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Old 05-02-2008   #21
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I know the fanbase is still scarred from the last regime. But in all honesty it was one year. If it was a reoccuring event year to year and we are all taking bets how many games it takes for Schaub to hit the bench then I'd say there is a LOT to worry about.
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You may not like the rule but it is illegal to drive the QB into the ground.

Eric Winston had to be physically restrained by several teammates. People also forget on the Florence play that most of the team didn't see what happened because they were trying to make a tackle. They just looked around and saw Schaub on the ground.
Thanks for the info, for some reason I did not see it or hear about it, but I will take you at your word.
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that play was 100% legal and is an example of the mindset it takes to be a successful defensive unit. We all know Haynesworth is a scumbag and has done many cheap things on the field, but the Schaub tackle was not one of them. His job is to punish the QB, sack him, and knock him out of the game. That is Football 101. He did his job and did it within the confines of the rules. Did he put all his weight down on him and wrap his arms up? yes, he did, but that is legal and was not penalized. Sometimes you have to send a message just like in baseball. If someone hurts one of your guys legally then its your job to do the same as retribution and justice.

maybe if our team made more plays like that and delivered more punishment out we wouldnt find ourselves on the wrong end of so many asswhoopins? When Florence cheapshotted Schaub and took him out, what did we do? Nothing except get beat. You can't have that loser mentality and expect to win consistently. We didn't even blitz Rivers after that cheapshot, after all then Rivers may have gotten hurt. That isn't football in Kubiak's and Richard Smith's eyes. Kubiak did a good job keeping the ship afloat last year after the bad start but you gotta be the aggressor more than we are showing and our team is pretty pillowy soft. That mindset starts uptop with Kubes. Hopefully he takes the gloves off one day.




I'd like to send Kubiak to the Jerry Glanvillie school of KICK THEIR ASS ..... I guess bounties dont work as well in todays game as they did back then ....

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Also, how familiar is anyone on the shoulder injury Schaub suffered his senior season in college? Which shoulder was it? Did he have surgery to fix that injury.... are they linked to this past year? And should we be more confident due to him having surgery on his shoulder and feel as though its a mini trend that could be offset due to the procedure?
As stated by previous posters, he hurt his right shoulder--third degree shoulder separation--at Virginia in the first game of his senior year. First drive of the season, in fact. As far as I know, he's never had another injury to his throwing shoulder.

He missed the rest of that first game and then the two games after that, but he returned in the fourth game. He was clearly not 100% at first as his throws lacked zip. After a couple of games, though, he was back to his old self.

Schaub started 25+ games at UVA and took some enormous hits--his knack, then as now, was getting the ball out at the last possible moment (e.g., his first TD throw in the Carolina game). That allows him the maximum possibility of success on a given play, but makes him more vulnerable to pass-rushing kill shots--in contrast to QBs who cover up and concede the sack before the big hit comes.
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IMO, Schaub should be OK by the season opener and will definitely be improved over last year. As far as retaliation, I would like to see our team slobberknocker evry single team on every single play to retaliate for 6 non winning seasons. Seriously, I would like to see the intensity ratcheted up on our entire D and on our O-line. If they would all play with the same passion that DROB, Mario and Demeco play with, we would be in good shape.
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I'd like to send Kubiak to the Jerry Glanvillie school of KICK THEIR ASS ..... I guess bounties dont work as well in todays game as they did back then ....
Back when Glanville was winning all those Super Bowls? ?
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The left shoulder injury (what he's still re-habbing) was not due to a cheap shot.
Good thing I never said that.

Some of his other injuries that kept him out of games were from cheap shots. He has been labeled 'fragile' by some fans because of his injuries, obviously including those.

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that play was 100% legal and is an example of the mindset it takes to be a successful defensive unit.
Regardless if Haynesworth was cleared on that personal foul call, he is a thug and not the mentality we need on this team. Good teams do not need dirty players to win. You need dominant players who are driven to succeed.
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The only reason Haynesworth was flagged on that play was due to the referee calling it a helmet to helmet hit.

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The only reason Haynesworth was flagged on that play was due to the referee calling it a helmet to helmet hit.

Hence the concussion that took him out of the game... I think justifying the flag. I wish that big guy did not play in our division.

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Hence the concussion that took him out of the game... I think justifying the flag. I wish that big guy did not play in our division.
Well, you have to remember that we had Flabbygan QBing our Oline at the time.

Needless to say, I was happy as a lark to see him cut. He was painful to watch.
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The cheap shots against San Diego and in the 1st TN game resulted in concussions. The shoulder injury came on a clean sack in the 2nd TN game.
Okay, here is some random speculation and drivel that might only be interesting to me.

IIRC, the play before the sack that injured Schaub, he was very much rushed on a pass play. The Titans were in the backfield almost right away and put their hand on Schaub.

And at that point, I was hoping for the next play to be a running play, because the Titans were all up in Schaub's kitchen the play before. And then we all know what happened next.

The Titans have a great defensive line when the fatman is in the game. Even so, I almost thought that the Titans knew actually when the Texans were going to be doing runs versus passes.

There's been speculation that some of this was because of the way that Sherman did run blocking versus pass blocking on the line. That the spacing is different. Often, they would do the obvious formations that suggested running (though sometimes they would pass out of that).

To generalize, Sherman's form of offense suggests "hey we are going to run, and we don't care if you know."

The hallmark of Denver's Shanahan type play has been that you can't tell if it is a run or a pass by the way they block or what personnel are on the field. That TEs, FBs and RBs are expected to be good pass catchers. That the blocking in the ZBS looks to defenders to be the same whether it is a run or a pass. It keeps the defenders off balance when the feel of the blocking is the same.

I think one of the keys to Schaub staying healthy is to be able to get a reliable running game that teams have to respect. In addition, having Gibbs' style of ZBS may help in reducing teams from knowing run or pass based on offensive line spacing and type of blocking.

I don't know if the Titans defense had detected "tells" as it related to the Texans offense, but sometimes it looked like they knew what the play was going to be before it was run. The Titans had one of the best defensive lines in the league last year, but they seemed to give the Texans more problems than any other team--so I wonder if they figured some stuff out.

/just stuff noodling around in my head.
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Okay, here is some random speculation and drivel that might only be interesting to me.

IIRC, the play before the sack that injured Schaub, he was very much rushed on a pass play. The Titans were in the backfield almost right away and put their hand on Schaub.

And at that point, I was hoping for the next play to be a running play, because the Titans were all up in Schaub's kitchen the play before. And then we all know what happened next.
On that play, Haynesworth and the DE (I don't recall who it was) stunted. Salaam did not pass his guy off. He just stayed with him and didn't shift to blocking Haynesworth. That's why Haynesworth was just running free like that.

I don't know if Salaam didn't realize what was going on and didn't read the stunt but I don't see how that's possible. Maybe Salaam was held and pulled inside. I don't know but I expect better play from my LT. Sallam didn't even try to lay a hand on Haynesworth.

My fear is that a rookie tackle should be even more susceptible to those sorts of stunts than a veteran tackle. On the other hand, if this was just a failure on Salaam's part because of bad coaching, I expect Gibbs to fix this. And on the other other hand, maybe Brown is more athletic and will be able to recover more quickly than Salaam.

I don't think there was really a point to this post but I felt compelled to post it anyway.
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isn't that the one where Fat Albert drove him into the ground?
No.

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Regardless if Haynesworth was cleared on that personal foul call.
Just to be clear, Haynesworth was not cleared as in it shouldn't have been called, he just wasn't fined on top of the penalty. That happens all the time and isn't a reversal.

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IIRC, the play before the sack that injured Schaub, he was very much rushed on a pass play. The Titans were in the backfield almost right away and put their hand on Schaub.
Agree with some of the remainder of your post, but Schaub was injured on a 1st and 10, 1st play of the drive.

Hero of the game (half sarcastic) Sage then came in and fumbled the ball on the next play.
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The reason Schaub gets injured is because he tries to make plays. He knows he is going to get pummeled, yet still tries to look downfield and make something.

David Carr hardly ever got injured....because he folded as soon as the ball was hiked.
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Just to be clear, Haynesworth was not cleared as in it shouldn't have been called, he just wasn't fined on top of the penalty. That happens all the time and isn't a reversal.



Agree with some of the remainder of your post, but Schaub was injured on a 1st and 10, 1st play of the drive.

Hero of the game (half sarcastic) Sage then came in and fumbled the ball on the next play.

I believe we are talking different injuries:

I'm talking about the second game, where Odom got him:

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2-R.Bironas kicks 65 yards from TEN 30 to HOU 5. 11-A.Davis to HOU 21 for 16 yards (30-E.King).
1-10-HOU 21 (3:57) 36-R.Dayne up the middle to HOU 28 for 7 yards (93-K.Vanden Bosch).
2-3-HOU 28 (3:20) 8-M.Schaub pass incomplete short middle to 81-O.Daniels (93-K.Vanden Bosch) [93-K.Vanden Bosch].
3-3-HOU 28 (3:16) 8-M.Schaub sacked at HOU 21 for -7 yards (98-A.Odom). #8 M. Schaub was injured on the play.
4-10-HOU 21 (3:02) (Punt formation) 1-M.Turk punts 32 yards to TEN 47, Center-48-B.Pittman, fair catch by 31-C.Finnegan.
It's third and 3. The Titans got their hands on Schaub on second down for an incomplete short middle pass. They were back there really fast. Enough to get his blood pressure up, I'm sure. I'm thinking it is a good time for a running play, a breather, because they were in Schaub's face right away and it is only three yards. Just anything other than a drop back to pass. Please. I'm yelling run run run.

Schaub gets crunched by Odom.

Sometimes when there is blood in the water, you need to get out of it even if it makes people think you are a coward. I didn't like the play calling there, and I think having a legit running game will slow the pass rush some.
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Schaub's left shoulder was injured in the game @ Tennessee on a sack by Antwan Odom.

Will ol' number 73 would have reared back and attempted a corner kick on Odoms jockstrap right there.
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Will ol' number 73 would have reared back and attempted a corner kick on Odoms jockstrap right there.
Ol number 73 how long ago ?

For the record , I kinda wanted to see some anger from the Ol on that play .
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Earlier this evening, Warren Sapp was on the Dan Patrick show on 790AM. He referred to Chris Chandler as Chandelier Chandler. When asked why, he said "because he's easy to break."

I'd really like to not have a QB earn that rep on our team. Haynesworth already talks like that about MS. It'll only take a couple more episodes before something like that sticks.
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Earlier this evening, Warren Sapp was on the Dan Patrick show on 790AM. He referred to Chris Chandler as Chandelier Chandler. When asked why, he said "because he's easy to break."

I'd really like to not have a QB earn that rep on our team. Haynesworth already talks like that about MS. It'll only take a couple more episodes before something like that sticks.
In all fairness to Schaub , I don't think Albert realizes that our #8 QB is not the same person it was in 2007 .
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