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Old 06-05-2008   #21
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The Texans made it clear after their 8-8 finish that they would search in the offseason to improve their pass rush. Wednesday, they showed that quest is still under way. Former New England Patriots linebacker Rosevelt Colvin visited Reliant Stadium, taking a physical in the morning and then speaking with general manager Rick Smith and some of the coaches. Colvin (6-3, 250 pounds) has 52.5 sacks in nine NFL seasons.
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I dunno why we couldn't use a measly 6th or 7th round pick on someone who might help us at a real need position ?
The obvious answer is the Texans didn't think there was anyone that might help at DE. They may be proven wrong, but that was their call on draft day.

It's a long offseason, and it's not close to over. A pass rusher opposite Mario is still a need. And I doubt that Rick Smith will sit on his hands. I'm thinking he'll find one before the start of the regular season, by either FA signing or trade.

Here's a list a list of DEs/Pass Rushers the Texans could have taken in the 6th and/or 7th rounds:

Christopher Harrington - Texas A&M - Arizona
Robert Henderson - S. Mississippi - NY Giants
Andrew Studebaker - Wheaton - Philadelphia
Ervin Baldwin - Michigan State - Chicago
Brian Johnston - Gardner-Webb - Kansas City
Hilee Taylor - North Carolina - Carolina
Alex Hall - St. Augustine's - Cleveland
Rob Jackson - Kansas State - Washington
Angelo Craig - Cincinnati - Cincinnati

If one of these guys (or a UDFA) becomes a quality pass rusher, you've got a point. Unless Barber or Brink turn out to be studs. I would be surprised if half of these guys make opening day rosters. I know there were a lot of fans of Brian Johnston on draft day. But other than maybe an all-star game, who has seen him play? He had the benefit of internet scout hype, but the NFL wasn't buying it. I saw Angelo Craig in the Hula Bowl, and thought he looked great. He was 8 picks from becoming Mr. Irrelevant. I think at this point, you have to trust what the Texans are seeing, or not seeing, in these players.
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Agreed! Additionally, what are the odds of actually getting a pass rushing DE on the second day that is better than what we currently have? I know, I know, there have been in the past, but come on!

WE GOT BRINK!! What else do people want??
Minnesota will offer their 2009 2nd round pick for Brink.
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I'm really a bit confused why the Texans didn't take a player in the Draft
in the late rounds who had some upside to be the edge-rusher we need across from Mario in passing situations ? And especially after we made the trade in the first round to get another third round pick and then get an OLT, CB, and RB with their first 3 picks. Apparently they just saw nothing that interested them for any of their remaining picks ?
sure, if you think the guy you are looking at isn't an upgrade to the guy you already have....well, draft other players in other positions of need if you think you may find a possible upgrade.
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C'mon there Dale, dang give me a break here OK ? Do you honestly think that Duane Brown was a pick based on BPA instead of a pure need pick ? Of course not. So if need was the top priorty assigned to this years first round pick, don't you honestly think they could have taken a shot at an edge rusher (which they need badly to match with Mario in passing-situations) in their last 2 picks ? And we've got safetys up the wazoo, the pick I really question more than Brink when one considers how many safety prospects we already have on the team ?
Just look at what our division rival the Jags did at DE: used their first 2 picks at the position including a second-rounder for a specialists in passing situations (Quenton Groves). I dunno why we couldn't use a measly 6th or 7th round pick on someone who might help us at a real need position?
You saw the teams draft board? WOW! cool, who did they rate as the number 13 overrall player on the board? (pulled a number out my ass, seems to be the theme)

It has been reported over and over again, that SD was going to take him if we did not and also reports of Seattle very much interrested in him. So I guess they would just be reaching as well. Especially SD who just needs a lot of depth and would take BPA.

To be this upset over a 6th and 7th round pick is funny beyond it is more like falling out of my chair and

Just by your rants it is like to hell with the rest of the team you wanted them to draft a DE in the first round be damn about anything thing else other wise you would not be happy. The Lions think that is dumb.
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If we enter next season and DE is our biggest concern, I will be VERY happy. Before DE I would put CB,OLB,RB,OL still. We have 3 capable pass rushers in Mario, Cochran and Kalu. I don't think we are as concerned about adding another one unless its a bargain. Look next year for the draft. The exciting thing though, is that we are getting to the point that we're starting to look at minor problems as major.FINALLY....

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If we enter next season and DE is our biggest concern, I will be VERY happy. Before DE I would put CB,OLB,RB,OL still. We have 3 capable pass rushers in Mario, Cochran and Kalu. I don't think we are as concerned about adding another one unless its a bargain. Look next year for the draft. The exciting thing though, is that we are getting to the point that we're starting to look at minor problems as major.FINALLY....

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To me, the most worrisome spot is at CB, just my opinion!

Adibi and Moffit will solidify our LB corp.

In case Diles doesn't work out, Adibi can play the strong side. And Moffit can be a good back up in the middle.

Bentley and Thompson should be good spot players.

Myers will be solid at Center.
If he keeps improving, he will become the best we ever had.
He and Brown are good fit for the ZBS.
Winston is good enough at RT, and look like he can improve further.
We have plenty of guards.

Even if Green goes down again, I believe Brown and Slaton will be good enough.
And if we keep either and/or Walker/Taylor, we have the insurance.
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The Z report

http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/texansnfl/

When you hear that the WRs are doing good, you tend to worry about your Defensive backfield.
Molden sounds like he continues to imrove.

And the words are good on Duane Brown, just as I thought.
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It has been reported over and over again, that SD was going to take him if we did not and also reports of Seattle very much interrested in him. So I guess they would just be reaching as well. Especially SD who just needs a lot of depth and would take BPA.
I don't have a problem with our pick of Brown in the first round, and I believe the story about the Bolts interest in him and their willingness to also take him in the first round. That doesn't mean he's not a need pick and not a reach for both teams with either of their respective first rounders. I think most teams pay a lot more lip service to the BPA concept than we realize and draft more on their own needs than many are willing to admit, even all the way deep into the first round. The position of OLT is also so important that teams routinely pay more of a premium for players there than almost any position except QB. And I would say all the same sort of things about promising edge-rushers.
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That doesn't mean he's not a need pick and not a reach for both teams with either of their respective first rounders. I think most teams pay a lot more lip service to the BPA concept than we realize and draft more on their own needs than many are willing to admit, even all the way deep into the first round.
Well, who was the best player availabe at #26? Who did the Texans reach past to select Duane Brown? The general thinking prior to the draft was that the 1st round was about 15 players deep, then the next 30 players could go anywhere from mid 1st to mid 2nd. I just don't see a player on the board at #26 that was a no-brainer pick.

Back to DEs, Colvin passed his physical at Reliant Park. It sounds like he's looking for a multi-year deal.

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A number of teams have expressed interest in Colvin, including the Jets and the Browns.

"If someone is committed to me, I'm going to be committed to them," he said. "At this point in my career, I want someone to commit to me."

Colvin would clearly prefer a deal that is longer than a year. He has a wife and four children, and he said he doesn't want to be bouncing around from city to city at this stage.
I can see the Browns looking to add depth at the 3-4 OLB. Maybe the Jets. But, I can't see either team offering a multi-year deal. And I don't see Rick Smith negotiating against himself. The Texans may let Colvin keep looking while they continue to eye the waiver wire for a vet pass rusher.
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I don't have a problem with our pick of Brown in the first round, and I believe the story about the Bolts interest in him and their willingness to also take him in the first round. That doesn't mean he's not a need pick and not a reach for both teams with either of their respective first rounders. I think most teams pay a lot more lip service to the BPA concept than we realize and draft more on their own needs than many are willing to admit, even all the way deep into the first round. The position of OLT is also so important that teams routinely pay more of a premium for players there than almost any position except QB. And I would say all the same sort of things about promising edge-rushers.
Possibly, but there's BPA and BPA that fits your scheme. Internet scouts had Cherilous and Otah rated higher than Brown, but neither of those guys would have fit at LT in the Texans' scheme. Would they have been better choices just because they wouldn't have been "reaches"? How much value/how many slots should you add for a player who fits versus one who doesn't and is thus, useless? Drafting philosphies have also been evolving - e.g., fewer teams seem to be willing to take a QB high with such a high bust potential. There are always CBs who jump up into the 1st round because of their combine numbers. DRC for one. Why not LTs? Obviously athleticism has become more of a valued commodity at the position.
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I don't have a problem with our pick of Brown in the first round, and I believe the story about the Bolts interest in him and their willingness to also take him in the first round. That doesn't mean he's not a need pick and not a reach for both teams with either of their respective first rounders. I think most teams pay a lot more lip service to the BPA concept than we realize and draft more on their own needs than many are willing to admit, even all the way deep into the first round. The position of OLT is also so important that teams routinely pay more of a premium for players there than almost any position except QB. And I would say all the same sort of things about promising edge-rushers.
Reach or not....you saw what the going rate is for a top end QB the last two drafts. They got their chips on Okoye making a jump this year. If he brings eight to the table, that will make it a wash whether you're getting your push from DT or DE. Wanna argue the DE is more important than piling on another sixteen games onto Salaam's thirty four year old legs....be my guest.
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very true.
Add Amobi to that list too.

Here's to Mario having double-digit sacks again!
Well, took awhile for David "Deacon" Jones to get on line. When he did, @ the top of his game, he posted 24 one year. And followed that up the next season by posting 26. Just because no one has done it in a long time doesn't mean it can not be done. 2*16= 32. Not saying it will happen. But if he avoids the injury bug it's mathematically possible.
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Well, took awhile for David "Deacon" Jones to get on line. When he did, @ the top of his game, he posted 24 one year. And followed that up the next season by posting 26. Just because no one has done it in a long time doesn't mean it can not be done. 2*16= 32. Not saying it will happen. But if he avoids the injury bug it's mathematically possible.
I thought the sacks stat was not counted when Deacon Jones played?
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I thought the sacks stat was not counted when Deacon Jones played?
You are correct. But after going through the game tape, people saw how many he got. It was a ridiculous amount.
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You are correct. But after going through the game tape, people saw how many he got. It was a ridiculous amount.
Understandable. I didn't know he got 24 in one season and then 26 the next.
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Well, took awhile for David "Deacon" Jones to get on line. When he did, @ the top of his game, he posted 24 one year. And followed that up the next season by posting 26. Just because no one has done it in a long time doesn't mean it can not be done. 2*16= 32. Not saying it will happen. But if he avoids the injury bug it's mathematically possible.

THIS ARTICLE gives somewhat different numbers for "Deac", but may historically be worth reading and interesting to those wishing to compare the all time NFL greats in SACKs.
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THIS ARTICLE gives somewhat different numbers for "Deac", but may historically be worth reading and interesting to those wishing to compare the all time NFL greats in SACKs.
The Deacon will always be my all-time favorite DL
They just don't make 'em like him any more.
Many thanks for the read.
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