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Old 12-12-2004   #1
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Did you hear that stupid color commentator yammering about why Carr didn't go up top the entire game today?

Well, if Dwight Freeney wasn't making Seth Wand his personal b***h on every single friggin pass play, then maybe Carr could have a little time to look down field. Todd Wade wasn't doing that much better against Mathis. But that Wand/Freeney matchup was a horrible thing to watch.
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Yes it was, I hope Wand is learning while he's getting used by people and something good comes from this.
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Regardless, we need to get Andre involved. How do we run 7 reverses against GB, but none today? Where is that quick pass to AJ? Where is the quick slant- that lets AJ run after the catch. Where are the TE's?
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I realize that Indy has very fast ends- but when they are keying in on Carr there is no reason to not run a reverse to AJ. At the very worst it makes the D hesitate just a little bit, and AJ is a good enough athelete to make something happen.
My problem is that we managed to get about 3 receptions to our wide outs and TE's. That is absolutely unconscionable when you have somebody like AJ on your team- FIND A WAY TO WORK THEM INTO THE GAME.
Also, since we get no production out of the TE's anyway, why did we not stick them over to help Wand. He was obviously getting abused.
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its called doubling Freeney with a RB/TE and then blocking down on Mathis with a roll out to the right where AJ is streaking down the field...
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I nominatee fiddy as our defensive coordinator! Yeah sure we do that and some unknown LB starts sacking Carr. Wand should be able to handle 1-1 against Freeney. Actually this is good for the young man.
Do you mean offensive??? Just wondering because I would happily accept it. lol.

When you play against Cover 2, the LBs are not going to come on the blitz because that would leave a part of the field empty. The Colts run Cover 2 a lot so their LBs wont come up and sack Carr...
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...ok, so Carr got pressure-- he gets pressure every game. Thus, we play
it close to the vest and don't even try to score. We had the Colts on the
run when DD was moving the chains, which would have been the perfect
time to go deep. Did we? No, we didn't even try. Folks, that is Dom Capers
football. It's a philosophy. It cost him his job in Carolina. We can change
this and we can change that as far as players but it won't matter--if you
never call the play or at least try the play, what changes. Do we need a
bunch of new people to obtain the Texan's goal of '2 yds and a cloud of dust.'
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its called doubling Freeney with a RB/TE and then blocking down on Mathis with a roll out to the right where AJ is streaking down the field...
Yeah, that'll work.

Having to use up 5 or 6 of your people to block their 4 down linemen, and you wonder why our receivers are never open?

I'm as frustrated as anyone that Domanick Davis seems to be the only receiver that gets open. But more and more, I'm understanding why that's the case.
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Having to use up 5 or 6 of your people to block their 4 down linemen, and you wonder why our receivers are never open?
then you overload one the right side of the defense so there is more WR than defenders. Thats how you beat a zone, you overload one side....
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It doesn't matter how much you attempt to overload a side. AJ is going to draw double or triple coverage no matter what. But where are the other receivers? Again, what does it matter if Carr doesn't have the time to look for them?

Use last week's game against the Jets for example. Carr actually had good protection, even though Carr played lousy. But even playing lousy, he still managed to get it to AJ, or at least threw it up for AJ to go get, even though he was double covered. Why? Because he had the time. The OL was giving adequate pass protection.

Not so against the Colts.
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Last week Billy Volek launched three TD passes against this same Colts D. Passes of 48, 28, and 48 yards. Our longest pass of the day was for 19 yards. I guess our O-line IS that bad.
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Yes it is.... between Wand and Pitts. BIGGG weakness...why Carr runs 99.9% to the right. Ever seen Carr run to the left? I expect wand to bulk up next season
Carr scrambles to the right because he is right handed.
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There has been a fair amount of speculation on Carr's throwing side arm and apparent lack of arm strength lately. Perhaps there is a reason nothing deep was tried today. Purly speculation on my part, but his passes have NOT looked very good for several weeks. They looked pretty darn good the first 4-5 games of the season and have looked bad for the last 4-5. Might just be in a slump, but he just looks bad out there at the moment.
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lol... uh no.. ...
Um. uh yes. Lefty's scramble to the left so they can throw the ball without twisting around and resetting. Right handed QB's scramble to the right for the same reason.
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It's very obvious that Carr has no faith in his pass protection at all and I don't blame him. Sometimes he looks like he's headed that way knowing that he's going to have to in a few seconds anyway.

Also, no he can't throw long. The only way he's going to throw long in that game is if he takes the sack and gets back up and chunks one.

Furthermore, running a reverse would have only gotten AJ tackled for a 5 yd. loss by the DE. I'd rather have DD run between left tackle and left guard, with the DE quite possibly on the outside looking in (and backwards).

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There has been a fair amount of speculation on Carr's throwing side arm and apparent lack of arm strength lately. Perhaps there is a reason nothing deep was tried today. Purly speculation on my part, but his passes have NOT looked very good for several weeks. They looked pretty darn good the first 4-5 games of the season and have looked bad for the last 4-5. Might just be in a slump, but he just looks bad out there at the moment.
Did anybody else notice that the touchdown pass to Wells was a very low sidearm throw? I swear it looked like it passed 3 or 4 players at below head level on the way to Wells. It was pretty slick at the time, but that just isn't gonna work.
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Furthermore, running a reverse would have only gotten AJ tackled for a 5 yd. loss by the DE. I'd rather have DD run between left tackle and left guard, with the DE quite possibly on the outside looking in (and backwards).
Maybe. But the fact remains that AJ was criminally under used today, and really at times throughout the season. My issue is not that they didn't run a reverse, I was only pointing out that we will run a play or certain plays until they are DOA, and then not use them for long periods of time- even stretches of games.
The point is we have a huge playmaker that we did not even try to get involved in the offense. We did not do anything to make the defense hesitate-we just allow them to pin their ears back and abuse the oline and Carr. When the Colts decided to not allow DD to beat them they were stopping him in the backfield for a loss. When they were sacking Carr mercilessly with a mere four-man rush we were losing yards. What's the harm in trying to put the ball in your biggest playmakers hands and hope he can make something happen?
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You cant beat a Cover 2 by overloading a side. The fact will still remain that the QB has to find the hole in that cover 2 D play and it takes time. That is why Dungy takes those fast players. They will get there before the WR find the hole. Running and playaction beats the Colts.

A fake reverse could have worked tho, it might have caused one of those DE's to pursue and bought time.
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He's right, you can't beat a cover 2 by overloading like that. You beat a cover 2 by PROTECTING THE QB and hitting somebody DEEP down the MIDDLE. That and by having DD stuff it right up their gut.

I don't think you can beat a zone defense by using more receivers. It's not how many. It's where they go to. Besides, how is Carr going to check off 5 receivers? He can't check off 2 receivers right now.

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Actually the number of receivers is important and has an effect on the other wr's as to the coverage seams and pockets. Defenders have to react to your action.
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