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Old 04-19-2008   #61
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That was kind of my point. If the Texans defense continues to improve, the team could make a real playoff run with a QB like Sage. He isnt a HOF QB thats true, but he has a good understanding of the offense and is probably the best backup QB the Texans could ask for. Rex Grossman got to the superbowl. Sage >>> Rex
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I love it when people say "period" as if it gives their opinion more weight or something. Imagine Matt goes down again next season (God forbid). Imagine Sage leads this team on playoff run. Your period turns into a comma.
Imagine Matt doesn't go down? My period still means Sage has had his chances.

We need picks and if we can trade a second stringer for some/a 2nd then do it.

And period means an opinion has more weight? Well alrighty then. I'll start using it everytime I'm right.

Thanks for the clarification. I feel so much better now.
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Trade the Bum while he is worth something we have a guy with winning experience in Quinn Gray let's pick the extra pick so that we can draft a running back in round #2 and now we can address the Secondary or Pass Rusher in round #1.
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That was kind of my point. If the Texans defense continues to improve, the team could make a real playoff run with a QB like Sage. He isnt a HOF QB thats true, but he has a good understanding of the offense and is probably the best backup QB the Texans could ask for. Rex Grossman got to the superbowl. Sage >>> Rex
The main reason I think we should trade Sage is so we can continue to build our defense.

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Trade the Bum while he is worth something we have a guy with winning experience in Quinn Gray let's pick the extra pick so that we can draft a running back in round #2 and now we can address the Secondary or Pass Rusher in round #1.
I'd rather trade Gray. Since he's the "guy with winning experience" he should be worth even more, right?
oh wait, nobody wanted him as a free agent.
gee... wonder why?
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Glad itís only six more days to the draft so weíll have something real to talk about. I canít wait for the inevitable explosions here (including mine, I confess).
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The Vikes will have all of their '08 draft picks intact if this happens (and they will have Allen - but maybe not until next week):

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/...n-after-draft/
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I'd rather trade Gray. Since he's the "guy with winning experience" he should be worth even more, right?
oh wait, nobody wanted him as a free agent.
gee... wonder why?
He had been to GB and Oakland and was scheduled to visit Buffalo after he left here, but don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion.

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Move up with what? A phantom 2nd round pick from a deal that will never take place? The Texans only have 5 draft picks. Unless they dig into the '09 bag of picks, they don't have the ammo to move up anyway.

Kubiak, Smith, and even McNair have spoken out this offseason in regards to finding a LT to protect Schaub. If one is available that the Texans have a high grade on, I'm certain they will make him their selection. Otherwise, they have to work with what they have and hope Alex Gibbs can preform magic.
We have nasty habit of losing our next years twoes don't we ? Not advocting here ....but...


Will say if the scenario plays out like McClain is suggeting this morning ....they will be in the same kind of Barrel as they were in '05 when they plucked that preenial all pro DT Travis Johnson off the board. So under that circumstance....not out of the realm of possiblities. as I posted I'll believe a trade up when I see it. If anything they'll move down if they can.

I know a lot of you think I'm crazy with the OLT posts....But I think, truely belive, that if MS is going to advance in his developement the last thing he needs is to repaly HWSNBN. We payed alot for MS beyound the salary. The second two is stinging us this draft. Lot of franchise capitol will go up in smoke if MS get killed next year. I protect that back first thing above and beyond everything else...just me re-doing another face of the franchise in two seasons holds no appeal to me. I'm funny that way.
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very well put 3toe. echoes my thoughts exactly.

as many can recall, before MS took the two brutal shots, he was on a pace to be in the top 3-4 passers. Building a strong OL is necessary for this offense to develop.
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Will say if the scenario plays out like McClain is suggeting this morning ....they will be in the same kind of Barrel as they were in '05 when they plucked that preenial all pro DT Travis Johnson off the board. So under that circumstance....not out of the realm of possiblities. as I posted I'll believe a trade up when I see it. If anything they'll move down if they can.
In 2005 we had the chance to select LT Jammal Brown. He is now a solid Probowl caliber Tackle. We did not have to move anywhere, we could have taken in in our spot. We even could have taken Alex Barron after the trade was made but we didn't. Barron would have been a solid addition to our Oline. We had 1 very good choice and one very solid choice staring us in the face and we didn't pull the trigger. I don't think this year will be like that. If we have a solid OT on the board in round 1 we will take him.
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In 2005 we had the chance to select LT Jammal Brown. He is now a solid Probowl caliber Tackle. We did not have to move anywhere, we could have taken in in our spot. We even could have taken Alex Barron after the trade was made but we didn't. Barron would have been a solid addition to our Oline. We had 1 very good choice and one very solid choice staring us in the face and we didn't pull the trigger. I don't think this year will be like that. If we have a solid OT on the board in round 1 we will take him.
And right now that's looking like a big IF. I just hope the one they (Kubes/Smith/Gibbs) want falls to them. If Williams or Albert is there, I think they take either of them. I'm not sure about any of the others in the 1st round. Most of them have too many "warts," as ttp likes to say. If both of them are gone, then it becomes a question of how much they value who's left at any position, or do we trade down. This is where I think a trade of Sage may come into play.

So, with the #18 pick, if:

1) there is a LT we want (Williams, Albert, etc..) we take him. If not then..
2) take a player we value at another position if available. If not then..
3) take a trade down offer if available. If not then..
4) take a trade (Sage) for a draft pick or picks. If not then..
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Well, we'll see in just 6 more days!
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Move up with what?
Kubiak and Smith could possibly move up with Sage instead of offering draft picks. Chicago needs a qb and so does Baltimore. We could possibly trade Sage to Chicago for their 3rd and a swap of 1st round positions which would put us at #14. OR Maybe we could send Sage to Baltimore for a swap of our 1st round pick for theirs and nothing else. You don't get an additional pick but you are sure to land a pretty good prospect at LT, DE, CB, LB or RB. Not sure either team would do a deal like that but it is not so far out that it couldn't happen. If Matt Ryan is gone by #8 then Baltimore just might want to move back.
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Kubiak and Smith could possibly move up with Sage instead of offering draft picks. Chicago needs a qb and so does Baltimore. We could possibly trade Sage to Chicago for their 3rd and a swap of 1st round positions which would put us at #14. OR Maybe we could send Sage to Baltimore for a swap of our 1st round pick for theirs and nothing else. You don't get an additional pick but you are sure to land a pretty good prospect at LT, DE, CB, LB or RB. Not sure either team would do a deal like that but it is not so far out that it couldn't happen. If Matt Ryan is gone by #8 then Baltimore just might want to move back.
The only reason for trading up is if theres a LT that they feel they just have to have. Anything other than that and they should just stay their and take what ever DE,LB,DB that falls.
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The only reason for trading up is if theres a LT that they feel they just have to have. Anything other than that and they should just stay their and take what ever DE,LB,DB that falls.
I agree. I wish the draft would hurry up already.
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He had been to GB and Oakland and was scheduled to visit Buffalo after he left here, but don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion.
And this was his best (only?) offer - barely over league minimum for his experience/position.

My point still stands: If I traded of anyone for picks it would be Gray; not Rosenfels.

As for what I actually think will happen...?
We'll stand pat and take the OT or DB who falls to us. Unless by some miracle Mendenhall or Stewart is still available. Then we go RB.

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Not if we can get back in the second round he doesn't.
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And this was his best (only?) offer - barely over league minimum for his experience/position.
Well, if I understand the situation correctly, his offer couldn't be any worse as he got the minimum. Which is what makes the situation so curious and makes you wonder if there wasn't an under-the-table-agreement regarding his and Sage's futures with the team. Unless there is something about Houston that he likes enough to take a lesser role and possibly smaller contract, which would be odd to say the least.
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