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Old 04-20-2008   #81
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And this was his best (only?) offer - barely over league minimum for his experience/position.
From my understanding it WAS league minimum.

That's why I'm surprised he didn't at least go to Buffalo just to see if they'd offer more than league minimum.
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From my understanding it WAS league minimum.

That's why I'm surprised he didn't at least go to Buffalo just to see if they'd offer more than league minimum.
Or take Green Bay's offer where he is guaranteed the same contract with a better chance to start.
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Gray is a Florida boy. I'd bet money that Houston is probably as far north as he wants to live. Plus, there are a few Florida guys on our squad that he knew, if I remember his quotes from when he signed

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Gray is a Florida boy. I'd bet money that Houston is probably as far north as he wants to live. Plus, there are a few Florida guys on our squad that he knew, if I remember his quotes from when he signed
Competitive nature is something essential to a successful athlete and if a player is willing to settle in a lesser role, with a much lesser chance to start, just to be in a preferred climate or closer to home then he doesn't have much of a competitive nature.

It's not like he's a superstar, looking for a superstar contract, and has the luxury of playing where he feels most comfortable. He's a journeyman QB playing for the veteran minimum. In Green Bay he would have been slated as the number 2 behind a bad, unproven, oft injured QB. In Buffalo he would have been number 2 (assuming Losman is traded/released) behind an unproven QB in Edwards. Either situation would have been better than playing behind Schaub and Rosenfels.

I just don't buy the fact that he settled for less, or equal, money in the worst situation possible because he prefers a warm climate. That doesn't add up.

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Competitive nature is something essential to a successful athlete and if a player is willing to settle in a lesser role, with a much lesser chance to start, just to be in a preferred climate or closer to home then he doesn't have much of a competitive nature.

It's not like he's a superstar, looking for a superstar contract, and has the luxury of playing where he feels most comfortable. He's a journeyman QB playing for the veteran minimum. In Green Bay he would have been slated as the number 2 behind a bad, unproven, oft injured QB. In Buffalo he would have been number 2 (assuming Losman is traded/released) behind an unproven QB in Edwards. Either situation would have been better than playing behind Schaub and Rosenfels.

I just don't bye the fact that he settled for less, or equal, money in the worst situation possible because he prefers a warm climate. That doesn't add up.
Maybe he wanted an opportunity to work with a QB guru in Kubiak.
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That was kind of my point. If the Texans defense continues to improve, the team could make a real playoff run with a QB like Sage. He isnt a HOF QB thats true, but he has a good understanding of the offense and is probably the best backup QB the Texans could ask for. Rex Grossman got to the superbowl. Sage >>> Rex
Two years later no playoffs. Notice something about all those 3 teams? Yes two of the three won but had significant fall offs afterwards. I'll pass on the dominant defense in favor on a well balanced team that consistantly makes the playoffs.

I'm on board with a Sage trade if we can get a second or swap him for a move up to get a good LT.
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Maybe he wanted an opportunity to work with a QB guru in Kubiak.
Maybe. I don't know how much attention our 3rd QB is getting so far as development goes though. I don't think Shane Boyd's poised to make a play somewhere.

I could be wrong though.
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Maybe he wanted an opportunity to work with a QB guru in Kubiak.
And maybe he's been quietly assured that he won't be the #3 quarterback.
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From HT.com...
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/St...?story_id=4229

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Brooke Bentley: You had a phenomenal game here last year. You threw for over 300 yards and no interceptions. You also have some friends here like Andre Johnson. That’s got to make it an easier transition?

Quinn Gray: It makes it a whole lot easier to come to a team where you know some guys. Andre played in Jacksonville with Anthony Maddox. Travis Johnson played in Tallahassee at Florida State. You know, I know quite a few of the guys on the team and I’m looking forward to the opportunity to start with a fresh start.
...and maybe he does think he can unseat Sage as the #2 man, who knows...
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Hell, maybe he just loves our state-of-the-art facilities. lol
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Competitive nature is something essential to a successful athlete and if a player is willing to settle in a lesser role, with a much lesser chance to start, just to be in a preferred climate or closer to home then he doesn't have much of a competitive nature.
Some people are just so ignorant... it's like they never been in a competitive sport before, or competed for something before in their life.

Why don't you guys look through Quinn's eyes for a moment.

You're a 28 year old QB, you've been in the league for 5 years. You're coming off a career game and entering FA that has a weak QB class. You get offers from 5 different team, but you choose the lowest offer, wanting to settle as the 3rd string? Just because he want to learn under sensei Kubiak? Just because he has friends here? Yea, I'm sure he doesn't have friends anywhere else but Houston. I'm sure these are his only reason for coming here. I mean forget about getting more money, or getting a bigger role somewhere. Who needs those when you have friends and a great QB coach.
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Just wondering, but has Quinn been interviewed and asked why he signed with the Texans?
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I'm waiting for Sage to turn into future HOFer who we shouldn't even accept a 1st rounder for....
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I dunno, what should Kubiak do if Shanny calls him up in the afternoon of the 26th and says we're going to take LT Chris Williams with out #12, but we'll
swap picks with you right now if you send us Sage ?
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And maybe he's been quietly assured that he won't be the #3 quarterback.
I'm of the mind that Rosenfels will be traded if the stars line up on draft day. Let's say a team in the top 13 are looking at Matt Ryans and they don't like the other QB's...perhaps they have already told the Texans they would make a deal for Rosenfels for their 3rd rounder (or whatever). The team that needs a QB doesn't have to force a pick and still get a guy who can start with the pick they send to the Texans. The Texans couldn't make that Gentleman's deal without having Quinn under contract, ready to back up Schaub.
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I'm waiting for Sage to turn into future HOFer who we shouldn't even accept a 1st rounder for....
I'd get a comfortable chair and a good book.
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Well some here are turning him that way. The transformation has slowly headed that way.
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I dunno, what should Kubiak do if Shanny calls him up in the afternoon of the 26th and says we're going to take LT Chris Williams with out #12, but we'll
swap picks with you right now if you send us Sage ?
Probably ask him why he's drunk/high on draft day (although this could explain Maurice Clarett and a few other things about recent Denver drafts). Cutler's entrenched as the starter, and Patrick Ramsey's a decent NFL backup QB.

Ignoring the likeliness - or lack thereof - of the offer, he may well say yes. It guarantees him a player I believe the Texans covet and wouldn't get otherwise, and if you look at the PFT trade chart, 18 for 12 is roughly equal to getting a very late 2nd rounder for Sage.
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Did something happen? Why did the title to this thread change?
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Did something happen? Why did the title to this thread change?
Uhh it says Sage to Baltimore. Though it did say Rosenfels Traded Before the Draft? (or something like that).
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