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NoBullTexan · 12-09-2004

Casserly said last year that the next two years Drafts would be devoted to the defense. He pretty much stuck to that in the 2004 Draft, so I would say we go out and 1),get a FA RB, 2), let DD try to go another year, or 3), take a flyer on a rookie in the 4th, 5th, or 6th round. I would think the latter would be the most likely.

Blake · 12-09-2004

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Originally Posted by NoBullTexan

Casserly said last year that the next two years Drafts would be devoted to the defense.

I guess we could be looking at a:

1. Thomas Davis / Marcus Spears
2. Justin Tuck / Brodney Pool

**beerlover** · 12-10-2004

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Originally Posted by Cheroqui

I'm curious to know what you all think may be the first 3 picks selected come draft day and in what positions? Also I saw the Edgerrin James post too and would like to know if you think we'll fill a RB spot through NFL or a rookie out of college?

a little clarification please.........do you mean the first three picks of the Texans or the first three picks in the draft

NFL overall
1. QB- Aaron Rogers
2. RB- Cedric Benson
3. QB- Matt Leinart

Texans
1. DT- Marcus Spears, LSU Tigers
2. C - Ben Wilkerson, LSU Tigers
3. ILB- Marcus Lawrence (Dunta's teammate from South Carolina)
3. TE- Kevin Everett, Miami Hurricanes

**Vinny** · 12-10-2004

If Cedric Benson is the number 2 overall I'll eat my hat (although I don't wear one).

Cheroqui · 12-10-2004

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Originally Posted by beerlover

a little clarification please...

Yeah, when I asked the question, I meant what do you think the first 3 the Texans will pick, and at what positions.

**infantrycak** · 12-10-2004

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Originally Posted by Vinny

If Cedric Benson is the number 2 overall I'll eat my hat (although I don't wear one).

Have to second that thought. You have to go back 10 years to find a back taken that high (and look how that turned out). The trend the last few years is to take them lower and lower--2004 26th, 2003 23rd, 2002 16th, 2001 5th (LaDainian Tomlinson), 2000 5th (Jamal Lewis), 1999 4th (Edgerrin James) 5th (Ricky Williams).

**infantrycak** · 12-10-2004

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Originally Posted by Cheroqui

Yeah, when I asked the question, I meant what do you think the first 3 the Texans will pick, and at what positions.

In no particular round order because IMO Casserly doesn't draft that way, i.e. forcing needs:

C, ILB, CB, DT

**edo783** · 12-10-2004

Benson MIGHT be the second RB taken in the draft (I think R. Brown will be) but certainly not the second player taken in the draft. IMO, the team that does take him will wind up with a bust. He a good power runing back at the college level, but he will be exposed as to slow at the pro level.

astrofan · 12-10-2004

man, I would love to have Ronnie Brown
outside of an imperfect health record, what are knocks on this guy?

NorthernTexanFan101 · 12-11-2004

We Need Kyle Orton And A New Olb Would Be Nice Too

wags · 12-12-2004

At the rate we are losing games we are going to draft pretty high. I would trade down for an extra 2nd round pick.

1st trade down for Thomas Davis (SS)
2nd David Baas (C/G)
2nd Barrett Rudd (ILB)
3rd Reggie Brown (WR)
3rd Anthony Bryant (NT)

3 or 4 potential starters from this group.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS · 12-13-2004

1. Ahmad Brooks ILB
2. Gabe Watson NT
3. Kevin Everett TE
3. Jimmy Williams CB

1. Thomas Davis S
2. Abdul Hodge ILB
3. Kevin Everett TE
3. Anthony Bryant NT

astrofan · 12-13-2004

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Originally Posted by wags

At the rate we are losing games we are going to draft pretty high. I would trade down for an extra 2nd round pick.

1st trade down for Thomas Davis (SS)
2nd David Baas (C/G)
2nd Barrett Rudd (ILB)
3rd Reggie Brown (WR)
3rd Anthony Bryant (NT)

3 or 4 potential starters from this group.

is Bryant the best we could do with a first day pick?
he had 2 (two) tackles for loss his entire career
Ngata had 8.5 (more than four times as many) this year alone
after a serious injury

the rest I like

wags · 12-13-2004

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Originally Posted by astrofan

is Bryant the best we could do with a first day pick?
he had 2 (two) tackles for loss his entire career

He did a little better than that. I just like him because of his size. Maybe we could do better.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/pla...onybryant.html

astrofan · 12-13-2004

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Originally Posted by hetero doxy

one mock draft i saw by an adult (someone over 25 years of age) had ngata going to SF #1 overall.

where did the adults think Dockett(64), Starks(71), Lavalais(142), Sopoaga(104) and Clauss(230) were going to go

I'll stick with my childish ideas
maybe once you get past 43 you believe everything you hear

edit: hetero, you are twenty years and one day older than me exactly

astrofan · 12-13-2004

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Originally Posted by wags

He did a little better than that.

please explain what better than 2 tackles for loss in his career would be
I'm not knocking the guy, he just doesn't seem capable of being a two-gap NT for four quarters every week

wags · 12-13-2004

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Originally Posted by astrofan

please explain what better than 2 tackles for loss in his career would be
I'm not knocking the guy, he just doesn't seem capable of being a two-gap NT for four quarters every week

2004: 19 tackles, 3 Tackles for loss(-8 yards), 1.5 sacks, 2 QB hurries
2003: 44 tackles, 1.5 TFL, 2 PD, 12 QB hurries
2002: 32 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 FF, 4 QB hurries

not great stats, but he has size and will be available later in the draft.

astrofan · 12-13-2004

man, I don't know what I was looking at on rolltide
still 1.5 sacks and 6.5 tfl seem low for a guy that we want dominate two lineman every play

someone like Castillo from N'western could be more our style

OT: is it just me or do the folks a nfldraftcountdown have an abundance of negative thing to say about players from the southeast
Ronald Fields Not a great athlete...Brings little to the table in terms of a pass rush...Poorly conditioned and wears down...Questionable motor.
Anthony Bryant Won't provide much in the way of a pass rushing threat...Not a great athlete...Not fast or very quick...Out of shape and wears down late in games.
Reggie Brown Inconsistent...Has lapses in concentration and doesn't always give 100%...Speed is only average...Hands are questionable...Isn't a deep threat.
on and on..

astrofan · 12-13-2004

football.com as of 12/12 has Ngata rated 60th overall
Hawthorne(3)
Wright(5)
Patterson(41)
Alexander(52)
Ngata(60)

does that make them childish (someone under 25 years of age)
please post a link that has Ngata going 1st overall

edit: source on Luis above nusports.collegesports.com

Herdof · 12-13-2004

1. S Thomas Davis - Georgia - I feel that he can be better than Sean Jones. Nasty hitter.

"S: A safety in a linebackers body...Very strong, tough and physical...Excellent athlete...Great size...Has great range...A force in run support...Great instincts...Good tackler...Has a lot of upside.

W: Raw and still developing...Has only average speed but it is good for his size...Doesn't have a lot of experience at safety because he has moved back and forth between there and linebacker...Not a ballhawk.

O: Has Roy Williams-like potential...Still a work in progress but has a lot of potential...Should be one of the top safety prospects in the draft should he come out." - NFL Draft Countdown

2a. ILB Barret Rudd - Nebraska - If he runs the hell out of his 40, he will skyrocket and there's no point in letting a great football talent (not athlete) pass us by.

"S: Has a motor that never quits...Good size...Should run well in workouts...Great instincts...Fiery and a team leader...Has a ton of experience and has been very productive...Smart and can be another coach on the field.

W: Not an incredible pure athlete, even though he has good timed speed...Doesn't change direction well...Poor agility...Needs to get stronger.

O: Father Tom was a 1st Round Pick by the Buffalo Bills in 1975...Top linebacker prospect with just about everything you look for...Should be able to make an impact very early on in his pro career." - NFL Draft Countdown

2b. DE/OLB Justin Tuck - Notre Dame - Knowing how the Texans LOVE drafting 'tweenies (God knows how many we have - Babin, Peek, Orr, etc.), I take it that he'll love to groom this guy. I like him as well, but how would be

"S: Excellent athletic ability...Tall and lanky...Explosive speed and quickness...Top production and a sack artist...Has a lot of experience against top competition...Is unblockable at times.

W: Undersized...Needs to continue to get bigger and stronger...Improving but still not a force against the run...A 'tweener who could project to OLB in the pros, especially in a 3-4 scheme.

O: Notre Dame's all-time leader in sacks...Has made major strides as an all-around player the last couple of years...Cousin of Adalius Thomas of the Baltimore Ravens...Has the option to return to school for another season. " - NFL Draft Countdown

As of now, these are who I would like with our first three picks.

12-09-2004	#41
NoBullTexan Veteran Join Date: May 2004 Location: Jersey Village Age: 76 Posts: 225 Rep Power: 10	Casserly said last year that the next two years Drafts would be devoted to the defense. He pretty much stuck to that in the 2004 Draft, so I would say we go out and 1),get a FA RB, 2), let DD try to go another year, or 3), take a flyer on a rookie in the 4th, 5th, or 6th round. I would think the latter would be the most likely. __________________ NoBullTexan

12-10-2004	#44
Vinny shiny happy fan Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 49 Posts: 20,714 Rep Power: 55750	If Cedric Benson is the number 2 overall I'll eat my hat (although I don't wear one). __________________ http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk "A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow

12-10-2004	#48
edo783 Site Contributor Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, again. Posts: 7,700 Rep Power: 4640	Benson MIGHT be the second RB taken in the draft (I think R. Brown will be) but certainly not the second player taken in the draft. IMO, the team that does take him will wind up with a bust. He a good power runing back at the college level, but he will be exposed as to slow at the pro level. __________________ De Oppresso Liber

12-12-2004	#51
wags Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: TX and FL Age: 35 Posts: 1,601 Rep Power: 22	At the rate we are losing games we are going to draft pretty high. I would trade down for an extra 2nd round pick. 1st trade down for Thomas Davis (SS) 2nd David Baas (C/G) 2nd Barrett Rudd (ILB) 3rd Reggie Brown (WR) 3rd Anthony Bryant (NT) 3 or 4 potential starters from this group. __________________ A good argument is always spoiled by someone who knows what they're talking about

12-13-2004	#59
astrofan Veteran Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 208 Rep Power: 10	football.com as of 12/12 has Ngata rated 60th overall Hawthorne(3) Wright(5) Patterson(41) Alexander(52) Ngata(60) does that make them childish (someone under 25 years of age) please post a link that has Ngata going 1st overall edit: source on Luis above nusports.collegesports.com Last edited by astrofan; 12-14-2004 at 08:11 PM.

12-11-2004	#50
NorthernTexanFan101 Rookie Join Date: Dec 2004 Age: 32 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	We Need Kyle Orton And A New Olb Would Be Nice Too

12-13-2004	#52
STEEL BLUE TEXANS Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Sugar Land, Texas Age: 30 Posts: 5,327 Rep Power: 1832	1. Ahmad Brooks ILB 2. Gabe Watson NT 3. Kevin Everett TE 3. Jimmy Williams CB 1. Thomas Davis S 2. Abdul Hodge ILB 3. Kevin Everett TE 3. Anthony Bryant NT

12-13-2004	#60
Herdof Rookie Join Date: Dec 2004 Age: 24 Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	1. S Thomas Davis - Georgia - I feel that he can be better than Sean Jones. Nasty hitter. "S: A safety in a linebackers body...Very strong, tough and physical...Excellent athlete...Great size...Has great range...A force in run support...Great instincts...Good tackler...Has a lot of upside. W: Raw and still developing...Has only average speed but it is good for his size...Doesn't have a lot of experience at safety because he has moved back and forth between there and linebacker...Not a ballhawk. O: Has Roy Williams-like potential...Still a work in progress but has a lot of potential...Should be one of the top safety prospects in the draft should he come out." - NFL Draft Countdown 2a. ILB Barret Rudd - Nebraska - If he runs the hell out of his 40, he will skyrocket and there's no point in letting a great football talent (not athlete) pass us by. "S: Has a motor that never quits...Good size...Should run well in workouts...Great instincts...Fiery and a team leader...Has a ton of experience and has been very productive...Smart and can be another coach on the field. W: Not an incredible pure athlete, even though he has good timed speed...Doesn't change direction well...Poor agility...Needs to get stronger. O: Father Tom was a 1st Round Pick by the Buffalo Bills in 1975...Top linebacker prospect with just about everything you look for...Should be able to make an impact very early on in his pro career." - NFL Draft Countdown 2b. DE/OLB Justin Tuck - Notre Dame - Knowing how the Texans LOVE drafting 'tweenies (God knows how many we have - Babin, Peek, Orr, etc.), I take it that he'll love to groom this guy. I like him as well, but how would be "S: Excellent athletic ability...Tall and lanky...Explosive speed and quickness...Top production and a sack artist...Has a lot of experience against top competition...Is unblockable at times. W: Undersized...Needs to continue to get bigger and stronger...Improving but still not a force against the run...A 'tweener who could project to OLB in the pros, especially in a 3-4 scheme. O: Notre Dame's all-time leader in sacks...Has made major strides as an all-around player the last couple of years...Cousin of Adalius Thomas of the Baltimore Ravens...Has the option to return to school for another season. " - NFL Draft Countdown As of now, these are who I would like with our first three picks. __________________ *Domanick Davis is a quality starting running back, shut your mouth!*

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