about the injury issue.
I just hate to see a sequel of Ahman Green with older guys, that's all.
I'm not opposed to the acquisition, only the money, and also I'd like for us to reserve the roster spot for a young player to develop.
The thing that Smith and Kubiak look like they're doing a good job of is limiting the length of time that a bad contract can hurt you. If you look at the Green deal, it's essentially a two year deal, and while that seems like forever when you're living thru and injury plagued year (or two?), it's relatively short in the overall scheme of things. The Jacques Reeves contract was kind of eye-popping when it was first announced (relative to his perceived skill-level), but again, I think it's pretty cap friendly if a couple of years down the road they decide they need to jettison him. It's even more cap-friendly if they don't.

I've developed enough trust for the FO that I believe if they can't do something cap-sensible, they won't do it.
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The thing that Smith and Kubiak look like they're doing a good job of is limiting the length of time that a bad contract can hurt you. If you look at the Green deal, it's essentially a two year deal, and while that seems like forever when you're living thru and injury plagued year (or two?), it's relatively short in the overall scheme of things. The Jacques Reeves contract was kind of eye-popping when it was first announced (relative to his perceived skill-level), but again, I think it's pretty cap friendly if a couple of years down the road they decide they need to jettison him. It's even more cap-friendly if they don't.

I've developed enough trust for the FO that I believe if they can't do something cap-sensible, they won't do it.
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The Texans need a pass rusher opposite Mario Williams. We all agree on that.

I don't think we have that pass rusher on the roster right now.

Colvin is a proven pass rusher, someone who can do so out of a three-point stance.

All we need out of Colvin is a year or two, so we can find and develop someone else to take his place.
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The Texans need a pass rusher opposite Mario Williams. We all agree on that.

I don't think we have that pass rusher on the roster right now.

Colvin is a proven pass rusher, someone who can do so out of a three-point stance.

All we need out of Colvin is a year or two, so we can find and develop someone else to take his place.
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god, training camp can't get here soon enough!
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[quote=BornOrange;935458]The Texans need a pass rusher opposite Mario Williams. We all agree on that.

I don't think we have that pass rusher on the roster right now.

Colvin is a proven pass rusher, someone who can do so out of a three-point stance.

All we need out of Colvin is a year or two, so we can find and develop someone else to take his place.[/QUOTE]

Uh, any idea who? I do not see anyone on team for future. If you are talking about future players through draft or FA, I agree. Not to get ahead of myself but the next draft should wrap up most of our weaker areas if the last two work out as expected. Even if not, I see a DE, FS, OLB and perhaps a CB or LT depending on how those 2 spots are filled this season. We should have a very strong team going into 2009.
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