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Old 04-18-2008   #41
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i remember C.C. Brown making a few big plays in the backfield on a blitz. Miami I think? hmmmm Or was it Earl? I hate one of them, can't tackle. I like the other one. The one who can.
It was Earl. He got a sack on the first play of the game against Miami, in 2006-07. This past year he didn't play because of the pre-season injury.
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Where did I say bring out the pink soap for Richard Smith? .
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If there is someone better out there and available, I would like to get him because I have little faith that Smith can turn it around.
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I always try to hope that out of bad stuff, good stuff happens. That if a defense is so obviously clueless, maybe this means that we can get rid of Richard Smith, for example.
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We get it. You don't like Smith as DC because of no track record, lack of identity and repeated trauma. We all want the same thing and frankly I don't care who's right or wrong. Whether Smith can turn it around will most likely be answered this year and if the defense doesn't improve significantly he's probably done. Ours may be a case of too many cooks in the defensive kitchen, especially this year with the addition of Rhodes to a very veteran staff.
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I think #2 thru #5 are all dependent on #1.

If you want to cut it down to the bare bones, #1 IS the defensive philosophy. Kubiak has much as said so. I agree with this philosophy. I know a lot of people don't, because like I mentioned earlier, that multi-million dollar front 4 isn't doing that consistently enough without "manufacturing a rush with the blitz" . . . (his own words)

I think that's the philosophy, and I think it should be the philosophy
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You send more people in on a blitz to make up for the lack of a rush by the front four, then you can't disguise it, they'll know it's coming, and then they'll burn that man to man coverage that Faggins is forced to use.

For all the money that's being spent on that defensive line . . . that philosophy is sound. And I think with a little more playing time under their belts, that philosophy will be proven.

Is this the philosophy or is this what we are doing because the Texans can't blitz without exposing the backside because of personnel, injuries and inexperience?

I'm not asking that to be rude. I'm asking this because I really do not know.

I thought that this is what the Texans were doing because that was what was working the best. That the team tended to do worse when they blitzed.

If that is the philosophy, it is not what I would identify as an aggressive 4-3.
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We get it. You don't like Smith as DC because of no track record, lack of identity and repeated trauma. We all want the same thing and frankly I don't care who's right or wrong. Whether Smith can turn it around will most likely be answered this year and if the defense doesn't improve significantly he's probably done. Ours may be a case of too many cooks in the defensive kitchen, especially this year with the addition of Rhodes to a very veteran staff.
Wow. It's nice to know that you are paying that much attention. I only brought this philosophy stuff up in this thread because Marcus asked me directly about this subject matter. And I brought it up in the blog post because most readers there do not read what I write here.

There's a time when it makes sense to fire your defensive coordinator if you are going to do it, and that time this year has already passed. I was hopeful that maybe a change would happen in the early offseason if they could find a 4-3 guy who was better, available and interested. No sense beating the drums for him to be canned now. It would be nice to know what he is doing though.

At this point of the year, I am mostly looking to see what players make sense for drafting for whatever the defense they are running. The Jethro Franklin interview were a few breadcrumbs tossed our way giving some idea of what their thought processes.

I do think that there is a concern with too many cooks, especially from very varied backgrounds. As for being a very veteran staff, the Texans staff has a random mishmash of kind of odd backgrounds. Lots of different coaching trees. Rhodes ends up having the most relevant experience in running the show, yet he is an assistant to a guy whose only NFL coaching experience is working for the Texans. Strange.

All this being said, I would be interested to hear your insight of what you believe Smith's plan for the defense is. I bring up the issue of "no philosophy" with sort of the hope that someone here actually does know what the plan is.That maybe I've missed something.
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I loved the comments about Travis Johnson! Watching him at the games last year I really felt like he was playing with a higher "motor" than anyone on the field other than maybe Robinson. I remember him flying sideline to sideline (and picking up 15 for a late hit) but he was flying. Making tackles in the numbers, taking up space in the middle. I thought he played outstanding. I've been trying to defend him all year. I think he is playing great. I'd like to see him improve against the pass but as a tackler and a ball hawk, I think he's really doing well.
Yeah his best play of the year: Had his head up his kister, missed his rotation. comes onto the feild at the last second ...litterally so late onto the feild, he couldn't get into his stance at the snap of the ball...good two feet out of position....and the qb hits him dead in the chest with a pass...interception. better lucky than good I always say. He's a marginal player they were stuck with by a bad CC move. That is all he is. all he is ever going to be...He's an effort guy, not a first round tallent. and no adjective(s) in the world will ever change that. Costs more to ship him out than to keep him.
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Wow. It's nice to know that you are paying that much attention. .
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I would be interested to hear your insight of what you believe Smith's plan for the defense is. I bring up the issue of "no philosophy" with sort of the hope that someone here actually does know what the plan is.That maybe I've missed something.
I'm guessing Smith's plan for his defense is to be tough against the run, get after the quarterback, force turnovers, and don't get beat deep. If they did all that, I'm guessing they would be better statistically and have the identity and readily apparent to fans philosophy you desire.

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Yeah his best play of the year: Had his head up his kister, missed his rotation. comes onto the feild at the last second ...litterally so late onto the feild, he couldn't get into his stance at the snap of the ball...good two feet out of position....and the qb hits him dead in the chest with a pass...interception. better lucky than good I always say. He's a marginal player they were stuck with by a bad CC move. That is all he is. all he is ever going to be...He's an effort guy, not a first round tallent. and no adjective(s) in the world will ever change that. Costs more to ship him out than to keep him.
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Yeah his best play of the year: Had his head up his kister, missed his rotation. comes onto the feild at the last second ...litterally so late onto the feild, he couldn't get into his stance at the snap of the ball...good two feet out of position....and the qb hits him dead in the chest with a pass...interception. better lucky than good I always say. He's a marginal player they were stuck with by a bad CC move. That is all he is. all he is ever going to be...He's an effort guy, not a first round tallent. and no adjective(s) in the world will ever change that. Costs more to ship him out than to keep him.
Me think you need to go back and hear the Kubiak post game press conference again. The coaches sent him in late, he did not miss a rotation. Kubiak tried to override Franklin's call for Johnson to be on the field on that play, In the mean time, Johnson gets a bad rap for late substitution.Kubiak's comments on the int
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If we are going to be tougher against the run I'd like to see some more size in the middle of the field. DeMeco and both of our starting DT's are a bit on the smallish side so I'd like to see more of a two gap type player next to Okoye next year to keep the guards off Ryans. Playing tougher vs the run and getting teams in 3rd and longer is a key to playing better pass defense.
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If we are going to be tougher against the run I'd like to see some more size in the middle of the field. DeMeco and both of our starting DT's are a bit on the smallish side so I'd like to see more of a two gap type player next to Okoye next year to keep the guards off Ryans. Playing tougher vs the run and getting teams in 3rd and longer is a key to playing better pass defense.
To sort of play off this thought. TJ is pretty quick, but typically the run stoppers are big and not so quick. Could we get TJ to the size needed to be a run stopper and still have him be effective? Not saying, just asking.
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To sort of play off this thought. TJ is pretty quick, but typically the run stoppers are big and not so quick. Could we get TJ to the size needed to be a run stopper and still have him be effective? Not saying, just asking.
I think TJ's game probably suffers when he gets too heavy since most of his highlight moments center on his quickness. He's really good in pursuit and running to the ball since he moves well for a big man....I think he is getting better at the point of attack and perhaps the Texans think he can mature into the kind of player who can man the inside credibly...but I'm a cynic on that one.
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If we are going to be tougher against the run I'd like to see some more size in the middle of the field. DeMeco and both of our starting DT's are a bit on the smallish side so I'd like to see more of a two gap type player next to Okoye next year to keep the guards off Ryans. Playing tougher vs the run and getting teams in 3rd and longer is a key to playing better pass defense.
That's what I thought too, and that was what was so good about the interview, because LZ asked Franklin this specific question directly, and Franklin said that they had their guy, Travis Johnson. You know, the sort of question, in a perfect world, would you want a space eater, and Franklin said "The perfect world is what we have in Johnson."

So, it is hard to say whether Franklin is sticking up for the guy he has knowing he is unlikely to get anyone else, or if he really does want some more girth at the two-gap DT position.

I am thinking that if the defense wanted some big guys there, they would have got one in free agency. But the guys the Texans tend to acquire in that position are all about the same basic size. No beefy outlier.
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So, it is hard to say whether Franklin is sticking up for the guy he has knowing he is unlikely to get anyone else, or if he really does want some more girth at the two-gap DT position.

I am thinking that if the defense wanted some big guys there, they would have got one in free agency. But the guys the Texans tend to acquire in that position are all about the same basic size. No beefy outlier.
that's exactly why coach-speak has to be looked at with some cynicism. They may feel they can go with "swing tackles" like the offensive line system used by Kubiak. It's like getting the combo TV/VCR/DVD/game system/Home entertainment all in one system that give you the ability in all the areas you need but since none of it specializes you get something that can do many tasks but most of them are done in a mediocre manner.
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I'm guessing Smith's plan for his defense is to be tough against the run, get after the quarterback, force turnovers, and don't get beat deep. If they did all that, I'm guessing they would be better statistically and have the identity and readily apparent to fans philosophy you desire.

I do not understand why you are being sarcastic with me. Maybe defensive schemes and philosophies aren't interesting to you, but I think it is a legitimate thing to discuss on a MB, especially when there is nothing else going on.

As I said, I brought this subject up in the thread because Marcus asked me directly about it. And I have been interested in the discussion that has come up talking about it.

Yes, of course, all defenses want to do the things you enumerate and yeah, those are all the things that the Texans have done very poorly over the last three seasons. You listed the objectives of all defenses, and I find it interesting how there is no one scheme or philosophy that can lead to that result.

The Franklin interview, on its face, suggests that the Texans value speed to stop the run at the DT position, and not so much size. Even though Franklin has worked with big size/ guys who can move in his past at the DT position. I'd like to have a better sense of other things that they value on defense.

As I said before, this may be more of a function of the media not asking football-oriented questions on this subject and not a function of Smith not having a plan. And if he had a background as a 4-3 coordinator, we could look to that to see what the plan is, but we don't. So those of us who are interested in this sort of thing have to dig through the scraps to try to figure it out.

Sorry if I bored you with belaboring something you think isn't worth discussing. As you know as a writer, you can't make everybody happy with the things you write. It's just the way it is.
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that's exactly why coach-speak has to be looked at with some cynicism. They may feel they can go with "swing tackles" like the offensive line system used by Kubiak. It's like getting the combo TV/VCR/DVD/game system/Home entertainment all in one system that give you the ability in all the areas you need but since none of it specializes you get something that can do many tasks but most of them are done in a mediocre manner.
Agreed.

Sort of like how they discuss their safeties. How they say they don't put a premium of distinguishing between strong and free, but that may be more of a function of not having the ability to find a free safety of their liking while remaking the rest of the defense.

Besides, how would a sloppy fat DT survive our hot Houston training camps?
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I do not understand why you are being sarcastic with me. Maybe defensive schemes and philosophies aren't interesting to you, but I think it is a legitimate thing to discuss on a MB, especially when there is nothing else going on.

As I said, I brought this subject up in the thread because Marcus asked me directly about it. And I have been interested in the discussion that has come up talking about it.

Yes, of course, all defenses want to do the things you enumerate and yeah, those are all the things that the Texans have done very poorly over the last three seasons. You listed the objectives of all defenses, and I find it interesting how there is no one scheme or philosophy that can lead to that result.

The Franklin interview, on its face, suggests that the Texans value speed to stop the run at the DT position, and not so much size. Even though Franklin has worked with big size/ guys who can move in his past at the DT position. I'd like to have a better sense of other things that they value on defense.

As I said before, this may be more of a function of the media not asking football-oriented questions on this subject and not a function of Smith not having a plan. And if he had a background as a 4-3 coordinator, we could look to that to see what the plan is, but we don't. So those of us who are interested in this sort of thing have to dig through the scraps to try to figure it out.

Sorry if I bored you with belaboring something you think isn't worth discussing. As you know as a writer, you can't make everybody happy with the things you write. It's just the way it is.
Well TC, AJ certainly does not need me to speak up for him, or come to his defense in any fashion, but I'm going to fess up and say I positive rep'd his obvious sarcasm. The reason why, is that he and I both find your statement "Where did I say bring out the pink soap for Richard Smith?" rather disingenuous at best, downright insincere at worst.

You need to go back to the beginning of this discussion and re-read. If you try, you'll see the obvious anti-Smith bias. You're a writer, you should be able to see it if you'd be honest with yourself. There are times that you try to disguise it with "well, maybe the media needs to do a better job" statements and the like, but believe me, you're not fooling anyone.
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If we are going to be tougher against the run I'd like to see some more size in the middle of the field. DeMeco and both of our starting DT's are a bit on the smallish side so I'd like to see more of a two gap type player next to Okoye next year to keep the guards off Ryans. Playing tougher vs the run and getting teams in 3rd and longer is a key to playing better pass defense.
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It's always looked to me like our problem with the running game is based on what we have in the middle of the field. I love Demeco but if he's going to be the middle linebacker, then we need bigger DT's in front of him to shield him. I think the original thought with Demeco was to have him on the outside but when we had injuries to our projected starting mike lb's, he got pressed into duty there and did a great job... EXCEPT he's at his worst when people run right at him and the DT's don't stuff it.

A few years ago, the Eagles' D was having a big problem stopping the run and it got fixed when they put big 300# Jeremiah Trotter in as the mike lb. I think our run D would improve with a big thumper in the middle and by moving Demeco to the outside.

Since it appears that our "philosophy" is to have smaller DT's, I'm not sure Demeco is the right guy in the middle.

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I'm going to say something that might not be very popular.

It's always looked to me like our problem with the running game is based on what we have in the middle of the field. I love Demeco but if he's going to be the middle linebacker, then we need bigger DT's in front of him to shield him. I think the original thought with Demeco was to have him on the outside but when we had injuries to our projected starting mike lb's, he got pressed into duty there and did a great job... EXCEPT he's at his worst when people run right at him and the DT's don't stuff it.

A few years ago, the Eagles' D was having a big problem stopping the run and it got fixed when they put big 300# Jeremiah Trotter in as the mike lb. I think our run D would improve with a big thumper in the middle and by moving Demeco to the outside.

Since it appears that our "philosophy" is to have smaller DT's, I'm not sure Demeco is the right guy in the middle.

Maybe I'm just wearing my steel blue shaded glasses but I disagree. I think Demeco has the athleticism and instincts to be a great LB no matter where we line him up, but when I see our LB's missing plays and tackles in the run game it's rarely Demeco who's left grasping at air. I think a "space eating" DT would help in obvious run downs, but I don't think we'd see a significant improvement by moving Demeco outside unless we found a player of equal or similar caliber to fill his shoes at the mike, which is no easy thing. People are always toying with the idea of moving him to OLB, and I'm not saying it's a bad idea, just saying the guy's a pro-bowl MLB for us and in order to move him you need to find a suitable replacement or else you're just swapping one problem for another.

As an aside, the size of the DT's in front of Demeco (6-1, 240) reminds me of the situation with Ray Lewis (6-1, 250) in Baltimore a few years ago. Ray Lewis was at his best as a play maker with mammoth DT's like Tony Siragusa, Sam Adams, and Maake Kemoeatu in front of him to tie up blockers and let him run free. When they left via FA and retirement his production dropped, he made his concerns known, and they drafted Haloti Ngata to fill the void. Ray Lewis is certainly athletic enough to move around at linebacker, but he was a pro bowler and cornerstone of their D at MLB. Demeco is becoming the cornerstone of our D at MLB. If we make a change in personnel to help via the run I'd like to see it be made at nosetackle.

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Maybe I'm just wearing my steel blue shaded glasses but I disagree.
You disagreed and then you didn't disagree.

Part of the point of my post is that I see us having 2 options for fixing our run defense:

1. Get bigger DT's to keep them off of Demeco (like they did with Ray Lewis back in the day)
2. Move Demeco to the outside and find a bigger runstuffing type of player for the Mike.

You agreed with me on option #1. However, if Franklin's interview is to be believed, they like the smallish DT's. So we're not going to go with #1.

When I go back and watch games, I see Demeco occasionally getting manhandled on the runs up the middle. Occasionally, he had guys run through him. It wasn't very often but it did happen.

And I'm not saying he's *not* a great LB. He's great wherever we line him up. But we need to design the defense to get the most out of him.

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You disagreed and then you didn't disagree.
Yea I kinda noticed that half way through but I'd already started so I just went with it, lol.

I see your point, I just like the idea of getting a bigger nosetackle more than finding a replacement for Demeco at the mike. It seems to me like it'd be easier to find a space eater than it would to find someone who could man the MLB as well or better than Demeco.
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