Carr makes Top 10.....Worst #1 Picks

[2BCF]

Davey, you'll always be #1 in my mind.

http://nfldraft.rivals.com/photofeat...1164&fid=22666

[Texan_Bill]

Funny how Yahoo is displaying both Vick and Carr on their main page - with the link to that article...

[Texaninlild]

The funny thing is if Vick came out the next year, we would have drafted him. I think we were doomed from the start...or just choosing Charlie and Dom to run the club ruined our first years.

[El Tejano]

I don't think you can really say Vick was a bad #1 pick. He did take a crappy ATL team to the NFC championship and for the most part was a threat that DCs had to gameplan for.

Was Tony Mandarich a #1 overall?

[El Tejano]

Originally Posted by Texaninlild

The funny thing is if Vick came out the next year, we would have drafted him. I think we were doomed from the start...or just choosing Charlie and Dom to run the club ruined our first years.

We have alot to thank Vick for too because he said the reason he left college was because we were going to have the #1 pick in 02.

[Double Barrel]

At least Mr. Mittens is in the top 10 of something other than sack records!

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

At least Mr. Mittens is in the top 10 of something other than sack records!

C'mon DB!! You're better than that!!

It's a well known fact that he is tied (with Tony Banks - as a Ram) for 2nd - YES SECOND in most fumbles in a season with 21. (He fell two short of Daunte Culpepper and Kerry Collins. Each with 23).

[Brando]

Originally Posted by El Tejano

I don't think you can really say Vick was a bad #1 pick. He did take a crappy ATL team to the NFC championship and for the most part was a threat that DCs had to gameplan for.

Was Tony Mandarich a #1 overall?

No he was the second pick after Troy Aikman. The Packers could have drafted Barry Sanders, Deion Sanders, or Derrick Thomas.

[ChampionTexan]

Originally Posted by Brando

No he was the second pick after Troy Aikman. The Packers could have drafted Barry Sanders, Deion Sanders, or Derrick Thomas.

I think that's actually on the Wonderlich now - the list of those 5 names with the question "Which of the following doesn't belong on this list?"

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

Funny how Yahoo is displaying both Vick and Carr on their main page - with the link to that article...

Here's the pic that they show:

[Brando]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

Here's the pic that they show:

David Carr: How do I read defenses?
Mike Vick: That dog took a good chunk off my ass.

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by Brando

David Carr: How do I read defenses?
Mike Vick: That dog took a good chunk off my ass.

I though Dave was showing off his 'bangin' soul patch....

[Brando]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

I though Dave was showing off his 'bangin' soul patch....

Ah, zoolander.....







David Zoolander: Have you ever wondered if there was more to life, other than being really, really, ridiculously good looking?
Mike Vick: Yeah, Dog Fighting

[nunusguy]

I never though Carr was a bad pick and I still don't.
Now the way Capers and his cast of coachs "developed" him after he got here and the abysmal job they did in providing him with an adequate OLine
his first couple years, that's another story for sure.
But for whatever reason its seems to remain a local pasttime to bash him even now after he's long gone from the scene.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

But for whatever reason its seems to remain a local pasttime to bash him even now after he's long gone from the scene.

it could be because lots of people around here gave him a good chunk of their money and he tells us that he didn't try that hard when he was here....sounds like 60 million reasons to dislike the guy to me.

[Specnatz]

Originally Posted by Vinny

it could be because lots of people around here gave him a good chunk of their money and he tells us that he didn't try that hard when he was here....sounds like 60 million reasons to dislike the guy to me.

Money? hell we gave him a good chunk of our hearts as well (like we do a lot of players) and not only did he say that be he blamed everyone else on his problems versus being a man and taking ownership of them.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

I never though Carr was a bad pick and I still don't.
Now the way Capers and his cast of coachs "developed" him after he got here and the abysmal job they did in providing him with an adequate OLine
his first couple years, that's another story for sure.

It will be an eternal debate among Texans fans with regards to Carr. Did the team "break him", or was he a flawed talent before he got here?

An argument can be made, either way. But, I do point out the fact that he did not have a dismal third year, so that sort of shows that he still had something that coaches thought was workable at that point. JMO

Originally Posted by nunusguy

But for whatever reason its seems to remain a local pasttime to bash him even now after he's long gone from the scene.

Bud Adams feels his pain.

Obviously Carr did nothing like The Rug, but I think the bitter aftertaste of failure is just something Houston football fans have in them (myself included).

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by Vinny

it could be because lots of people around here gave him a good chunk of their money and he tells us that he didn't try that hard when he was here....sounds like 60 million reasons to dislike the guy to me.

You're saying that fans should feel short-changed for buying tickets to Texans games because Carr now claims that he didn't give it his all on the field ? Ah, if you say he said that OK.
I was glad when he finally left. He was definitely here to long for all concerned. But that kid took some hard beatings. And a lot of them.
My animosity was really towards McNair & the Texans more than Carr for the way his whole situation was handled. What a waste of the first overall pick
and no telling how many lost games and really the inability for the franchise to improve as much as it could have because of the way Carr struggled.

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

You're saying that fans should feel short-changed for buying tickets to Texans games because Carr now claims that he didn't give it his all on the field ? Ah, if you say he said that OK.
I was glad when he finally left. He was definitely here to long for all concerned. But that kid took some hard beatings. And a lot of them.
My animosity was really towards McNair & the Texans more than Carr for the way his whole situation was handled. What a waste of the first overall pick
and no telling how many lost games and really the inability for the franchise to improve as much as it could have because of the way Carr struggled.

I used to agree with a lot of what you're saying, but seriously go back and watch some old games. A lot of those beatings were because of the line BUT a lot of those beatings were self-induced. I was willing to give Carr the entire first season that Kubiak was here (Of course, to many that constituted me being a Carr homer - which I was far from and got pummeled for anyway)... He lost me half way through that season because I realized it wasn't coaching, it wasn't all on the line - it was mostly David.

I don't have the deep seeded hate for Carr, but by the same token, I enjoy funnin' on him a little... It's cathartic. He owes me that, at least..

[Hervoyel]

We weren't "doomed from the start". All we had to do was the obvious thing and take Julius Peppers and things would have proceeded as they should have. We'd have had a brutal defensive line in 2002, a decent linebacking corps, and a veteran secondary. Aaron Glenn and Gary Brown went to the Pro Bowl our first year. Peppers might have joined them. We would have started Tony Banks and I absolutely believe we might have won 6-7 games that season without trying to start a rookie with no football instincts.

We were far from doomed. We just had no real brain trust. It angers me to no end to see Charlie Casserly making a living as a "draft expert" so soon after he demonstrated to the world that any casual fan with a dart board and an internet connection could out-draft him with ease.

I have no professional respect for that man at all and would gladly say that to his face if given the opportunity.