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Old 06-03-2008   #1
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OK guys I am starting to worry a little bit because the Texans haven't addressed the DE situation opposite super Mario!!!!! Do you guys feel the A. Weaver will get the job done or will they trade or bring in a free agent after some high profile guys are cut? I wouldn't mind making a pitch for DE-Jason Taylor depends on how he really is going to play.
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OK guys I am starting to worry a little bit because the Texans haven't addressed the DE situation opposite super Mario!!!!! Do you guys feel the A. Weaver will get the job done or will they trade or bring in a free agent after some high profile guys are cut? I wouldn't mind making a pitch for DE-Jason Taylor depends on how he really is going to play.
it sucks, but i dont think JT wants to come to Houston. There are worse destinations, no doubt, but he wants to go to an established winner. Also, if he only wants to play one more year, I really wouldnt be willing to give up much more than a 4th Rounder at best. I would trade Weaver for Taylor though....Parcells may actually bite on that. Weaver is young and does fit his 3-4 scheme pretty well.
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We can't be perfect, otherwise we wouldn't need a draft.

I think Williams, Amobi, and Okam are going to be good enough to pick up Weavers slack. Lets also not forget that both ND and Cochran looked good as situational pass rushers.

I think we will be OK.
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I'm really a bit confused why the Texans didn't take a player in the Draft
in the late rounds who had some upside to be the edge-rusher we need across from Mario in passing situations ? And especially after we made the trade in the first round to get another third round pick and then get an OLT, CB, and RB with their first 3 picks. Apparently they just saw nothing that interested them for any of their remaining picks ?
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Amobi, and Okam are going to be good enough to pick up Weavers slack. Lets also not forget that both ND and Cochran looked good as situational pass rushers.
Also Thompson, i remember reading that a strong point of his was his ability to blitz.
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The FO is confident that Weaver will have a far bigger impact this year than last.

They are always banging on about how Weaver is healthy now, is training etc... I say he will be a good 2 down DE and then we can use Kalu, Cocharan, Thompson or whoever as a specialist when needed.

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The FO is confident that Weaver will have a far bigger impact this year than last.

They are always banging on about how Weaver is healthy now, is training etc... I say he will be a good 2 down DE and then we can use Kalu, Cocharan, Thompson or whoever as a specialist when needed.

I'm happy at the moment, you don't build Rome in a day.
I think that is a pretty reasonable take. Nothing to be too concerned about.....................yet.
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I think that If a healthy Weaver can even be slightly above average, the line that we have, Mario, Okoye, TJ, Okam, Weaver, Kalu and co can be a very good line this year.

There is a lot of talent and investment on the D Line and I really hope this year comes together for them and they play the way that they need to for the defense to operate as intended.
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I'm really a bit confused why the Texans didn't take a player in the Draft
in the late rounds who had some upside to be the edge-rusher we need across from Mario in passing situations ? And especially after we made the trade in the first round to get another third round pick and then get an OLT, CB, and RB with their first 3 picks. Apparently they just saw nothing that interested them for any of their remaining picks ?
Sweet Jeebus, we filled almost SIX holes in this draft and people are whining that we couldn't find a specialist. I'm getting annoyed. I only picked this post cause it was the last in a long line. There are only so many holes/positions that can be filled.

Not only that, I trust the front office to make correct decisions, probably why I make movies and am not a GM. If they didn't draft a pass rusher in the late rounds, I bet there was a good @#$%^!#$ reason why they didn't.

Mkay, enough ranting about second guessing.
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I'm not a big fan of Weaver's on field production since he was signed here but it looks at least he's going to have one last shot to tangibly produce this year.

I think we'll be scouring the June 1st cuts for someone like Lucky has mentioned. I still wouldn't mind us taking a look at Tommy Blake and don't see how it could possibly hurt us to bring a guy with that kind of potential.
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Weaver made his rep more on run stopping, not pass rushing. Last year he didn't even do that well agains the run IIRC. Cochran and ND are fine but I think they are both stopgap types. I will be watching to see how Thompson does in a 3 point stance.
They are saying in the comical today that the Texans would like to bring Rosevelt Colvin in for a look see. He had 8 1/2 sacks in 2006, however last year he supposedly had a foot injury. Anyway seems the Pats have cut him. I don't know how he would affect the salary cap though..
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It looks to me that often times, the Texans use Weaver as containment and let other guys on the line and/or the LBs be the agressors.

I don't know how much they ask him to charge past the LOS.
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Sweet Jeebus, we filled almost SIX holes in this draft and people are whining that we couldn't find a specialist. I'm getting annoyed. I only picked this post cause it was the last in a long line. There are only so many holes/positions that can be filled.

Not only that, I trust the front office to make correct decisions, probably why I make movies and am not a GM. If they didn't draft a pass rusher in the late rounds, I bet there was a good @#$%^!#$ reason why they didn't.

Mkay, enough ranting about second guessing.
We filled 3 of our 4 biggest needs with our first 3 picks, but then failed to
fill the the fourth and 1 remaining biggest need with any of the last 4 picks.
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We filled 3 of our 4 biggest needs with our first 3 picks, but then failed to
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So your saying outside LB and a space eating DT were not a need for the team? Geez I need to go back and read all the predraft stuff because I could have sworn they were.
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So your saying outside LB and a space eating DT were not a need for the team? Geez I need to go back and read all the predraft stuff because I could have sworn they were.
Agreed! Additionally, what are the odds of actually getting a pass rushing DE on the second day that is better than what we currently have? I know, I know, there have been in the past, but come on!

WE GOT BRINK!! What else do people want??
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Agreed! Additionally, what are the odds of actually getting a pass rushing DE on the second day that is better than what we currently have? I know, I know, there have been in the past, but come on!

WE GOT BRINK!! What else do people want??
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At least, they signed Jesse Nading from CSU.

There were a few other UDFAs with possibilities like Johnny Dingle WVa (I like him), Darrell Robertson Ga Tech or Chase Ortiz TCU.
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There were a few other UDFAs with possibilities like Johnny Dingle WVa....
Sounds like a screen name for an adult movie actor....
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They didn't like the talent pool at DE. We needed OT, CB, RB, LB, DT and filled all those positions. To complain that something didn't get filled when there were that many holes is pretty ridiculous. As far as the Barber and Brink picks, they simply had those guys rated well ahead of any DE at those spots. If we end up with too much strength at Safety or QB, I for one won't be complaining.
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As far as the Barber and Brink picks, they simply had those guys rated well ahead of any DE at those spots. If we end up with too much strength at Safety or QB, I for one won't be complaining.
C'mon there Dale, dang give me a break here OK ? Do you honestly think that Duane Brown was a pick based on BPA instead of a pure need pick ? Of course not. So if need was the top priorty assigned to this years first round pick, don't you honestly think they could have taken a shot at an edge rusher (which they need badly to match with Mario in passing-situations) in their last 2 picks ? And we've got safetys up the wazoo, the pick I really question more than Brink when one considers how many safety prospects we already have on the team ?
Just look at what our division rival the Jags did at DE: used their first 2 picks at the position including a second-rounder for a specialists in passing situations (Quenton Groves). I dunno why we couldn't use a measly 6th or 7th round pick on someone who might help us at a real need position ?
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