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Old 06-06-2008   #81
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T.J.'s health may make the decision.
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If any player played like we hoped they could we'd have a team full of pro-bowlers.

Could care less about who's boy is who...Kubiak will play the best players...He's proven that...

I seriously doubt Okam outplays T.J. in his first year as a pro, if ever....The potential is definitely there, but the strange itching desire that some have to get rid of TJ is clouding judgement on both players...Building Okam up better than he'll probably be in his first year, and not giving TJ his due....

I like Okam and think he'll be great for our team....

I just don't see him taking a whole lotta snaps away from anyone...Especially not this year...
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No way is Okam starting over TJ.

You guys may as well get that outta yer heads.
Probably, but if he makes the active roster, he'll be replacing TJ or Okoye on short yardage downs. That, I promise.
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Probably, but if he makes the active roster, he'll be replacing TJ or Okoye on short yardage downs. That, I promise.
He'll make the active roster...And he'll get his snaps....

I don't know what they're going to do on short yardage....They left Amobi in there on several occasions last year...

I really think Okam is just going to be another body in the rotation next year...I don't see him having any specialized roles pertaining to short yardage situations until he's proven that he can actually be counted on to do that on a consistent basis on this level...

Right now all you have is a big, strong, athletic guy with lots of potential...

He's still a rookie, and he's still lacking technique and experience...

I definitely think he's good enough to be in the rotation, but I don't see him right of the back being "that" go to guy when we need to not give up an inch...
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And there's no way Okam is taking TJ's spot...LOL @ that..

I know folks have this dislike for TJ or whatever, but if you remove the guy from our DT rotation they'd be a pretty sad bunch....He's the best DT on the team right now...iiwii....
TJ is a three technique playing in a two technique spot. Okam is the real deal as a two tech tackle and needs to start ahead of TJ, and TJ is not better than Amobi.

But, TJ is good depth and valuable to our rotation.
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No way is Okam starting over TJ.

You guys may as well get that outta yer heads.
Why not? What does TJ bring to the table that makes this defense better? Nothing. He is not a run stopper and he is not a pass rusher. In fact he was in danger of getting cut last year before camp.

TJ is good depth and thats all.
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Some players can't lose weight no matter how hard they try.
Others can't gain weight no matter how hard they try.
Okam is showing us that he has a legitimate weight range of at least 20lbs. If he can maintain the weight that the coaches think he'll play best at, I'm all for making adjustments.
At least he's already used to playing in our Texas heat. I'm about a sandwich and a half shy of Okam's weight, and the heat absolutely kills me...
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T.J.'s health may make the decision.
This certainly seems likely as TJ is currently having pelvic problems. I hope he gets better soon. Whether or not he is replaced by Okam, the competition will make both of them better.

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TJ is a three technique playing in a two technique spot. Okam is the real deal as a two tech tackle and needs to start ahead of TJ, and TJ is not better than Amobi.

But, TJ is good depth and valuable to our rotation.
This is absolutely true with respect to TJ having to play out of position. I hope that Okam does improve enough during training camp to allow him to play most of the 2-Technique snaps while Okoye takes most of the 3-Technique snaps and TJ takes most of the rest of the snaps at those 2 positions as a quality player in the rotation. If the Texans had another big body DT then they could rotate Okam and him at the 2 Technique and Okoye and TJ would only rotate at the 3 Technique position.

On a slightly different note I'm not really fond of the idea of moving Weaver inside to the 3 Technique on obvious passing downs if it means removing Okoye from the field. I feel like Okoye gives the Texans a much better rush from the inside than does Weaver. I'm fine with moving Weaver out of the LDE spot during those downs to make room for a pass rush specialist. I just think he should be moved to the bench not to Okoye's spot, unless okoye needs a breather.
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No.

Because he's not going to be better than him.
This post is pretty much based on nothing but your opinion, but you state it as though it is fact. It is not sir.

I agree with Texanred that TJ is playing out of position in the 2 Tech spot because he was drafted as an "undertackle" which is vaguely like a warren sapp type of interior defensive lineman. Well now Okoye pretty much has that spot sewn up, and had it sewn up ever since he was a rookie, which says something about TJ to me.

He's been lazy, unmotivated, and close to being cut at times throughout his short career as a Texan, and that's as a 1st round pick. He's also played with emotion and fire, and actually looked like he was improving into becoming a "Starting lineup" type player in his 3rd year. And now he's got pelvis problems. I don't think Okam is just going to up and take his spot at NT as a rookie, but I bet TJ will be on the field less thisyear than he was last year. You can almost count on it now that Okam is getting all of his reps.
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Okam is showing us that he has a legitimate weight range of at least 20lbs. If he can maintain the weight that the coaches think he'll play best at, I'm all for making adjustments.
At least he's already used to playing in our Texas heat. I'm about a sandwich and a half shy of Okam's weight, and the heat absolutely kills me...
What is Travis Johnson's cap # ? TJ might just get caught up in a numbers move.

If Smithiack is happy with Okam's weight, then I'm happy with it. Team's will have a choice of running into the wall on the left or the beasties to the right on first and second downs.

What I'm thinking here is TJ has value as a young 3-4 DE. That is what he was drafted for. Do a sign and trade and salvage an '09 pick.
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TJ will be there, as will Okam. If this works the way I hope it does, each will spell the other, and the run defense will improve 10 fold.
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This post is pretty much based on nothing but your opinion, but you state it as though it is fact. It is not sir.

I agree with Texanred that TJ is playing out of position in the 2 Tech spot because he was drafted as an "undertackle" which is vaguely like a warren sapp type of interior defensive lineman. Well now Okoye pretty much has that spot sewn up, and had it sewn up ever since he was a rookie, which says something about TJ to me.
He's been lazy, unmotivated, and close to being cut at times throughout his short career as a Texan, and that's as a 1st round pick. He's also played with emotion and fire, and actually looked like he was improving into becoming a "Starting lineup" type player in his 3rd year. And now he's got pelvis problems. I don't think Okam is just going to up and take his spot at NT as a rookie, but I bet TJ will be on the field less thisyear than he was last year. You can almost count on it now that Okam is getting all of his reps.

Just message board gossip.

Enough people parrot it and first thing you know its becomes fact.


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Just message board gossip.

Enough people parrot it and first thing you know its becomes fact.


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At ESPN, that's called "In depth analysis".
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Just message board gossip.

Enough people parrot it and first thing you know its becomes fact.


Here's proof that you don't know what you're talking about

For people who don't want to click the link, I'll just give the headline to the story:

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Lotta guys gonna be dissapointed when Okam doesn't up root TJ...

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Yes this is opinion.

Amobi's gonna have to step his game up to get to TJ's level...I think he will...

Just sayin...If Amobi wasn't better than Travis last year, why would Okam come in and be better than either....Again...This is opinion...
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Amobi's gonna have to step his game up to get to TJ's level...I think he will...

Just sayin...If Amobi wasn't better than Travis last year, why would Okam come in and be better than either....Again...This is opinion...
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Hey, I heard that if we say something on this message board enough it will become truth.

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We're gonna win the Super Bowl this year!!!
Mario Williams will be the next LT/Deacon Jones/Bruce Smith/Reggie White.

He will have approximately 495.5 sacks in his career.
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We're gonna win the Super Bowl this year!!!

Peyton Manning will shock everyone and retire before the season. He's simply burned out. The Colts will replace him with David Carr, who they believe have the talent to take them to another Superbowl.
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Peyton Manning will shock everyone and retire before the season. He's simply burned out. The Colts will replace him with David Carr, who they believe have the talent to take them to another Superbowl.
Just imagine how sick we'd all be if it actually happened--if some coach on a divisional rival actually found a way to get his head straight.
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