2008 O-Linemen

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by Heath Shuler

Do you think a 340-350 pound lineman fits Gibbs plans for a guard?

If Spencer's healthy, he'll likely have a playing weight around 325 lbs. And yes, he's plenty athletic to play guard for Gibbs- if the knee is sound.

[edo783]

Originally Posted by Heath Shuler

Do you think a 340-350 pound lineman fits Gibbs plans for a guard?

At 320-330 think of Spencer as a dansing bear. The guy had some very good feet and moves, but he had a hand punch that would stop a charging rihno. I suspect he won't ever get back to LT level, but he could be one heck of a "Destroyer of worlds" (ode to YTF) from a guard position.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Heath Shuler

Do you think a 340-350 pound lineman fits Gibbs plans for a guard?

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

If Spencer's healthy, he'll likely have a playing weight around 325 lbs. And yes, he's plenty athletic to play guard for Gibbs- if the knee is sound.

Originally Posted by edo783

At 320-330 think of Spencer as a dansing bear. The guy had some very good feet and moves, but he had a hand punch that would stop a charging rihno. I suspect he won't ever get back to LT level, but he could be one heck of a "Destroyer of worlds" (ode to YTF) from a guard position.

What those two guys said. I think folks have way, way overemphasized the size aspect of Gibbs' system. I think what he looks for are guys with good feet and a willingness/personality to get down field. Guys like Pitts and Spencer fit that mold.

[Heath Shuler]

Originally Posted by edo783

At 320-330 think of Spencer as a dansing bear. The guy had some very good feet and moves, but he had a hand punch that would stop a charging rihno. I suspect he won't ever get back to LT level, but he could be one heck of a "Destroyer of worlds" (ode to YTF) from a guard position.

It has been so long since he played I look up his combine times:
Numbers:: At the Combine he ran the 40-yard dash in 5.32 seconds and did 30 reps in the 225-pound bench press.
http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplay...eport#scouting

I'm hopeful he can get on the field, but I'll believe it when I see it.

[threetoedpete]

Originally Posted by Hagar

Interesting twist, any particular reason you think this will be the line-up or is this for conversation sake?

Winston is the only guy last year that consistantly knocked people in the second level in the dirt. I put that at LG. LG, that's where you want your most destructive weapon. Back side cuts, Erick will get there.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by threetoedpete

Winston is the only guy last year that consistantly knocked people in the second level in the dirt. I put that at LG. LG, that's where you want your most destructive weapon. Back side cuts, Erick will get there.

Seriously--put down the crack pipe. They are not moving Winston to LG.

[threetoedpete]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Seriously--put down the crack pipe. They are not moving Winston to LG.

Got 'er saved cak.

[edo783]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Seriously--put down the crack pipe. They are not moving Winston to LG.

I'm not sure it's crack, sounds more like LSD. Absolutly delusionl. But then, my hold on reality is.......loose.

[kiwitexansfan]

I was thinking when Brown wins the LT spot, Salaam may go over to RT, meaning Winston could go inside.... That is if you want your 5 best OL on the field.

[DiehardChris]

I really hope you guys are right about Spencer. Seeing him at guard between Myers and Winston would give us quite a fearsome line.

[Giant Tiger]

Originally Posted by DiehardChris

I really hope you guys are right about Spencer. Seeing him at guard between Myers and Winston would give us quite a fearsome line.

That's what I'm hoping for too

[BattleRedToro]

Why is it assumed by many that Spencer would play RG?

Why wouldn't he move to LG?

I would think that it would be a more natural move for a former LT.


Also Branden Frye will be competing for playing time as a Guard and not a Tackle, just in case anyone wanted to know. I heard Kubiak on the radio talking about converting him from a College OT to a Pro OG.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by BattleRedToro

Why is it assumed by many that Spencer would play RG?

Why wouldn't he move to LG?

I would think that it would be a more natural move for a former LT.

Because you have a guy at LG who is a four year starter and no clear starter at RG. Why make two guys change position instead of one?

[bigbrewster2000]

Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan

I was thinking when Brown wins the LT spot, Salaam may go over to RT, meaning Winston could go inside.... That is if you want your 5 best OL on the field.

If you want your best 5 guys on the line then Salaam should not be at RT. Winston is a better lineman at this point than Salaam is. That was very evident last season.

[HOU-TEX]

Originally Posted by threetoedpete

Winston is the only guy last year that consistantly knocked people in the second level in the dirt. I put that at LG. LG, that's where you want your most destructive weapon. Back side cuts, Erick will get there.

Yep, why would we want to keep a player in a position he's basically dominated for a season and a half. Pete, I think kastofanal's rubbing off on you a bit too much.

Crazy I tell ya, just crazy.

Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan

I was thinking when Brown wins the LT spot, Salaam may go over to RT, meaning Winston could go inside.... That is if you want your 5 best OL on the field.

kiwi, I think Salaam will move back to the position he was brought here for and that's the swing for both OT positions. IMO, Winston has proven he's the best player for the RT position. Salaam's a backup.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Seriously--put down the crack pipe. They are not moving Winston to LG.

True, it's unlikely. However, I have a couple points:

1. With Gibbs' zone blocking scheme, the guards are a greater emphasis in relastion to tackles than in any other system. In other words, a move inward by Winston under Gibbs wouldn't be anything like a demotion.

2. In the unlikely event that Duane Brown turns into a good LT and Spencer returns to pre-injury form, if both happen, I'd say a possibility would be to put Spencer at RT and slide Winston in at RG. Spencer would likely dominate at RT and Winston's athleticism and quickness would be better utilized inside, where he could get his head across the Mike on a stretch play away from his side.

[Ole Miss Texan]

Originally Posted by threetoedpete

Winston is the only guy last year that consistantly knocked people in the second level in the dirt. I put that at LG. LG, that's where you want your most destructive weapon. Back side cuts, Erick will get there.

Interesting notion there. I'm looking forward to seeing what Gibbs is going to do with all these players and where they line up. I think in Gibbs' mind, he's starting from a clean slate and will test people out at whatever positions he wants to try (although he may play around with that in his mind 1st).



What were Spencer's biggest strengths, in the limited time we saw him play? Was he better at pass blocking or run blocking, or was he decent at both?

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

True, it's unlikely. However, I have a couple points:

1. With Gibbs' zone blocking scheme, the guards are a greater emphasis in relastion to tackles than in any other system. In other words, a move inward by Winston under Gibbs wouldn't be anything like a demotion.

2. In the unlikely event that Duane Brown turns into a good LT and Spencer returns to pre-injury form, if both happen, I'd say a possibility would be to put Spencer at RT and slide Winston in at RG. Spencer would likely dominate at RT and Winston's athleticism and quickness would be better utilized inside, where he could get his head across the Mike on a stretch play away from his side.

Well argued, but (a) the Texans have already talked about moving Spencer (the Spencer that had the quickness to play LT) to G not Winston and (b) this is really only coming up because threetoedpete hates Pitts and he was trying to project a scenario to get rid of him.

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by Ole Miss Texan

Interesting notion there. I'm looking forward to seeing what Gibbs is going to do with all these players and where they line up. I think in Gibbs' mind, he's starting from a clean slate and will test people out at whatever positions he wants to try (although he may play around with that in his mind 1st).



What were Spencer's biggest strengths, in the limited time we saw him play? Was he better at pass blocking or run blocking, or was he decent at both?

What I recall about Spencer was , he was a good with his hands . In fact I read where he had the hardest punch that they ( scouts ) had seen in awhile .

I remember reading that he was'nt the fastest out of his stance either but once again he would beat the hell out of you . I guess he would be like EriK Williams of the Cowboys ... big and nasty .

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Well argued, but (a) the Texans have already talked about moving Spencer (the Spencer that had the quickness to play LT) to G not Winston and (b) this is really only coming up because threetoedpete hates Pitts and he was trying to project a scenario to get rid of him.

sorry, I totally missed the hidden agenda..

Anyway, regarding Spencer's move to guard, I think that's the plan to start with. Somewhere in the back of their minds I believe there is a plan to consider moving him to tackle if he returns to form. I know that LZ believes that's a possibility- I'm not sure if that is simply his opinion or not.

All that being said, I'd need about 5-1 odds before I'd lay any money on it.