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Old 05-14-2008   #21
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After that...it's all up in the air. I think JJ might make a strong push for more time at WR than Davis.
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I think our trench guys take more of a beating on every play than receivers. That is why I could see a speedy Slaton with good hands playing RB/5th WR unless of course he beats others for the starter roll at half back. Most of you know I was pushing Jamaal Charles for this role prior to draft not having any inkling that Slaton could be had in 3rd.

Going with 11 OL and 4 + Slaton @ WR makes a lot of sense to me. We usually used the big four unless someone was hurt last season. As someone mentioned our TE Daniels could play WR in some situations. Man it feels good to be talking about surplus at some positions this year. There is a rumor that Schaub is giddy at his prospects this year. Who ya going to throw to Matt?
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He seems to be a smart kid, but I think that's a lot to put on a rookie - learning two positions. Another option could be to try Taylor at FB as they were going to do at last year's TC, as all indications are that they're going to carry at least 3 RBs.
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I think our trench guys take more of a beating on every play than receivers. That is why I could see a speedy Slaton with good hands playing RB/5th WR unless of course he beats others for the starter roll at half back. Most of you know I was pushing Jamaal Charles for this role prior to draft not having any inkling that Slaton could be had in 3rd.

Going with 11 OL and 4 + Slaton @ WR makes a lot of sense to me. We usually used the big four unless someone was hurt last season. As someone mentioned our TE Daniels could play WR in some situations. Man it feels good to be talking about surplus at some positions this year. There is a rumor that Schaub is giddy at his prospects this year. Who ya going to throw to Matt?

I think Slaton would be more dangerous coming out of the backfield catching the ball rather than in the slot as a rookie. Let's get him a couple years coming out of the backfield, get him comfortable with that, and THEN we can expand his role.
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I would think that Juh-cuh-bee Jones would be on the bubble here. His season was terribly disappointing. Sure, I know he was injured but even when he wasn't... it was Davis/Walter/insert reciever here stealing the show. Jacoby was supposed to be our flashy player and he simply wasn't. Getting injured by a kicker has to fall on the bad side of Kubiak and what he demands out of a player. When I saw Jacoby get hit... I was like... Huh? He got hurt on that play? Wait a minute!!! INSTANT REPLAY INSTANT REPLAY!! After seeing it again... I still went huh? Okayyy. I guess it was a freakish hit at an awkward angle or something that the camera just didn't show.

I don't doubt he got hurt. I just... don't think that he should be getting hurt that easily on his way in the NFL. He has a lot ot prove to Kubiak especially since he brought in Grice-Mullins (who I'm a personal fan of but don't have much expectations for him in the NFL but am hoping that I'm proved wrong).

Basically, it seems that Jacoby Jones is quickly being overlooked when it comes to players who must earn their spot. Jones MUST earn his spot this season. Davis and Slaton are fine kick returners so that can't be the only asset that Jones has to bring to the table. He has to be able to pull off some outstanding catches and earn his spot.

I realize that I may not be in the majority here and all that but don't think I'm not a fan of Jones. I am. I was at the Dallas Cowboy preseason game and was ELATED with him after seeing him rip the Cowgirls up. A sight that still replays itself in my dreams. Him zagging through the field and getting that punt return TD.
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I disagree, I think its much easier and more beneficial to put him in the slot and force the other team to cover him. His only strength out of the backfield would be on a screen, a much more touchy play than a curl or slant from the slot.
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I would think that Juh-cuh-bee Jones would be on the bubble here. His season was terribly disappointing. Sure, I know he was injured but even when he wasn't... it was Davis/Walter/insert reciever here stealing the show. Jacoby was supposed to be our flashy player and he simply wasn't. Getting injured by a kicker has to fall on the bad side of Kubiak and what he demands out of a player. When I saw Jacoby get hit... I was like... Huh? He got hurt on that play? Wait a minute!!! INSTANT REPLAY INSTANT REPLAY!! After seeing it again... I still went huh? Okayyy. I guess it was a freakish hit at an awkward angle or something that the camera just didn't show.

I don't doubt he got hurt. I just... don't think that he should be getting hurt that easily on his way in the NFL. He has a lot ot prove to Kubiak especially since he brought in Grice-Mullins (who I'm a personal fan of but don't have much expectations for him in the NFL but am hoping that I'm proved wrong).

Basically, it seems that Jacoby Jones is quickly being overlooked when it comes to players who must earn their spot. Jones MUST earn his spot this season. Davis and Slaton are fine kick returners so that can't be the only asset that Jones has to bring to the table. He has to be able to pull off some outstanding catches and earn his spot.

I realize that I may not be in the majority here and all that but don't think I'm not a fan of Jones. I am. I was at the Dallas Cowboy preseason game and was ELATED with him after seeing him rip the Cowgirls up. A sight that still replays itself in my dreams. Him zagging through the field and getting that punt return TD.
What have you done for me lately?

He's a small school product, playing one of the tougher positions to transition to in the NFL, in his sophmore season, coming off a freshman season mired in injuries. He's not guaranteed a spot on the roster forever, but to suggest that his spot is in jeopardy this season is as absurd as saying KW is battling for one of the last spots. He has entirely too high of a ceiling to dump after one mediocre season in which he was constantly injured.
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I would think that Juh-cuh-bee Jones would be on the bubble here. His season was terribly disappointing. Sure, I know he was injured but even when he wasn't... it was Davis/Walter/insert reciever here stealing the show. Jacoby was supposed to be our flashy player and he simply wasn't. Getting injured by a kicker has to fall on the bad side of Kubiak and what he demands out of a player. When I saw Jacoby get hit... I was like... Huh? He got hurt on that play? Wait a minute!!! INSTANT REPLAY INSTANT REPLAY!! After seeing it again... I still went huh? Okayyy. I guess it was a freakish hit at an awkward angle or something that the camera just didn't show.

I don't doubt he got hurt. I just... don't think that he should be getting hurt that easily on his way in the NFL. He has a lot ot prove to Kubiak especially since he brought in Grice-Mullins (who I'm a personal fan of but don't have much expectations for him in the NFL but am hoping that I'm proved wrong).

Basically, it seems that Jacoby Jones is quickly being overlooked when it comes to players who must earn their spot. Jones MUST earn his spot this season. Davis and Slaton are fine kick returners so that can't be the only asset that Jones has to bring to the table. He has to be able to pull off some outstanding catches and earn his spot.

I realize that I may not be in the majority here and all that but don't think I'm not a fan of Jones. I am. I was at the Dallas Cowboy preseason game and was ELATED with him after seeing him rip the Cowgirls up. A sight that still replays itself in my dreams. Him zagging through the field and getting that punt return TD.
I agree that he shouldn't get a pass and could be pushed back to the 5th WR spot if he doesn't prove himself in camp, but I think you're harsh about the injury. He'll still make the roster this season; despite not being as electric in the regular season, he still finished 8th in the league in PR avg.
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He's a small school product, playing one of the tougher positions to transition to in the NFL, in his sophmore season, coming off a freshman season mired in injuries. He's not guaranteed a spot on the roster forever, but to suggest that his spot is in jeopardy this season is as absurd as saying KW is battling for one of the last spots. He has entirely too high of a ceiling to dump after one mediocre season in which he was constantly injured.
You know... I don't claim to know very much about the inner workings of the Houston Texans but to suggest that Jacoby's slot isn't in jeopardy is absurd in itself. That wasn't even what I was trying to get at either. Let me try again though... it appears that Jacoby is being given a free pass by the members of this message board in this thread by absolutely guaranteeing him a spot. It seems silly to me. Truth be told, I don't even think we'll even have five guys on the roster. Kubiak has talked about keeping three QBs, the board is talking about keeping an extra running back and now a fifth WR. Jacoby is getting a free pass here and he shouldn't be. I want Jacoby on my roster. Believe me, I do but I want him to earn it. I think he has to earn it.

Wali Lundy had to earn it and he was cut the following season after he was drafted. Why is it so unfathomable to think that this can't happen to Jacoby Jones? The thing is... you said... he had one mediocre season. Yeah, I agree with that but he's also only had just ONE season. On a team that was considered to be extremely light on the WR side going into the season last year, the man had an extremely mediocre season. Kubiak isn't McNair. He'll have no qualms cutting a man quickly that he personally selected such as he did with Lundy.

Maybe I'm being harsh on the injury. Fine. I can accept that but I will NOT be harsh on his play after the injury. He appeared to be extremely timid and just lost the spark that he had. You could say that he lost his innocence after that hit. This is the National Football League.

8th in the league really isn't saying too much for the Houston Texans. Is it Jacoby Jones? Or is it our outstanding special teams unit? I think it's the latter. Andre Davis had extreme success. Jerome Mathis had extreme success. Jacoby Jones had extreme success. Something had to help these guys make strides. It also helps to play the Indianapolis Colts special teams twice a season (they're bad although I can't factually support this).

Again, I don't claim to know or understand much about the innerworkings of a NFL football team but I'd like to believe that everybody has to earn their spot year in and year out. Especially someone who rode the pine the season before and lost (I believe he lost it? I could be wrong. Didn't he start off the season as our punt and kickoff return man?) his kickoff returning duties to Andre Davis. Andre Davis came in and stole Jacoby Jones' thunder and snagged a hefty payday from the Texans. This doesn't worry Jacoby Jones fans a little bit? It should.

I believe that Jacoby Jones will be on the roster when final cuts come. I do believe that. I'm just trying to stress that people shouldn't be so stunned if he weren't to make it. That's all. I believe it's a very realistic scenario.
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You know... I don't claim to know very much about the inner workings of the Houston Texans but to suggest that Jacoby's slot isn't in jeopardy is absurd in itself. That wasn't even what I was trying to get at either. Let me try again though... it appears that Jacoby is being given a free pass by the members of this message board in this thread by absolutely guaranteeing him a spot. It seems silly to me. Truth be told, I don't even think we'll even have five guys on the roster. Kubiak has talked about keeping three QBs, the board is talking about keeping an extra running back and now a fifth WR. Jacoby is getting a free pass here and he shouldn't be. I want Jacoby on my roster. Believe me, I do but I want him to earn it. I think he has to earn it.

Wali Lundy had to earn it and he was cut the following season after he was drafted. Why is it so unfathomable to think that this can't happen to Jacoby Jones? The thing is... you said... he had one mediocre season. Yeah, I agree with that but he's also only had just ONE season. On a team that was considered to be extremely light on the WR side going into the season last year, the man had an extremely mediocre season. Kubiak isn't McNair. He'll have no qualms cutting a man quickly that he personally selected such as he did with Lundy.

Maybe I'm being harsh on the injury. Fine. I can accept that but I will NOT be harsh on his play after the injury. He appeared to be extremely timid and just lost the spark that he had. You could say that he lost his innocence after that hit. This is the National Football League.

8th in the league really isn't saying too much for the Houston Texans. Is it Jacoby Jones? Or is it our outstanding special teams unit? I think it's the latter. Andre Davis had extreme success. Jerome Mathis had extreme success. Jacoby Jones had extreme success. Something had to help these guys make strides. It also helps to play the Indianapolis Colts special teams twice a season (they're bad although I can't factually support this).

Again, I don't claim to know or understand much about the innerworkings of a NFL football team but I'd like to believe that everybody has to earn their spot year in and year out. Especially someone who rode the pine the season before and lost (I believe he lost it? I could be wrong. Didn't he start off the season as our punt and kickoff return man?) his kickoff returning duties to Andre Davis. Andre Davis came in and stole Jacoby Jones' thunder and snagged a hefty payday from the Texans. This doesn't worry Jacoby Jones fans a little bit? It should.

I believe that Jacoby Jones will be on the roster when final cuts come. I do believe that. I'm just trying to stress that people shouldn't be so stunned if he weren't to make it. That's all. I believe it's a very realistic scenario.
I think with JJ he has a spot. As for last year and losing or not losing his spot as the PR. I think that was his injury. Kubes seemed pleased with him pre-injury and said on several occasions that he was tentative after the injury. He's had an off season off and will have a training camp to restore faith in his ability to take a hit and that's what it looked to me like he needed. Lets not forget that he was taken as a project. Most small school receivers are projects. Do we need to review the Mathis project?

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You know... I don't claim to know very much about the inner workings of the Houston Texans but to suggest that Jacoby's slot isn't in jeopardy is absurd in itself. That wasn't even what I was trying to get at either. Let me try again though... it appears that Jacoby is being given a free pass by the members of this message board in this thread by absolutely guaranteeing him a spot. It seems silly to me. Truth be told, I don't even think we'll even have five guys on the roster. Kubiak has talked about keeping three QBs, the board is talking about keeping an extra running back and now a fifth WR. Jacoby is getting a free pass here and he shouldn't be. I want Jacoby on my roster. Believe me, I do but I want him to earn it. I think he has to earn it.

Wali Lundy had to earn it and he was cut the following season after he was drafted. Why is it so unfathomable to think that this can't happen to Jacoby Jones? The thing is... you said... he had one mediocre season. Yeah, I agree with that but he's also only had just ONE season. On a team that was considered to be extremely light on the WR side going into the season last year, the man had an extremely mediocre season. Kubiak isn't McNair. He'll have no qualms cutting a man quickly that he personally selected such as he did with Lundy.

Maybe I'm being harsh on the injury. Fine. I can accept that but I will NOT be harsh on his play after the injury. He appeared to be extremely timid and just lost the spark that he had. You could say that he lost his innocence after that hit. This is the National Football League.

8th in the league really isn't saying too much for the Houston Texans. Is it Jacoby Jones? Or is it our outstanding special teams unit? I think it's the latter. Andre Davis had extreme success. Jerome Mathis had extreme success. Jacoby Jones had extreme success. Something had to help these guys make strides. It also helps to play the Indianapolis Colts special teams twice a season (they're bad although I can't factually support this).

Again, I don't claim to know or understand much about the innerworkings of a NFL football team but I'd like to believe that everybody has to earn their spot year in and year out. Especially someone who rode the pine the season before and lost (I believe he lost it? I could be wrong. Didn't he start off the season as our punt and kickoff return man?) his kickoff returning duties to Andre Davis. Andre Davis came in and stole Jacoby Jones' thunder and snagged a hefty payday from the Texans. This doesn't worry Jacoby Jones fans a little bit? It should.

I believe that Jacoby Jones will be on the roster when final cuts come. I do believe that. I'm just trying to stress that people shouldn't be so stunned if he weren't to make it. That's all. I believe it's a very realistic scenario.
It's pretty simply really.

Jacoby Jones will be ensured a spot because of his incredible potential. The fact that he was coming out of a small school, playing a position that traditionally takes a few years to transition in, and his injuries last year are all reasons why he gets a "pass" on his mediocre play. The coaches are not going to cut a third round pick who had an OK year, showed flashes, and has an incredible potential. That just wouldn't make any sense.

This isn't a Wali Lundy situation where you have a 6th round pick, from an ACC school, where you knew what you were getting. Lundy didn't have any untapped potential that we were looking for. He came in, played his role, and was cut. Totally different situation than Jacoby.
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Jacoby Jones is the the Texans punt returner. He doesn't even have competition for the job. I don't know where Jones will stand at WR, but he's got a stranglehold on the punt returner job. For Jones not to make this roster is not only unrealistic, it's inconceivable.*

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Jacoby Jones is the the Texans punt returner. He doesn't even have competition for the job. I don't know where Jones will stand at WR, but he's got a stranglehold on the punt returner job. For Jones not to make this roster is not only unrealistic, it's inconceivable.*

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the quick guys ALWAYS look good early in camp before the hitting goes live...so every year a fast noob like Grice-Mullen always excite the fans but if I had to put my money on it he just reeks of the practice squad. Once these guys start to take hits from NFL front 7 defenders is when you start to separate the wheat from the chaff.

to answer the early question...imo, yes, Slaton gives us the ability to carry one less WR since I believe he will be used in the slot and like Westbrook is used with the Eagles. This doesn't bode well for guys like Anderson, but he has a legit shot to make the team in my eyes.
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the quick guys ALWAYS look good early in camp before the hitting goes live...so every year a fast noob like Grice-Mullen always excite the fans but if I had to put my money on it he just reeks of the practice squad. Once these guys start to take hits from NFL front 7 defenders is when you start to separate the wheat from the chaff.

to answer the early question...imo, yes, Slaton gives us the ability to carry one less WR since I believe he will be used in the slot and like Westbrook is used with the Eagles. This doesn't bode well for guys like Anderson, but he has a legit shot to make the team in my eyes.
Vinny is preaching right here. JJ's got a legit shot only b/c of what he showed last year in preseason.... that's pretty much it. His upside is higher than Lundy's ever was so comparing those 2 is not really accurate. I don't see Kubes going this route but he, like every major pro sports coach, tend to look for guys who can fill multiple roles & last year JJ only did OK in 1 of them. now you've got a guy in Slaton who could potentially do everything that JJ can do, except this guy is a little more used to taking hits. Add in the fact that for what he did at WR last year any 1 of these 3 new guys could basically do the same &.......well you get the picture.
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I may be getting Anderson mixed up with Walter, but Anderson, I believe, partly won his position because of ST play, and I don't mean as returner. He was a standout on the kickoff and punt coverage teams. Kubiak called him a blue collar type of player who would cover, hit and tackle. If I'm remembering correctly, this gives him an edge many receivers don't have.
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I could swear that i read somewhere that Slaton needed to work on his recieving skills. He didnt do a whole lot of catching the ball in college. If this is true then its highly unlikely that he will be seeing much time in the slot.
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I may be getting Anderson mixed up with Walter, but Anderson, I believe, partly won his position because of ST play, and I don't mean as returner.
That's got to be Walter. The only thing I can remember David Anderson doing on special teams is muffing the punt in the Titans game at Reliant, last year.
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Yeah that's Walter, Kubes always describes him as a "lunch pail" or something close to that kind of player.
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That's got to be Walter. The only thing I can remember David Anderson doing on special teams is muffing the punt in the Titans game at Reliant, last year.
I know you mentioned special teams, but I just want to point out a play that could've given the Phins their first win and our second loss in a row to a horrible team.

By no means am I saying he deserves a roster spot because of this, I'm just saying. I'm bored shitless

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1-10-HOU 3 (1:33) 35-S.Gado to HOU 4 for 1 yard (54-Z.Thomas).
2-9-HOU 4 (:54) 8-M.Schaub pass short right to 81-O.Daniels pushed ob at HOU 23 for 19 yards (24-R.Hill).
1-10-HOU 23 (:47) 8-M.Schaub pass incomplete short left to 89-D.Anderson.
2-10-HOU 23 (:42) 8-M.Schaub pass short middle to 81-O.Daniels to HOU 37 for 14 yards (22-M.Lehan).
Timeout #1 by HOU at 00:36.
1-10-HOU 37 (:36) 8-M.Schaub pass deep middle to 89-D.Anderson to MIA 44 for 19 yards (22-M.Lehan).
Timeout #2 by HOU at 00:22.
1-10-MIA 44 (:22) 8-M.Schaub pass short middle to 83-K.Walter to MIA 38 for 6 yards (25-W.Allen).
2-4-MIA 38 (:22) 8-M.Schaub spiked the ball to stop the clock.
3-4-MIA 38 (:06) 3-K.Brown 57 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-48-B.Pittman, Holder-1-M.Turk.
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