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Old 05-02-2008   #1
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This is a BIG year for Matt. We bring in Alex Gibbs, and draft a LT. O-line will hopefully soon be a non issue. I do understand that Matt was hurt on a couple of brutal hits and one for sure cheap shot. Even still, I am a bit worried about our investment in Matt and have some doubts that he can stay healthy at this point. Some guys just cant take the hits. Thus the reason I was happy we stuck with Sage. However, I deeply want Matt to make it through this season and really start to prove Kubiak right in regards to the trade. It starts with better protection, check. Now its up to Matt to show us he is not a man made of glass.

Also, how familiar is anyone on the shoulder injury Schaub suffered his senior season in college? Which shoulder was it? Did he have surgery to fix that injury.... are they linked to this past year? And should we be more confident due to him having surgery on his shoulder and feel as though its a mini trend that could be offset due to the procedure?

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I think we'll be alright. I watched an NFL Films "America's Game" last night about the '86 Giants, and prior to that season, QB Phil Simms had been injured three seasons in a row, benched a season, and then started again in '86. He was labeled all kinds of things, but Parcells stuck with him and the rest is history.

So point being, we should not rush to judgment on MS based upon injuries caused by two cheap shots. I believe in him because our HC believes in him, and I truly think he's only going to get better the more he plays.
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The left shoulder injury (what he's still re-habbing) was not due to a cheap shot.
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I think we'll be alright. I watched an NFL Films "America's Game" last night about the '86 Giants, and prior to that season, QB Phil Simms had been injured three seasons in a row, benched a season, and then started again in '86. He was labeled all kinds of things, but Parcells stuck with him and the rest is history.

So point being, we should not rush to judgment on MS based upon injuries caused by two cheap shots. I believe in him because our HC believes in him, and I truly think he's only going to get better the more he plays.
I definitely believe in this regime and thus believe in Schaub. And I am definitely trying to chaulk it up to the cheap shots in my mind. Fat Albert and the cheap shot in SD should have not happened.

Btw... I know he got knocked out of the second Titans game too... just dont recall how it went down?

But you are right, no one can possibly come to any legit conclusions after one year of starting. Even still, its still a big year for him to prove he can play a full season as a starter considering what we gave up for him.
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Also, how familiar is anyone on the shoulder injury Schaub suffered his senior season in college? Which shoulder was it?
Schaub injured his right shoulder his senior year at Virginia. His left shoulder was injured last season.
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Schaub injured his right shoulder his senior year at Virginia. His left shoulder was injured last season.
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The left shoulder injury (what he's still re-habbing) was not due to a cheap shot.
isn't that the one where Fat Albert drove him into the ground? if so, then it's up to individual interpretation as to whether or not it was a cheap shot.

I favor the side that he purposedly launched himself and drove downward on purpose. There's tackling, and then tackling with intent to injure.
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isn't that the one where Fat Albert drove him into the ground? if so, then it's up to individual interpretation as to whether or not it was a cheap shot.

I favor the side that he purposedly launched himself and drove downward on purpose. There's tackling, and then tackling with intent to injure.
I think that was the first game vs. the Titans...def. cheap if you axe me. Didnt Schaub get knocked out in the second game against them too?
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Schaub's left shoulder was injured in the game @ Tennessee on a sack by Antwan Odom.

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isn't that the one where Fat Albert drove him into the ground? if so, then it's up to individual interpretation as to whether or not it was a cheap shot.

I favor the side that he purposedly launched himself and drove downward on purpose. There's tackling, and then tackling with intent to injure.
The cheap shots against San Diego and in the 1st TN game resulted in concussions. The shoulder injury came on a clean sack in the 2nd TN game.
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The cheap shots against San Diego and in the 1st TN game resulted in concussions. The shoulder injury came on a clean sack in the 2nd TN game.
The concussions from the first two times being knocked out are def. understandable considering when you watch those two hits. One, a COMPLETE blindside blast cheap shot to the helmet after an INT by the Chargers, and two... the helmet to helmet crush by Fat Albert when he drove him into the ground that resulted in a penalty. Understandable and both should not have happened imo. I know, the Albert one is debatable sure as being cheap or not...but who would have survived that one anyway?

So it can really be isolated to the shoulder injury by Odom. One play, one real injury to the shoulder on the year. Not enough to totally concern me after thinking it through...especially considering our O-line should be even better next year.

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I think people can be worried about Schaub's health for the reason he did get injured last year and that he's our starting QB we've invested a lot in (draft picks & $$$).

I myself do not think Schaub is frail, weak, or injury prone. Could I be wrong? of course- but it's just my opinion that's not even based on factual information so take it for what it's worth.

Maybe I'm just really optimistic, but I really do see something special in Matt Schaub, especially being on the Texans. I'm thankful, it's his non-throwing shoulder that was injured and sounds to be healing fine. I'm glad Kubiak did the smart thing last year but not risking anything more and keeping Sage in at the end of the season.

I think Schaub really understands the game of football, the position of QB, what he's supposed to do, and what the defense is trying to do. I think Schaub and AJ are going to be posting up some monster numbers in their career and do some great things.

Does this get you excited!??
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INDEED! Having a now 100% healthy Schaub after surgery and a 100% AJ back this year for the full season will only vault our passing attack even more. Couple that with our revamped O-line and Alex Gibbs pure zone blocking scheme with our RB stable now fully healthy along with adding RB homerun threat Slaton.... Our O should be very entertaining with a more experienced Matt running the show.
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isn't that the one where Fat Albert drove him into the ground? if so, then it's up to individual interpretation as to whether or not it was a cheap shot.

I favor the side that he purposedly launched himself and drove downward on purpose. There's tackling, and then tackling with intent to injure.
that play was 100% legal and is an example of the mindset it takes to be a successful defensive unit. We all know Haynesworth is a scumbag and has done many cheap things on the field, but the Schaub tackle was not one of them. His job is to punish the QB, sack him, and knock him out of the game. That is Football 101. He did his job and did it within the confines of the rules. Did he put all his weight down on him and wrap his arms up? yes, he did, but that is legal and was not penalized. Sometimes you have to send a message just like in baseball. If someone hurts one of your guys legally then its your job to do the same as retribution and justice.

maybe if our team made more plays like that and delivered more punishment out we wouldnt find ourselves on the wrong end of so many asswhoopins? When Florence cheapshotted Schaub and took him out, what did we do? Nothing except get beat. You can't have that loser mentality and expect to win consistently. We didn't even blitz Rivers after that cheapshot, after all then Rivers may have gotten hurt. That isn't football in Kubiak's and Richard Smith's eyes. Kubiak did a good job keeping the ship afloat last year after the bad start but you gotta be the aggressor more than we are showing and our team is pretty pillowy soft. That mindset starts uptop with Kubes. Hopefully he takes the gloves off one day.
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that play was 100% legal and is an example of the mindset it takes to be a successful defensive unit. We all know Haynesworth is a scumbag and has done many cheap things on the field, but the Schaub tackle was not one of them. His job is to punish the QB, sack him, and knock him out of the game. That is Football 101. He did his job and did it within the confines of the rules. Did he put all his weight down on him and wrap his arms up? yes, he did, but that is legal and was not penalized. Sometimes you have to send a message just like in baseball. If someone hurts one of your guys legally then its your job to do the same as retribution and justice.
Right or wrong.... he did get flagged on that play. Sure you can call it a BS flag, but the ref didnt see it that way obviously.
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INDEED! Having a now 100% healthy Schaub after surgery and a 100% AJ back this year for the full season will only vault our passing attack even more. Couple that with our revamped O-line and Alex Gibbs pure zone blocking scheme with our RB stable now fully healthy along with adding RB homerun threat Slaton.... Our O should be very entertaining with a more experienced Matt running the show.
I forgot to add that. I think with the OL getting better Schaub shouldn't get hit as much as he did last year. (even though I would agree our OL was much improved than prior years too).
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I would've loved to seen Winston squarely kick Odom in the junk right there. It looks like Winston is thinking about it anyway.
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that play was 100% legal and is an example of the mindset it takes to be a successful defensive unit. We all know Haynesworth is a scumbag and has done many cheap things on the field, but the Schaub tackle was not one of them. His job is to punish the QB, sack him, and knock him out of the game. That is Football 101. He did his job and did it within the confines of the rules. Did he put all his weight down on him and wrap his arms up? yes, he did, but that is legal and was not penalized. Sometimes you have to send a message just like in baseball. If someone hurts one of your guys legally then its your job to do the same as retribution and justice.

maybe if our team made more plays like that and delivered more punishment out we wouldnt find ourselves on the wrong end of so many asswhoopins? When Florence cheapshotted Schaub and took him out, what did we do? Nothing except get beat. You can't have that loser mentality and expect to win consistently. We didn't even blitz Rivers after that cheapshot, after all then Rivers may have gotten hurt. That isn't football in Kubiak's and Richard Smith's eyes. Kubiak did a good job keeping the ship afloat last year after the bad start but you gotta be the aggressor more than we are showing and our team is pretty pillowy soft. That mindset starts uptop with Kubes. Hopefully he takes the gloves off one day.
Most times in the NFL it is always the person who retailates that get flagged and fined. Playing legal hard football is one thin but if you the mindset lets do anything we can to retaliate it is going to cost you more than it will to help the teams psychy. Of course I would have preferred someone to get in the face of Florance versus just walking off. But to try and go after them is not a good sign mentally.
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that play was 100% legal and is an example of the mindset it takes to be a successful defensive unit. We all know Haynesworth is a scumbag and has done many cheap things on the field, but the Schaub tackle was not one of them. His job is to punish the QB, sack him, and knock him out of the game. That is Football 101. He did his job and did it within the confines of the rules. Did he put all his weight down on him and wrap his arms up? yes, he did, but that is legal and was not penalized. Sometimes you have to send a message just like in baseball. If someone hurts one of your guys legally then its your job to do the same as retribution and justice.
You may not like the rule but it is illegal to drive the QB into the ground.

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Of course I would have preferred someone to get in the face of Florance versus just walking off. But to try and go after them is not a good sign mentally.
Eric Winston had to be physically restrained by several teammates. People also forget on the Florence play that most of the team didn't see what happened because they were trying to make a tackle. They just looked around and saw Schaub on the ground.

PS--Ben Roethlisberger has missed games every year of his career. Evidently the Steelers didn't think he was an injury prone pansy when they gave him a $100 mil contract. It's football people.
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I have faith that MS will not break down again. Wait, that didn't sound right.
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