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Old 05-06-2008   #1
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NFL teams will be held accountable for draft-day gambles

05:38 PM CDT on Monday, April 28, 2008



NEW YORK Wide receiver Mario Manningham admitted to NFL teams during the 2008 draft process that he failed drug tests at the University of Michigan.

Manningham projected as a first-round pick when he decided to skip his senior year at Michigan but his admitted marijuana use raised a character flag that triggered his draft-day slide over the weekend. The New York Giants finally selected him late in the third round.

Draft prospects with suspensions, arrests and failed drug tests have tumbled down the board the last two drafts following NFL commissioner Roger Goodell's crackdown on player misconduct in 2007. They may tumble farther and faster in 2009.

Goodell informed NFL teams at the league's annual meeting in March that he would begin holding the clubs accountable when their players stray.

"If you have an individual player that has discipline from the personal conduct policy, a portion of that salary is going to be withheld as a fine," Goodell said Monday. "And that's going to escalate."

In the past, if a player was earning $500,000 and was suspended by the league, he would not be paid his salary and his team could just pocket that money.

"Now I may say pay $250,000 of that to us 50 percent of it," Goodell said. "If it's his second incident, it might be $300,000. If it's his fourth incident, it might be $500,000."

That's how you get the attention of teams hit them where they feel it most. In the pocketbook.

Right now, there is little risk for the club. A team can draft a player with first-round value but character concerns in the fifth round and view him as tremendous bargain.

If the player doesn't work out, he doesn't work out. There's no real damage to the team. He's just another fifth-round pick who didn't make it. Except that now the clubs will be held accountable for those draft-day gambles.

"At a certain point, we can have all these policies and resources available," Goodell said. "But if you start picking the wrong people, there's nothing I can do about that. I'm not ever going to make the choices of who you can have but you're going to have to make better choices of the people you do [bring in]. That's the only way I can get to that [point].

"And I haven't ruled out competitive consequences, by the way draft choices and such."
But Goodell said those details are still being worked out.

In 2007, Goodell took the first step toward cleaning up the league's image by cracking down on the players, suspending Pacman Jones, Odell Thurman and Chris Henry.

The second step by Goodell in 2008 will be the crackdown on teams.


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"If you have an individual player that has discipline from the personal conduct policy, a portion of that salary is going to be withheld as a fine," Goodell said Monday. "And that's going to escalate."

In the past, if a player was earning $500,000 and was suspended by the league, he would not be paid his salary and his team could just pocket that money.

"Now I may say pay $250,000 of that to us 50 percent of it," Goodell said. "If it's his second incident, it might be $300,000. If it's his fourth incident, it might be $500,000."

That's how you get the attention of teams hit them where they feel it most. In the pocketbook.

Right now, there is little risk for the club. A team can draft a player with first-round value but character concerns in the fifth round and view him as tremendous bargain.

If the player doesn't work out, he doesn't work out. There's no real damage to the team. He's just another fifth-round pick who didn't make it. Except that now the clubs will be held accountable for those draft-day gambles.

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Well with the Texans emphasis on character it shouldn't be too much of a problem for us.

The Bengals on the other hand better take out a second mortgage.
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Taking away draft picks is something me and a buddy talked about a few weeks ago. Why should the Cowboys be able to acquire a huge threat like Pac-man with no more risk than a 5'th round pick? In my eyes that is not fair to the teams who don't support women beating sociopaths. Dallas will sweep anything he does under the rug (if they can) and have a guy who is scoring TD's and arranging murders at the same time and they could care less.
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the Cowboys were the first team I thought of when reading this article, although it doesn't specifically speak about acquiring free agents that have character issues, just the draft picks.

I like the idea alot, but the financial discipline could be stepped up in my opinion.
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the Cowboys were the first team I thought of when reading this article, although it doesn't specifically speak about acquiring free agents that have character issues, just the draft picks.

I like the idea alot, but the financial discipline could be stepped up in my opinion.
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I dont think this applies to only draft picks .... It doesnt say If a draft pick .... It says If a player...... To me that means anyone in the league falls under this . I think what was said is that teams would gamble on bad character guy's with talent later in the draft with very little downside to taking this player .... Now when the player screws up not only is he held accountable , so is the team .
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I am interested in what the Players Union thinks about this......
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I am interested in what the Players Union thinks about this......
I dont see what this has to do with the NFL-PA . This is the team paying for the actions of its player . Previously if the player if suspended didnt get paid and the team kept the money , now the team will lose that cash (or a portion of it) to the league office .
How does that effect the player other than making teams think twice when they take a questionable character ?.... This makes it more difficult for the "Bad Seed" to become a member of the PA ...... I think its good for them .
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Taking away draft picks is something me and a buddy talked about a few weeks ago. Why should the Cowboys be able to acquire a huge threat like Pac-man with no more risk than a 5'th round pick? In my eyes that is not fair to the teams who don't support women beating sociopaths. Dallas will sweep anything he does under the rug (if they can) and have a guy who is scoring TD's and arranging murders at the same time and they could care less.
"the Cowboys were the first team I thought of when reading this article, although it doesn't specifically speak about acquiring free agents that have character issues, just the draft picks.

I like the idea alot, but the financial discipline could be stepped up in my opinion."

What about Ahman Green. He was arrested for domestic violence in 2005. So, I guess that means the Texans support "woman beating sociopaths".
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Taking away draft picks is something me and a buddy talked about a few weeks ago. Why should the Cowboys be able to acquire a huge threat like Pac-man with no more risk than a 5'th round pick? In my eyes that is not fair to the teams who don't support women beating sociopaths. Dallas will sweep anything he does under the rug (if they can) and have a guy who is scoring TD's and arranging murders at the same time and they could care less.
I'm so tired of the same old BS on the Cowboys...again. Jerry Jones took a very sound chance on a guy who might screw up and if he turns it around it works. Its not like he likes felons. He likes to give a guy another chance and if he is still a loser, like PacMan very well could be..,,then they are cut for no loss. Dallas has been far from the worst offender of having these guys over the past 5 years.

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See this is where I get peeved. When the Cowboys had problems it was 15 years ago. 15 YEARS. The Texans have had more DWIs and problems than the Cowboys since then. The Vikings, the Bengals and a ton of others have had a lot more arrests.

Let me run some stats real quick. In 2006 the Charger team had 3 people out there who ranged from selling cough syrup, to being shot by an off duty officer to a DEA probe. The Vikings led the league in arrests in 2003, 2004 and 2005. Denver had an average of 1-2 arrests every year from 2000-2006. In 2008 the Bears had 5 arrests...Tank twice, The Chargers 6, The Bengals 10...the Cowboys 1....a guy who came from the Texans and didn't even really play..Marcus Coleman.

People need to pull their head out. I don't like what PacMan does and don't condone stupidity. But making a good deal that can either be great or go pffft doesn't bother me. Either the guy turns his life around or he is gone. I'll give him this chance. If the Cowboys let him be a thug, then I'll get peeved. For right now I'll see if his last chance was worth it. Charles Haley was a mental case and did well in Dallas. Tank didn't get in trouble last year. I am just not going to pretend that the NFL doesn't have their good and bad.
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I'm so tired of the same old BS on the Cowboys...again. Jerry Jones took a very sound chance on a guy who might screw up and if he turns it around it works. Its not like he likes felons. He likes to give a guy another chance and if he is still a loser, like PacMan very well could be..,,then they are cut for no loss. Dallas has been far from the worst offender of having these guys over the past 5 years.
don't tell that to ignorant Houston sports fan....it's all about their Napoleonic complex-agenda towards Dallas...especially the Cowboys.

some of these yayhoos actually think that the Cowboys are the Texans rival. that is just priceless, a rivalry has to go both ways and the fans in Dallas could give a rat's ass about the Texans or their fans. They know what a real rivalry is and not some wannabe rivalry like typical Houston fan. Give me a break. The Titans are our rivals.....end of story. We have a little bit of a rivalry with Jacksonville and we are the Colt's prison *****, and that is pretty much it. Rivals don't meet every 4 years......no matter how many time Houston Fan says 'Cowboys Suck' or something really intelligent and par for the course like that.
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. Its not like he likes felons. He likes to give a guy another chance and if he is still a loser,
Frog, let's not act like Jerrah is the purveyor of redemption here. If he signs Mike Vick or even Rae Carruth someday, it won't be because he believes in giving guys a second chance.

I do however, have your back on you saying that the Cowboys - not being one of the worst teams in the last 5 years or so, with respect to having hoodlums and offenders on their roster..
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don't tell that to ignorant Houston sports fan....it's all about their Napoleonic complex-agenda towards Dallas...especially the Cowboys.

some of these yayhoos actually think that the Cowboys are the Texans rival. that is just priceless, a rivalry has to go both ways and the fans in Dallas could give a rat's ass about the Texans or their fans. They know what a real rivalry is and not some wannabe rivalry like typical Houston fan. Give me a break. The Titans are our rivals.....end of story. We have a little bit of a rivalry with Jacksonville and we are the Colt's prison *****, and that is pretty much it. Rivals don't meet every 4 years......no matter how many time Houston Fan says 'Cowboys Suck' or something really intelligent and par for the course like that.
Damn, I would have argued, but you said end of story...
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I'm so tired of the same old BS on the Cowboys...again. Jerry Jones took a very sound chance on a guy who might screw up and if he turns it around it works. Its not like he likes felons. He likes to give a guy another chance and if he is still a loser, like PacMan very well could be..,,then they are cut for no loss. Dallas has been far from the worst offender of having these guys over the past 5 years.

I do agree with what the commish is doing though....if you want more info on the league, here are some things I wrote before:



http://www.forbes.com/leadership/200...w_0813nfl.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv..._12162006.html

I really dont think it has as much to do with "helpin a guy out" or "giving a second chance". Jones just wants to win, and quit being made fun of for great regular seasons and 1st round exits. "End of story"...
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I really dont think it has as much to do with "helpin a guy out" or "giving a second chance". Jones just wants to win, and quit being made fun of for great regular seasons and 1st round exits. "End of story"...
I agree completely on Jerrah's "Motives" ..... the guy just wants win . Before now he could make moves like this with absolutely no consequences .... Now the teams have to weigh the risk vs reward of giving these people a second opportunity . The rules have changed . Rather than low risk high reward they are looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars in risk with a questionable player , the more valuable the contract the greater the risk .
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I really dont think it has as much to do with "helpin a guy out" or "giving a second chance". Jones just wants to win, and quit being made fun of for great regular seasons and 1st round exits. "End of story"...
Yeah he wants to win but part of that is taking a shot. Its not like he actively looks for felons. They havce a program since the "white house" days with Calvin Hill that they think works. In the SB days they took a chance on a "malcontent" like Haley and he basically helped get them to the SB and never did anythign to make things bad for the team. There are hits and misses...Spellman and Underwood with their mental issues misses. But the Titans are taking the rap on this. Jerry gets a #1 guy who really is a win/win guy. I'm 99% sure he will punk out. I don't like him. But there is that 1% that you get a Haley type deal where the guy is a stud, doesn't make waves and pretty much does his job. For the cheap price, it is worth it.

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Frog, let's not act like Jerrah is the purveyor of redemption here. If he signs Mike Vick or even Rae Carruth someday, it won't be because he believes in giving guys a second chance.

I do however, have your back on you saying that the Cowboys - not being one of the worst teams in the last 5 years or so, with respect to having hoodlums and offenders on their roster..
I know TB...maybe I overstated it..lol. But overall it is a good risk/reward proposition. I think he does his homework a little more than people give him credit for. PacMan is a speeding ticket away from no job basically.
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Not to get back on topic, but:

Actually I think it is a horrible idea unless there is some accommodation on the cap if the team cuts a player for misconduct. Imagine player is drafted with no prior history of misconduct and gets $20 mil up front. Now he has a series of incidents. The team has no right to control the guys conduct outside of scheduled activities. Their only option is to cut him. Totally unfair to fine the team as if they have the right to control his off-duty conduct unless you say fine, no cap hit for letting miscreants go. No if you are in the Vick coming back into the league scenario it is fine because the team is knowingly taking the risk.
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Man.... Cowboy fans get their panties twisted pretty quick.


Honestly, I never get mad on here for the most part..I just look to enlighten..thinking:

I just think 15 years after the fact starts to get a little much when the league is full of teams doing much worse and there are players you just don't know about....Marvin Harrison.
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Not to get back on topic, but:

Actually I think it is a horrible idea unless there is some accommodation on the cap if the team cuts a player for misconduct. Imagine player is drafted with no prior history of misconduct and gets $20 mil up front. Now he has a series of incidents. The team has no right to control the guys conduct outside of scheduled activities. Their only option is to cut him. Totally unfair to fine the team as if they have the right to control his off-duty conduct unless you say fine, no cap hit for letting miscreants go. No if you are in the Vick coming back into the league scenario it is fine because the team is knowingly taking the risk.
I could see where there should be some type of provison for teams that do the right thing when faced by incidents by a previously clean player.
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