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Old 04-21-2008   #101
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Default Re: Rosenfels Traded Before the Draft?

Threads get merged together when they're closely related in subject matter. It keeps the board from having 6-7 threads about the same thing going at one time.

I imagine someone merged it with the older existing thread.
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Did something happen? Why did the title to this thread change?
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Uhh it says Sage to Baltimore. Though it did say Rosenfels Traded Before the Draft? (or something like that).
Nope someone thought it would be fun to start a new thread and a new rumor because we did not have enough of that in the first place. This thread was started when McNair retired.
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the Texan's moved up for a top end tackle, that would be a comitment to the QB poition that they've never made before....I'll believe it when I see it.

agreed only a fool or a baseball writer would not recognise that this could be the richest offensive line tallent in NFL draft history. and the Texan's history suggests they will wiff one more time.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
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I couldn't have said it better myself.
Then please explain - what do you mean by "Wiffing", and what about the Texans history (current regime only please) suggests they will "wiff"?
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Listening to Lance Z. this morning, he did a review of all 32 teams and their draft picks over the last 6 years. It was his opinion that the Texans wouldn't even be in the top 10 of worst drafts over that time period. He cited 4th round picks like DDW who gave the Texans way more production than could have been anticipated. He even threw out Jerome Mathis as a guy who was picked in the 4th round who was productive in his rookie year, by making the Pro-Bowl and being named an All-Pro. CC Brown (love 'em or hate 'em) was mentioned and has been a starter. Add in Chester Pitts, Dunta Robinson, DeMeco Ryans, etc., etc...

Yes, there have been a lot of misses, but to say the Texans have blown all their drafts is pretty short-sighted. Other teams have fallen woefully shorter than the Texans in the drafting department. Hopefully with the new regime - those misses will further and fewer in between.
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I think the Texans should take a 3rd for him. We only have 5 draft picks this year and honestly, Sage wasn't all that great last year. Yea he made some plays, but he also threw alot of interceptions, and just errant passes. He's really lucky he didn't throw more. I think Sage is a great backup, but I don't think he is a starter.

I was watching that Tennessee vs Houston game and that come back really wasn't Sage's doing. He threw an interception on his first pass. He also threw one to Bulluck later on, and almost another one to a linebacker toward the end of the game. Just really bad decisions. He was late on quite a few throws, and honestly that throw he made to Andre Davis at the end was Andre Davis' play.

The receivers made some great plays, and ran some great routes. Walter was killing the guy covering him. Sage missed alot of passes to receivers; he was either late or just didn't hit the receiver. Sage played well, but even in that performance I wouldn't label him a starting quarterback. You just can't stare receivers down or you will get intercepted ... ALOT.

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I am truly shocked at the reasons some of you are floating on why Quin signed with Texans. He has seen the passion and the words of wisdom and insight expressed on this MB. How could any player turn a ridiculously cheap contract down with no off the record promise of being #2 and know how kindly he will be treated by the fans of this board?
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I am truly shocked at the reasons some of you are floating on why Quin signed with Texans. He has seen the passion and the words of wisdom and insight expressed on this MB. How could any player turn a ridiculously cheap contract down with no off the record promise of being #2 and know how kindly he will be treated by the fans of this board?
I'll throw my reason too. He heard people on this board LOVE backup Qbs.
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I think the closer to the draft we get the more Sage's value climbs and one of those teams with a huge questionmark at QB ... Minn , GB , Balt , Chiago (couple others less likely to be involved) may panic and give up the farm (#2or 3) for Sage . He did play pretty well last season (Sometimes better than MS) and could probably step into one of those situations and do well ... Would I hate to see him go ? Absolutely . Would I pull the trigger for the right deal ? Absolutely .
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Default Re: Sage to Baltimore?

The Vikings already offered pick #73 in this year's draft for Rosenfels and the Texans turned that offer down. Kubiak obviously understands Sage's value to this team, more so than some of the fans do. That means pretty much the only way Sage will be traded is if a team offers a draft pick higher than #73, which is not likely to happen.
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I got an of the wall idea...how about if we move up by sending Sage to Baltimore for the 8 pick and they can have our 18....Would that work?
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I don't know how it works in the new draft chart, but moving from 18 to a top ten pick would usually take a 2nd a 1st this year and next year, maybe a 3rd this year.

Now is Sage worth a future 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd draft pick?

BTW, I pulled that number out of my ***, but when you make that kind of jump in draft selection, its usually something crazy like that.
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The Vikings already offered pick #73 in this year's draft for Rosenfels and the Texans turned that offer down. Kubiak obviously understands Sage's value to this team, more so than some of the fans do. That means pretty much the only way Sage will be traded is if a team offers a draft pick higher than #73, which is not likely to happen.
Speaking of the Vikings there are rumors out there they offered there first and third rounders for Jared Allen, plus a pick next year...kinda kills the SAge trade rumors if it happens.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Home_NFL.aspx

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Minnesota allegedly now has its first-round and third-round picks this year and a 2009 second-rounder on the table. The Vikes were previously offering only their 2008 first- and third-rounders. Assuming a contract can be agreed upon, Kansas City seems likely to take them up on the new proposal.
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I don't know how it works in the new draft chart, but moving from 18 to a top ten pick would usually take a 2nd a 1st this year and next year, maybe a 3rd this year.

Now is Sage worth a future 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd draft pick?
no, not even close
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I don't know how it works in the new draft chart, but moving from 18 to a top ten pick would usually take a 2nd a 1st this year and next year, maybe a 3rd this year.

Now is Sage worth a future 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd draft pick?
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no, not even close
Not to hijack this thread, but who in the NFL would even warrant that type of consideration? At least for a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd round pick in one draft. First name comes to mind is Peyton or LT, but in reality, I just don't see it happening.

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Not to hijack this thread, but who in the NFL would even warrant that type of consideration? At least for a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd round pick in one draft. First name comes to mind is Peyton or LT, but in reality, I just don't see it happening.
A: Hershel Walker..
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Sage is worth at least a 2nd, but not all that! LOL

Well, Saturday is getting closer. I guess we'll find out soon enough if the Texans pull the trigger on a trade.
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Not to hijack this thread, but who in the NFL would even warrant that type of consideration? At least for a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd round pick in one draft. First name comes to mind is Peyton or LT, but in reality, I just don't see it happening.
Nobody is worth a first, second, and third. I cant think of any player worth more than a first quite frankly. LT is getting up there in age and so is Peyton so I would not trade a first rounder for either of them. If I was gonna trade a first, Id like to get a young solid player who would be dominant years from now. Marcus McNeil, the SD LT comes to mind as an example.
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