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Old 12-13-2004   #21
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But wouldn't they just go to a different defense with more DBs and use a coverage 3 or 4 or whatever they needed?

Seems to me like the higher that coverage number gets the less open field there will be anywhere at all. I mean, take it to rediculous purportions. Say you've got so many receivers and DBs that the entire field is covered with them. Who's going to catch a pass? The answer is that there is no answer. I know one thing: there's gonna be a lot of people trying to catch your pass and they're not all on your team.
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going deep would be nice, but if you can't do that just have andre run a drag. he can outrun anybody and can drag tacklers. we just have to get the ball into are best player's hand any way possible, you don't see moss or to with that few passes thrown their way. i now johnson is a humble guy and doesn't have their attitude, but he needs to get with david to find a way to get the ball in his hands, but not the same way they do it. he needs some of that miami attitude back in him.
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AJ goes in motion like he's going to set up on the other side. In the middle of this, the play starts and Carr tosses the ball to him for a sweep. It's just like a sweep with DD, except that AJ can flat out run. How's that?

It would keep the DE from having time to stop the whole thing on a reverse to DD. Only problem is, it wouldn't do didly squat to improve our lack of a passing game.
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i'm sorry but Carr needs more than .5 sec. of pass protection in order to throw the ball down the field ! Well ATLEAST manning didnt break the record against us
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Someone mentioned that Carr may have a shoulder injury and that is why he has struggle to throw downfield and why he is throwing side armed. Anyone else here that?
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Someone mentioned that Carr may have a shoulder injury and that is why he has struggle to throw downfield and why he is throwing side armed. Anyone else here that?
If Carr is really hurt enough where he can't get the ball down the field then he does not need to play. he is better than Tony banks, but he is not a half armed Favre or McNair running out there.
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If Carr is really hurt enough where he can't get the ball down the field then he does not need to play. he is better than Tony banks, but he is not a half armed Favre or McNair running out there.

I can't argue with that logic. Why risk playing Carr if he can't win anyway?
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First off, the idea that Carr has a hurt shoulder doesn't hold water when you break it down. You'd hear rumblings about it during the week, which we haven't. You'd see the trainers working on it during the game, which we haven't You see, and hear, and read about it from other sources than just this message board, which we haven't. And finally, they wouldn't play him at all if they got the slightest indication that his shoulder hurting was causing him to 'favor' it, or alter his motion.

I agree that it seems as if Carr has altered his throwing style, but I don't believe he's altering it because he's forced to.
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The thing that led to the speculation of injury sprang from his apparent lack of arm strength the last few weeks (pure speculation) and then couple that with some very errent passes and bad passing motion it LOOKS like there MIGHT be something. Probably is just reverting to old bad habits, but the apparent lack of arm strength is a bit of a concern as that is one of his strengths. The Texans have a history of being less than forth coming on the injury front.
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What if he is lying to the staff about the injury? If a long pass is called, he may be changing the play or going with the dump off to stay in the game.
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I think after watching Wand get beat like a rented mule yesterday, it's time to consider an upgrade at LT. Getting beat on the speed rush is one thing, but getting bull rushed and tossed like a salad by Freeney when he outweighs him by about 40 lbs is disconcerting to say the least.

I thought the defensive game plan was very good for a change yesterday. Those guys did their job. If you hold the Colts to their lowest amount of points in the season, you have to find a way to win, which brings us to the woeful offense.

Carr has had a lousy second half. Granted his passer rating was pretty good yesterday, but anyone who watched that game with an impartial eye saw that Carr simply did not play well. Starting off with an interception is the last thing you need. They could have really put some pressure on the Dolts had they converted at the end of the first half, and then you have the 4th QTR. I actually liked the game plan to a point - I thought it made sense to try and gobble up some time, and run DD if he was going good, and he was. However, I thought as the game progressed, they needed to throw some deep seam routes as it looked like the Colts finally caught on and were stacking the line better to stop the run. They needed some play action on first downs. They totally under utilized their WR's and TE's. No passes, not even once, down the field? There is no excuse for having Derrick Armstrong not even active?? You use the running game to play keep away, control the tempo, wear the D down, etc, but you use the pass to score.

Once again, the coaches played the game as if they were scared to get blown out, not like they wanted to win. I know Fisher got his arse kicked up there in Indy, but I liked his attitude of going for it, pulling out all the stops, and pulling every string imaginable. I would trrade Capers for Fischer today. Personally, for the first time, I was sort of mad at Casserly. On Allen's show last night, he said he was "proud of the team". Huh??? Proud of the team because they didn't lose by 40 points, but only by 9?

The time for moral victories is over. I am rather disapointed that the organazation seems satisfied with some sort of perceived moral victory.
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I thought yesterday's game plan was pretty sound. The reasoning behind not going long was the cover 2, which I really can't understand. See Billy Volek. The Colts did do a good job of covering our receivers because I think 2 or 3 of the 5 sacks were coverage sacks. I though Carr had an ok game, or at least he had a few moments. I saw him look off some receivers and the whole defense went the way he was looking and then he completed the pass to the other side of the field. I saw him actually step up in the pocket (only to get sacked I might add). I saw his play action fake out the defense a few times. His accuracy has been off though, I don't question that at all. I agree though, 3 catches by AJ, 2 by Miller, 2 by Bradford, 0 for Gaffney, and an inactive Armstrong is just not gonna get it. I kept thinking, they are about to go long, and they just never did.

I think the original poster was peeved about the lack of going long, but we are either 4th or 6th in the league of pass completions over 20 yards. We do go long, we just didn't yesterday. Our longest pass and catch was to Bradford for 19 yards.

Oh, how do we get 5 false starts at home? I know Pitts had 2, Miller 1, who got the others? And Wand did get abused by Freeney. I saw Freeney just flat out bull rush him, hit him in the chest, and I swear it knocked Wand back 4 or 5 feet. All Freeney had to do was use the space he created and go straight at Carr.
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I think the original poster was peeved about the lack of going long, but we are either 4th or 6th in the league of pass completions over 20 yards. We do go long, we just didn't yesterday. Our longest pass and catch was to Bradford for 19 yards.
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No, the 'original poster' was not peeved about the lack of going long, as the 'original poster' fully understood why they couldn't go long. What I was peeved at, was that so-called 'expert' color commentator NOT understanding it.

The Colts play a Cover 2. They are adamant about NOT giving up the big play. The only way you get a ball deep downfield to AJ, Bradford, or God himself for that matter, in a Cover 2 defense is that the QB HAS to have the time to throw.

But when the Colts 4 down linemen are making punks out of our offensive linemen, how is Carr going to have time to look downfield, much less throw it downfield into double coverage? All he had time to do was dump it off, or hand it off.

People keep using that Titans game last week where Volek threw 3 long passes for TDs in the first quarter, when they had no idea what kind of protection he had. But after that 1st quarter, it was 3 and out, 3 and out, 3 and out passing, and giving the ball back to Peyton, and allowing the Colts to BLOW THEM OUT.

I really, genuinely believe that some of you are so exasperated with the "keep it close" strategy, that you'd rather see the team get blown out, just to see Carr throw it deep.
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Well sorry Marcus. I made a mistake in referring to the "original poster", and if I could get the quote thing to work right, I would quote RHC564 on his take. He was blaming the fact that we did not go long on Dom Capers' philosophy. Said it was why he lost his job in Carolina. Read my post again. Note the first sentence where I said "I thought it was a sound game plan." That should be enough to let you know that I would rather not go long than keep it close. It's a fact, our pass protection sucked and we couldn't go long. I just thought that the way we were running the ball, we might get to chunk it up the field and let AJ go get it, but our protection broke down time after time. Our game plan was to run the football, and once again, I had no problem with that at all.
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