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Old 04-18-2008   #21
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Why would Balti trade a second for Sage when they can draft Henne with their sec0ond rounder? Doesn't make too much sense to me. I think Henne could be a great fit for them along with a studly LT they get in the first, so doesn't seem very smart to trade away their 2nd to us. If they offer, I'd be all over it since we could go LT in round 1, or grab LB Rivers to team with Meco, and then grab a Cason or Flowers in round 2.

If Minne traded their second, we could be looking at Cason, FLowers, Forte.

I think that Schaub not being able to go a whole season is somewhat blown out of proportion. He had a couple of bad breaks with his injuries. With a stronger Oline and more time to gel, I think he will be just fine. I also believe that Sage is at his highest in terms of trade value since we saw him go out and win games. If Schaub stays healthy and plays well(which si what we all want), Sage sits on the bench and is value decreases and he is a year older. I say trade high and get starters out of it.
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I dunno anything about the Ravens offense, wonder if Sage is a fit for what they run ?
I don't think anyone knows what their offense will look like under Cam. Harbaugh's a defensive guy so there won't be any influence from him. Their O-line is a mess, they have no QB, and really no playmakers other than Willis.... I expect them to draft heavy on the offensive side next Saturday.
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Kubiak and Smith are going to have to take some calculated risks to get this team competitive.

It just amazes me that it is so easy to pull the trigger to resign Carr for $8 million, release Carr, trade two 2nd round draft picks for Schaub, and then can't pull the trigger on Rosenfels because he is this supposed in the bank commodity.

The Texans have dumped so much into the QB position with 2 guys and it just appears we are still in the same position from an overall team perspective. Which means now the Texans have to have a platoon of QBs to make it through a season that probably means last place in the AFC South with or with Sage.

Please listen to this, Sage as a Texan is not a great investment to get out of the AFC cellar, particularly when you could get a 2nd round pick.

Trading Sage is minimal risk when looking at the big jump the Texans need to make and what impact Sage would be on that jump.

Sure it makes you guys feel better because there is a perceived better backup, but keeping Sage doesn't get the Texans out of the cellar.

There are too many holes to fill to keep such an insurance policy at the QB position.

I have been saying this for years now, but this fascination with the QB position is biggest problem for the Texans.

Besides, Kubiak is supposed to be a QB guru. You can't tell me he can't find another guy on the scrap heap the way he found Sage in the first place.
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Kubiak and Smith are going to have to take some calculated risks to get this team competitive.

It just amazes me that it is so easy to pull the trigger to resign Carr for $8 million, release Carr, trade two 2nd round draft picks for Schaub, and then can't pull the trigger on Rosenfels because he is this supposed in the bank commodity.

The Texans have dumped so much into the QB position with 2 guys and it just appears we are still in the same position from an overall team perspective. Which means now the Texans have to have a platoon of QBs to make it through a season that probably means last place in the AFC South with or with Sage.

Please listen to this, Sage as a Texan is not a great investment to get out of the AFC cellar, particularly when you could get a 2nd round pick.

Trading Sage is minimal risk when looking at the big jump the Texans need to make and what impact Sage would be on that jump.

Sure it makes you guys feel better because there is a perceived better backup, but keeping Sage doesn't get the Texans out of the cellar.

There are too many holes to fill to keep such an insurance policy at the QB position.

I have been saying this for years now, but this fascination with the QB position is biggest problem for the Texans.

Besides, Kubiak is supposed to be a QB guru. You can't tell me he can't find another guy on the scrap heap the way he found Sage in the first place.
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Kubiak and Smith are going to have to take some calculated risks to get this team competitive.

It just amazes me that it is so easy to pull the trigger to resign Carr for $8 million, release Carr, trade two 2nd round draft picks for Schaub, and then can't pull the trigger on Rosenfels because he is this supposed in the bank commodity.

The Texans have dumped so much into the QB position with 2 guys and it just appears we are still in the same position from an overall team perspective. Which means now the Texans have to have a platoon of QBs to make it through a season that probably means last place in the AFC South with or with Sage.

Please listen to this, Sage as a Texan is not a great investment to get out of the AFC cellar, particularly when you could get a 2nd round pick.

Trading Sage is minimal risk when looking at the big jump the Texans need to make and what impact Sage would be on that jump.

Sure it makes you guys feel better because there is a perceived better backup, but keeping Sage doesn't get the Texans out of the cellar.

There are too many holes to fill to keep such an insurance policy at the QB position.

I have been saying this for years now, but this fascination with the QB position is biggest problem for the Texans.

Besides, Kubiak is supposed to be a QB guru. You can't tell me he can't find another guy on the scrap heap the way he found Sage in the first place.
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Wasn't Carr resigned during the Casserly era? Why, yes he was. Carr should have never been resigned, and would not have if Kubiak and Smith were leading the Texans like they are now.
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Kubiak and Smith are going to have to take some calculated risks to get this team competitive.

It just amazes me that it is so easy to pull the trigger to resign Carr for $8 million, release Carr, trade two 2nd round draft picks for Schaub, and then can't pull the trigger on Rosenfels because he is this supposed in the bank commodity.

The Texans have dumped so much into the QB position with 2 guys and it just appears we are still in the same position from an overall team perspective. Which means now the Texans have to have a platoon of QBs to make it through a season that probably means last place in the AFC South with or with Sage.

Please listen to this, Sage as a Texan is not a great investment to get out of the AFC cellar, particularly when you could get a 2nd round pick.

Trading Sage is minimal risk when looking at the big jump the Texans need to make and what impact Sage would be on that jump.

Sure it makes you guys feel better because there is a perceived better backup, but keeping Sage doesn't get the Texans out of the cellar.

There are too many holes to fill to keep such an insurance policy at the QB position.

I have been saying this for years now, but this fascination with the QB position is biggest problem for the Texans.

Besides, Kubiak is supposed to be a QB guru. You can't tell me he can't find another guy on the scrap heap the way he found Sage in the first place.

Assuming we trade for Vikings high 3rd and their 6th, we could add a quality saftey, pass-rushing DE, CB, LB, and even LT!

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub...aftround3.html

Look at the talents that could be there in the 3rd! I would take any of them over Sage "the product"(of kubes) Rosenfels.

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Wasn't Carr resigned during the Casserly era? Why, yes he was. Carr should have never been resigned, and would not have if Kubiak and Smith were leading the Texans like they are now.
I understand your point. But, I think it's important to look at the QB position and the cost of ownership since day 1.

The Texans franchise has dumped so much into the QB position with 2 guys, and they can't unload a journey man for 2nd a round pick that they picked up off the trash heap?

There are maybe 5 franchise QBs in the NFL at any give time, and twice in 6 years, the Texans have swung for the fence to get that guy when all the other pieces aren't there to make that big push anyway.

I am not against Schaub, it just was too expensive and the timing wasn't right. But, now it seems that mistake is keeping the Texans from getting some value to make the team better.

It's argueable at this time that the Texans would be better off without Schaub because of the cost to acquire him and his contract.

Therefore, it's my opinion, the Texans Franchise has been hindered since the irst draft pick because of this fascination of the QB position.
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Assuming we trade for Vikings high 3rd and their 6th, we could add a quality saftey, pass-rushing DE, CB, LB, and even LT!

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub...aftround3.html

Look at the talents that could be there in the 3rd! I would take any of our needs over Sage "the product"(of kubes) Rosenfels.
Yeah, there is an article on espn.com about drafting in the later rounds is how you build a team.

It's time to move with Rosenfels. It will be a disaster if Schaub goes down and then Sage comes and falls flat.

Texans love to acquire QBs, but have a hard time moving on from them.
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In terms of would the Texans take the 38th pick - that's a no brainer. They've all but said they would have done the Vikings deal for their #2, and that's several picks later than the Ravens.

As far as the Ravens doing the deal, I think the chances are pretty much zero. There's a decent chance that Ryan will be there when they pick in round one, and if he's not, or they go in another direction, between Henne, Brohm and Flacco, somebody pretty highly regarded will be available in round two.

I love having Sage at the backup QB - I think he's just starting to get the recognition he deserves, but even I wouldn't give up the #38 pick for him.

One last thing (and I've blathered about this before), but somebody made the comment that if Sage sits on the bench all next season that his value will go down. I think it's the opposite. He's valued as high as he's ever been right now, and backup QB's who don't play only see their stock rise. I challenge anybody to give me an example of a highly rated backup QB who didn't play (or didn't play much) during a season and was subsequently downgraded. It just doesn't happen. The only way Sage's value goes down next year if he stays a Texan is if he takes a significant amount of snaps and plays poorly.
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One last thing (and I've blathered about this before), but somebody made the comment that if Sage sits on the bench all next season that his value will go down. I think it's the opposite. He's valued as high as he's ever been right now, and backup QB's who don't play only see their stock rise. I challenge anybody to give me an example of a highly rated backup QB who didn't play (or didn't play much) during a season and was subsequently downgraded. It just doesn't happen. The only way Sage's value goes down next year if he stays a Texan is if he takes a significant amount of snaps and plays poorly.
It depends on supply and demand.

Quality QBs are tough to find, but the market for his services could change depending on what happens with other QBs.

Point is, these are not standing trade offers and things could change rapidly, unrelated to Sage's performance.

See your point and well taken.
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Don't overlook the Packers as a trading partner, particularly since the Vikings have expressed an interest and we signed Quinn Gray out from under them.

I'm definitely in the "trade Sage" camp if we can do as well as a third-rounder. My guess is that this time next year we'd be lucky to get a fifth-rounder for him. Buy low, sell high.
That's what I've been saying as well. Green Bay has two 2nd rounders and a bad QB with no back-up. They're essentially in the same position as the Vikings were pre-Frerotte (which doesn't do much for me itself) with more picks in our desired range, considerably less holes to fill and a young, contending team which could use a plug-and-play QB. If they offered us #60 for Sage I think we'd have to take it.

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Those back-ups QB that was valued highly wasn't 30 years old either. They were young with a year or two before entering their prime. Rosenfels on the otherhand, IS in his prime.
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Those back-ups QB that was valued highly wasn't 30 years old either. They were young with a year or two before entering their prime. Rosenfels on the otherhand, IS in his prime.
Sage just turned 30, and I don't think at the QB position that it's that big a factor. Especially when you throw in the fact that he's taken very little in the way of punishment on his body.
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Besides, Kubiak is supposed to be a QB guru. You can't tell me he can't find another guy on the scrap heap the way he found Sage in the first place.
He already has. Or does nobody remember the QB who carved us up the last week of the season?
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In terms of would the Texans take the 38th pick - that's a no brainer. They've all but said they would have done the Vikings deal for their #2, and that's several picks later than the Ravens.

As far as the Ravens doing the deal, I think the chances are pretty much zero. There's a decent chance that Ryan will be there when they pick in round one, and if he's not, or they go in another direction, between Henne, Brohm and Flacco, somebody pretty highly regarded will be available in round two.

I love having Sage at the backup QB - I think he's just starting to get the recognition he deserves, but even I wouldn't give up the #38 pick for him.

One last thing (and I've blathered about this before), but somebody made the comment that if Sage sits on the bench all next season that his value will go down. I think it's the opposite. He's valued as high as he's ever been right now, and backup QB's who don't play only see their stock rise. I challenge anybody to give me an example of a highly rated backup QB who didn't play (or didn't play much) during a season and was subsequently downgraded. It just doesn't happen. The only way Sage's value goes down next year if he stays a Texan is if he takes a significant amount of snaps and plays poorly.
On the whole, I agree with this post. If the Ravens offered the 38th pick for Sage, Rick Smith would be all over it. No question. But until we get that kind of offer, holding onto the best backup this side of Kurt Warner just makes sense to me. I checked out the list of projected 3rd rounders and there isn't a one of those rookies I'd trade an experienced backup like Sage for, straight up.

I also agree that Sage's value should do nothing but go up as we get into T/C and preseason when QBs on other teams start getting banged up.
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I heard Todd McShay talking today on the Herd and he thinks all the top Tackles (Long, Clady, Otah, Williams)will be gone no later than pick 15. Albert is gonna be gone most likely too. I was thinking maybe the Texans might try and move up to Chicago's #14 slot by trading Sage to them for swapping 1st round picks and getting their 3rd. Would you do it if it meant the last of the top tackle prospects was about to be drafted just ahead of you?

Read this article about mocks. I posted it in another thread but it is really enlightening on how important mocks are to nfl teams to use as a tool to help them determine where a player they have targeted will go. So if the Texans have a LT targeted it might help you in determining what you think the Texans would do.


http://texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49367

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Default Re: Sage to B

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Originally Posted by hollywood_texan View Post
Kubiak and Smith are going to have to take some calculated risks to get this team competitive.

It just amazes me that it is so easy to pull the trigger to resign Carr for $8 million, release Carr, trade two 2nd round draft picks for Schaub, and then can't pull the trigger on Rosenfels because he is this supposed in the bank commodity.

The Texans have dumped so much into the QB position with 2 guys and it just appears we are still in the same position from an overall team perspective. Which means now the Texans have to have a platoon of QBs to make it through a season that probably means last place in the AFC South with or with Sage.

Please listen to this, Sage as a Texan is not a great investment to get out of the AFC cellar, particularly when you could get a 2nd round pick.

Trading Sage is minimal risk when looking at the big jump the Texans need to make and what impact Sage would be on that jump.

Sure it makes you guys feel better because there is a perceived better backup, but keeping Sage doesn't get the Texans out of the cellar.

There are too many holes to fill to keep such an insurance policy at the QB position.

I have been saying this for years now, but this fascination with the QB position is biggest problem for the Texans.

Besides, Kubiak is supposed to be a QB guru. You can't tell me he can't find another guy on the scrap heap the way he found Sage in the first place.


agreed: You get the offer for the 38...you do the deal.


Great #2 Qb is a luxuary. Some of y'all need to make up your minds....do you want to win the division or do you want to stock pile QBs ? I doubt that Baltimore makes the deal. The only mind set I can think of is that the window is closing on Baltimore prety quickly now. One more grasp for the ring befor they rebuild ? Matty ice is going to need a year to get use to the speed of the NFL game.
One reason ? Sage is locked and loaded...all he has to do is learn the offesive terminology.

But Ozzie Newome has never reached for tallent yet. So again smells like pre-draft smoke.

NFLn is Suggeting that the Vikes are now in the hunt for Jarred allen....if that is true...I think that QB deal is dead.
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