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Old 04-29-2008   #21
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maybe Gibbs still thinks he can work with him even after the injury ??
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The whole team sucked in 2002, well except billy miller right? they still werent the worst line in history, just very mediocre. Carr just made them look like the worst in history.
Relax, I said "worst unit in football for a few years running". It was only really bad for a few years, but never worst ever ever period.
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David Carr and his NFL Sack king title in 2002.

EDIT: maybe that should be sack jester.
thought it was weigart at starting RG not weary at the time with wade at tackle?
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Easy there, Ringo. It's not like that statement's way out of line, is it?
Ringo? Are we friends? Instead of talking out of his crack maybe he should support his statement. Bring substance or bring nothing at all. (I'm referring to b0ng and the same lame lines year after year)

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David Carr and his NFL Sack king title in 2002.

EDIT: maybe that should be sack jester.
Here we go again with the David Carr thing? How has the line help up since Mickey Mouse moved on? Not too bad huh?
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Ringo? Are we friends? Instead of talking out of his crack maybe he should support his statement. Bring substance or bring nothing at all. (I'm referring to b0ng and the same lame lines year after year)

Here we go again with the David Carr thing? How has the line help up since Mickey Mouse moved on? Not too bad huh?
Argue with the numbers all you want, but 70 sacks is 70 sacks anyway you slice it. Just because Carr was absolutely terrible doesn't mean the line gets a free pass, because that was just a special kind of bad. All parties involved are guilty.

And no, that is not an outlandish statement and I think anybody who has to defend a statement like that should get to ban one poster of their choosing off the board for forever.
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how does that relate to weary? because he didn't start?

Riley,Pitts,McKinney,Weigart,wade
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how does that relate to weary? because he didn't start?

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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print...061&type=story
He still played right? Or did he sit the entire year.

Either way, it's 5 years later, he's taken a paycut for WHATEVER reason and anybody can form their own opinion why.

Good signing.

And yes, he was still apart of one of the worst units in football for a few years running.
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He still played right? Or did he sit the entire year.

Either way, it's 5 years later, he's taken a paycut for WHATEVER reason and anybody can form their own opinion why.

Good signing.

And yes, he was still apart of one of the worst units in football for a few years running.
I would think paycut is part of the injury that was sustained
stats I found was
2006 15 games
2007 12 games
career totals 27 games from espn

D-Rob sustained an injury also at a bad time.. Texans may sign him for some bucks but with the injury, he won't get the am't he would have got if he didn't have the injury(nature of the beast)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/player...?playerId=3594
shows 2005 4 games under defense so I am assuming that was on ST

offensively it was all on 2006-2007

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Worst case he's a okay starter and solid backup to have.

Guy is familiar with the personnel and scheme. I don't think so much we'll see a dramatic shift in scheme much as dramatic improvement under Gibbs.

It's not like he signed for for the amount Tenn paid for Jake Scott or Jets for Faneca.
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He still played right? Or did he sit the entire year.

Either way, it's 5 years later, he's taken a paycut for WHATEVER reason and anybody can form their own opinion why.

Good signing.

And yes, he was still apart of one of the worst units in football for a few years running.
Under the Capers regime he only started due to injury--12 games as a rookie and then 7 games over the next three years.

Technically he did not take a pay cut. He was UFA so he had no contract. The whatever reason is clearly injury. In any event, he is actually making more money this year than last year and so didn't take a pay cut at all--he just didn't get the big contract he would have if not injured.
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I'm a little baffled by the move. Surely he lacks the quickness and athleticism Gibbs is looking for... and, with Frye, Briesel, Spencer, Eslinger, GWhite, Studdard all on the roster- I would think this is just tossing money away. Can someone explain this to me?
Donno how he got this knock from someone who watches as much Texan football as you. Weary has great feet and is very limber (I've seen him do the splits warming up), and has been a pretty darn good lineman the last two years. Probably our most consistently good lineman over the last two years and one of the better athletes among the linemen.
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Donno how he got this knock from someone who watches as much Texan football as you. Weary has great feet and is very limber (I've seen him do the splits warming up), and has been a pretty darn good lineman the last two years. Probably our most consistently good lineman over the last two years and one of the better athletes among the linemen.
Was going to say something similar to this. I don't know how much upside Weary really has, since he got started so late. Whether that was inept coaching or he was just slow to develop in the NFL (bit of both, I'm sure), he's gotten better the past couple years and been a valuable guy.

Injuries always suck, but his came at a really bad time for the franchise and for him personally. I'm pulling for him.
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the guy payed his dues, and the front office let him go his own way. It shows mcnair's character once again. would you like to be released right after an injury after giving your all for over 5 years?
That's the way I see it also. They give him some snaps in the pre season and give him a chance to catch on some where else.
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Donno how he got this knock from someone who watches as much Texan football as you. Weary has great feet and is very limber (I've seen him do the splits warming up), and has been a pretty darn good lineman the last two years. Probably our most consistently good lineman over the last two years and one of the better athletes among the linemen.
Vinny, I know you've been a fan of his since the draft. I've seen such an array of profiles on him that I've never been sure what the book on him actually is. I do know that he ran a pretty slow fourty time- something like 5.40...

Also, I confess, that I have a difficult time assessing interior linemen when I'm watching a game and rarely have I gone through the game on Tivo to check out Weary, usually it's a center I'm watching or some new guy at guard. Oh yeah, and there was the Seth Wand experiment at guard for the one preseason game that totally changed my impression of the guy.

Anyway, I've been generally pleased with his production over the years but I've never seen him as athletic and I can't remember a time when I've seen him with an impressive downfield block. That being said, it is possible that you and Rick Smith, Alex Gibbs, and Gary Kubiak have a better grasp of his ability than I do.
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I'm a little baffled by the move. Surely he lacks the quickness and athleticism Gibbs is looking for... and, with Frye, Briesel, Spencer, Eslinger, GWhite, Studdard all on the roster- I would think this is just tossing money away. Can someone explain this to me?
I just want to know what Gibb's actual "type" of lineman really is. I've heard people on this board say one thing, and then another. I've heard rumor after rumor, but none make sense. I even heard about his crazy diet regimen he puts them on. Then you hear Kubiak laughing about that at a press conference like the reporter was crazy. So seriously.....what is Gibbs wanting from our lineman????
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I just want to know what Gibb's actual "type" of lineman really is. I've heard people on this board say one thing, and then another. I've heard rumor after rumor, but none make sense. I even heard about his crazy diet regimen he puts them on. Then you hear Kubiak laughing about that at a press conference like the reporter was crazy. So seriously.....what is Gibbs wanting from our lineman????
"Instead, Gibbs builds his line around sub-300-pound players who execute superb technique, dance laterally along the line of scrimmage--taking their defensive partners in the direction they dictate--and open running seams for Terrell Davis to exploit his devastating cutbacks. It worked to near--perfection Sunday when the Broncos successfully defended their NFL title with a 34-19 Super Bowl victory over the Falcons."

To read the whole article click here: http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-53877912.html

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The whole team sucked in 2002, well except billy miller right? they still werent the worst line in history, just very mediocre. Carr just made them look like the worst in history.
Correct. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: had we replaced Carr prior to the 2006 season, we could have easily won nine or ten games that year. Some people still don't realize the extent to which Carr was damaging the team's play.
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Are we still paying attention to what McClain says? Wait for training camp and let Alex Gibbs figure it out.



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I just want to know what Gibb's actual "type" of lineman really is. I've heard people on this board say one thing, and then another. I've heard rumor after rumor, but none make sense. I even heard about his crazy diet regimen he puts them on. Then you hear Kubiak laughing about that at a press conference like the reporter was crazy. So seriously.....what is Gibbs wanting from our lineman????
good athletes. Not all big men are good athletes. Some guys are so big and strong that they just maul people...in this system where you ask guys to do more athletic things, those large unathletic big guys (like Todd Wade) just can't handle the more athletic duties. Some really large guys are good athletes but they are harder to find.
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