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Old 04-28-2008   #61
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We better hope that Green and/or Brown remains healthy (as a combination) through the year. If this occurs, and I do believe it will (as a combination), Slaton will be used as a change of pace and possibly 3rd down back. Slaton from what I've seen is a poor man's Reggie Bush (who knows, possibly better, but at a very reasonable cost). As such, he will likely strain between the tackles unless that "perfect hole" is created by the ZBS OL. His size will affect this and his pass blocking ability. Too many plays or too many between the tackle runs that do not "work out" and Slaton will, at best, be limited in endurance, and at worse be rendered to accept crutches as his main form of transportation. Green and Brown, when healthy have shown the ability to carry the load. In alternating combination, they should have a much better chance of staying healthy this season, making it less likely that we lament the lack of having a half dozen backup plans in the coral.
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I don't entirely agree with this. When Green was healthy and feeling good last year, he looked pretty good. Even when he wasn't all that healthy, he still looked good at times. That 50 yard screen pass against the Raiders was nice and would have been better if he had been healthy. He had stretches where he was running hard and looking good.
Meh. I think his stats speak for it self:

3.7 YPC and 2 TDs in 6 games played. If you take out the one long play in Oakland, you have 70 receiving yards in 13 catches...and average of 5.4 yards per catch. Ultimately, Green was rather ineffective on the field. In fact, Ron Dayne (who everyone nagged on last year) was actually more productive than Green was.
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Meh. I think his stats speak for it self:

3.7 YPC and 2 TDs in 6 games played. If you take out the one long play in Oakland, you have 70 receiving yards in 13 catches...and average of 5.4 yards per catch. Ultimately, Green was rather ineffective on the field. In fact, Ron Dayne (who everyone nagged on last year) was actually more productive than Green was.
They played two games together for a heads up comparison.

Kansas City--Green 4.6 ypc, Dayne 2.5 ypc
Carolina--Green 4.7 ypc, Dayne 2.4 ypc.

When healthy, there is no comparison between the two.
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I say, cut Abbate and Cook. Have Chris Taylor as a RB behind Leach, and keep Brown, Slaten, Green, and Walker.
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Meh. I think his stats speak for it self:

3.7 YPC and 2 TDs in 6 games played. If you take out the one long play in Oakland, you have 70 receiving yards in 13 catches...and average of 5.4 yards per catch. Ultimately, Green was rather ineffective on the field. In fact, Ron Dayne (who everyone nagged on last year) was actually more productive than Green was.
Go back and read what I wrote... "when he was healthy". In his first two games (when he was still relatively healthy), he was averaging over 4.5 yards per carry and iirc, in the first halves of those games, he was averaging about 5 yards per carry.

He was injured in the first game but played through it, aggravated it in the second game, and then really hurt himself in the 3rd. He kept trying to play through it. And that's why the stats look bad. After his injury, he didn't run well consistently although he still showed flashes.

You have to be careful with statistics because sometimes they're not saying what you think they're saying. If he's healthy, Green is probably the best back we have on this team. Brown might be close. We'll have to see about Slaton.
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They played two games together for a heads up comparison.

Kansas City--Green 4.6 ypc, Dayne 2.5 ypc
Carolina--Green 4.7 ypc, Dayne 2.4 ypc.

When healthy, there is no comparison between the two.
Two games is not representative of a season, as proven by the end of season stats that show Dayne as the more effective back when starting. If we were to do it that way, I could only mention Dayne's last couple of games this past season and call him the most effective RB in team history.
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Two games is not representative of a season, as proven by the end of season stats that show Dayne as the more effective back when starting. If we were to do it that way, I could only mention Dayne's last couple of games this past season and call him the most effective RB in team history.
Dayne was more effective because he was able to stay healthy, not because he was the better back.
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They played two games together for a heads up comparison.

Kansas City--Green 4.6 ypc, Dayne 2.5 ypc
Carolina--Green 4.7 ypc, Dayne 2.4 ypc.

When healthy, there is no comparison between the two.


The vast majority of Dayne's carries in those two games came in the 4th quarter when the Texans were just trying to run out the clock and the opposing defense knew it.
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The opposing defense was also tired, and the Texans had some fresh legs back there.
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Taylor, Green, Brown, and Slaton will be out 4 RBs. Leech is our FB, with out TE's taking up the slack if worse comes to worse.
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I say we just cut all of our running backs and just leave Ron Dayne in as a every down back and maybe throw in Shawn Alexander as a back up when Ron needs to take a lunch break. LOL
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Slaton makes Walker dispensable.
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Why are people wanting to move one of the RB to FB when we will have 3 going into camp?

Jon Abbate
Jameel Cook
Vonta Leach

Now granted I do not think we will carry 3 on the roster during the regular season or the post-season.
especially considering they love their TE's and they will keep Bruner & and an Extra DT this season. They ain't hacking the TE position. People have been cutting Cook for three years now; or is it four ? I'll believe it when I see it. Not saying he is untouchble...he does make special team plays. Special teams is already down with the loss of Mike Anderson & Hutchins. Barber and the new LB make it...they make it on special teams...first. That's where the empty slots are.
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what makes you say that? we're probably keeping 4 RBs on the roster, and slaton is obviously going to be one of those guys. i have no idea why some of you guys think he's not gonna see the field... none.
He can't read or pick up a blitz ? That'd be one reason. I dunno. But the point is neither do you....or Shanahand. No one is going to know for sure untill this Summer. obvious ? don't know bout that one.
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It seems pretty obvious to me that Walker is out. Kubiak seems high on both Taylor and Green. I believe he thinks IF Green can stay healthy, he can help us out a lot. The problem is that its a huge IF. We signed Brown after we brought in Gibbs because he was supposedly the ideal fit for our scheme, and Slaton is our third round draft pick that Shannahan is in love with. Walker made the most of his situation last year, but he only played because of injuries to Green, Taylor and Dayne (to an extent). What does he have to offer that the others don't?
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He can't read or pick up a blitz ? That'd be one reason. I dunno. But the point is neither do you....or Shanahand. No one is going to know for sure untill this Summer. obvious ? don't know bout that one.
dude... it's obvious. we need his gamebreaking speed and receiving skills in the WORST way, we've never had that type of back in houston... this is as obvious as obvious gets, barring injury, of course. i don't think he's going to be too responsible for pass protection seeing he's more of a third down back... we can place money on it if you'd like.
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ahman will get cut hopefully. i think sherman had a lot to do with getting him here and hes at A&M now.
I'm not sure Ahman could start at A&M either....
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Kubiak himself started that Chris Taylor to FB train of thought during last year's minicamps.

I'm thinking Green, Brown, Taylor, and Staton will be the last RBs standing. Like 3TP said, its likely that Cook will make the special teams again and be the backup FB to Leach. I'm not sure Abbate or Walker makes this year's cut.

But all this is so much speculation.
Can hardly wait for camp.

And didja hear where Mendenhall has already tweaked his hammy and was held out of the last two days of Steeler rookie camp?
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I think you can bank on Slaton making the cut, he has a game breaker quality that the offense needs, he will be the 3rd down back.

Taylor I think makes the roster because Kubiak loves the kid and has been his biggest promoter the last few years.

I think Brown and Green are in a fight to the death for the other spot, and yes I think that one will start, one will be looking for other employment. I see Brown winning that competition.

We'll keep Leach and Cook as we seem to like to carry two FB's as Cook is a valuable ST guy.
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Ahman Green may bounce back but I'm not sold and Chris Brown has never been able to stay healthy as well. I think steve slayton will be the starter by the end of training camp. I really thought that the cowboys did was on point with drafting two running backs. The texans should have drafted another running in the 6th round Like Thomas Brown or Chauncey Washington because I have no faith in Ahman Green or Chris Brown.
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