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Old 04-11-2008   #41
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Total Access is a staple at my house. It's the hour of NFL-N I dont miss every evening at 6. Schefter usually breaks stuff. Lombardi just presented an interesting scenario just now about McFadden falling to the Bengals, citing seven premium OLs and DLs going in the top ten being the better investment of multi-millions, the short shelf life on RBs, and using Reggie Bush as an example of all boots no cattle - followed by debate with Eisen and Faulk.

Faulk is right there with Emmitt in his dullness though. Yesterday he said (during a discussion of OLs) that there's "a lot of Walter Jones' out there" in the context of some team taking either a CB or RB high in the first and waiting on an OL for later. Yeahright....

Between NFLTA, Florio's site, and redzone or Sportspages that's about all you need to stay up with what's going on.

I honestly don't know who Todd McShay is, so I guess I'm not missing much. But I don't understand why it would upset people for someone to say that Chris Long might be really really good. Long is going to be a top five pick and in the right situation he could make a major impact in his rookie season.....

The look on the Dolphins fans faces (not to mention Quinn) when Goodell said the name 'Ted Ginn' is as priceless as any Jets fan draft day meltdown...
I think that everybody that has posted in this thread agrees that Long will be a really good pro.

The problem I have is that McShay told an outright lie about Long being faster than Mario. You would think that with all the resources that ESPN has at their disposal, they could just look into that before saying it on live TV.

To me, it goes back to the whole thing where the Texans just dont matter to the national media, so they dont care whether they're doing us justice or not.
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To me, it goes back to the whole thing where the Texans just dont matter to the national media, so they dont care whether they're doing us justice or not.
What the national media thinks is not something high on my care radar (whether it's good think or bad think). Maybe it's just me but I don't get too spun up about the whole disrespect thing. The national media is like the flag I'm looking at right now. Yesterday it was blowing out of the south. Today out of the north. I care about the Texans W/L record. The rest takes care of itself.

I care more about our local coverage (or lack of) because there's a friggin gold mine of information over at Reliant Park that doesn't get reported/featured as it should.

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Well everyone knows that VY would have made a better than either of them. They didn't say that, but I but jerome soloman would.
Yeah..you just keep smoking that orange stuff out of Austin.
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I care more about our local coverage (or lack of) because there's a friggin gold mine of information over at Reliant Park that doesn't get reported/featured as it should.
Why don't you do something about that AJ ? Step up and give us that info !
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Why don't you do something about that AJ ?
Because I don't have a media credential. But I have seen what's behind the curtain many times over the past several years. No need to re-hash how poor our local print media coverage is.
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Because I don't have a media credential. But I have seen what's behind the curtain many times over the past several years. No need to re-hash how poor our local print media coverage is.
I used to get media credentials even after I had gotten out of basketball for two years, regardless of market. You know the biz, you know this town and you know football inside and out....there has got to be a way.

This community is not huge, but TexansTalk (you are a contributing member here) does pull second rank on Google on a Houston Texans web search and as our team scales, then good coverage needs to scale with it.

Unfortunately, there are not that many people who care about the Texans, locally in the media, to drive the national media.
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Credentials or no credentials, AJ is one of those that one can trust to relate information that is “straight” and unfettered.......... when available to him.
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...there has got to be a way.
Precedent says not.

I'll spare you the copious and gory details.
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Heh, let the haters keep on keepin' on. Meanwhile, Mario is working out, getting stronger and faster, and getting ready to sniff 20 sacks next season.

If I was ever going to buy a jersey, I would very loudly, very proudly wear Mario's.
Chris, answer me honestly. Were you for the Mario pick 2 years ago or were you for Reggie or Vince? Just asking.
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chris long is gonna be a helluva pro... he has the potential to be as good or better than mario. we'll find out soon enough, though. there's nothing wrong with mcshay's opinion.
Chris Long at DE? Isn't this guy kind of a tweener? I really don't think he is even the best DE in the draft. I think he gets a lot more play than he deserves because of his HOF dad. I don't like his chances at DE because out of 64 starting DEs in the NFL last year 12 were lightskinned guys. Talk to me about Long when he reaches the status of say...Kampman, Kearney, Jared Allen or Vandenbosch. Right now I', putting money on him to be another Jason Babin.
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I would certianly vote to get AJ a press credential.
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I honestly don't know who Todd McShay is, so I guess I'm not missing much. But I don't understand why it would upset people for someone to say that Chris Long might be really really good. Long is going to be a top five pick and in the right situation he could make a major impact in his rookie season.....
yeah, that. jeez you guys, stop being such freakin homers... i love mario, but i think chris long is gonna be a good one too. just wait and see. who'll be better? i really don't know at this point, and neither do any of you.
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Except for the fact he was wrong when saying that Mario ran some slow times (even though he ran 4.6) and then immediately following that up by saying Chris Long's 4.75 40 is plenty fast for him (despite the fact he ran slower than Mario despite being smaller).
fair enough. i'm simply saying, chris long is gonna be good one. just my opinion. i could care less about 40 times... ESPN gets things like that wrong all the time, we know... move on.
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I think a lot of people see the name behind Chris Long, great bloodline, great motor guy, great character with good measureables. I'm just wondering how much of the national attention he gets is because of the name behind him. Guy hasn't taken a snap in the NFL either so it's kind of unfair to say anything yet. I'd feel comfortable with people saying his game translates to X player.

I think for people like Todd McShay the way that now famous draft has gone down two years later Mario has come back to bite them big time. Honestly a DE is measured by sacks and pressure. Last year Mario ended third in the NFL. By similar comparisons the measures for Running backs and QBs neither Vince or Bush have done anything remotely similar. They might be able to say Vince has gotten the Titans to back to back playoff births but looking at his play and stats this year it becomes evident that.... well he might've contributed but the defense and running game pulled that team. Soon as Deuce went down Reggie's along with the Saints season was doomed. Payton might be behooved to look at game tapes of Dave Meggett.

I hope articles like these keep trickling in and they make their way to Mario's locker with push pins or tape. Would love to see us take a flyer on Blake from TCU in the 4th or 5th. Weaver might be healthy this year but I expect him to have one foot half way out the door this year(barring some miraculous season).
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I think a lot of people see the name behind Chris Long, great bloodline, great motor guy, great character with good measureables. I'm just wondering how much of the national attention he gets is because of the name behind him. Guy hasn't taken a snap in the NFL either so it's kind of unfair to say anything yet. I'd feel comfortable with people saying his game translates to X player.
I'd say Long compares with the Titans' Kyle Vanden Bosch. Good size, speed, and tremendous effort. Long didn't put up sack numbers until his senior year, but you have to remember that he played DE in a 3-4 defense. It's more difficult for a DE to get to the edge in that defense, and much easier for him to be double teamed. Long is too small to play a 3-4 DE at the pro level, which is why some 3-4 teams have worked him as a OLB. But really, Long is a 4-3 DE who has the skills to play either side.

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They might be able to say Vince has gotten the Titans to back to back playoff births...
They could say it, but they would be wrong. The Titans didn't make the playoffs in Young's rookie season.
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I'd say Long compares with the Titans' Kyle Vanden Bosch. Good size, speed, and tremendous effort. Long didn't put up sack numbers until his senior year, but you have to remember that he played DE in a 3-4 defense. It's more difficult for a DE to get to the edge in that defense, and much easier for him to be double teamed. Long is too small to play a 3-4 DE at the pro level, which is why some 3-4 teams have worked him as a OLB. But really, Long is a 4-3 DE who has the skills to play either side.


They could say it, but they would be wrong. The Titans didn't make the playoffs in Young's rookie season.
Thanks for the comparison and yep i did boot that last statement. I should've said winning seasons.
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what's the big deal?

the fact that Mario was the comparison benchmark - instead of Gaines Adams or Jared Allen or someone else - speaks volumes of grudging respect. But you guys are totally ignoring that fact. By using Mario for comparison to the "best" lineman in this draft, Long, they're admitting they were wrong in '06.

At least, that's the way I see it.
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what's the big deal?

the fact that Mario was the comparison benchmark - instead of Gaines Adams or Jared Allen or someone else - speaks volumes of grudging respect. But you guys are totally ignoring that fact. By using Mario for comparison to the "best" lineman in this draft, Long, they're admitting they were wrong in '06.

At least, that's the way I see it.
I'm pretty sure they just said "Mario Williams" because he was the last big name DE drafted really high (Gaines Adams did not have Mario Williams style hype).

All in all, I think that Mario and Chris are probably going to end up competing against each other for the title of "Sack King" in just a few years, but that's just because I think Long is a guy that has a lot of the skills you can't really teach (Heart, guts, motor).
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Long didn't put up sack numbers until his senior year, but you have to remember that he played DE in a 3-4 defense. It's more difficult for a DE to get to the edge in that defense, and much easier for him to be double teamed.
As I said earlier in this thread, my vote definitely goes to Mario anyway, but this is a good point about Long and really a testimony to his ability as a pass rusher since he was able to compile an impressive sack total (12, 13, whatever in '07 ?), from a defensive scheme that isn't the most advantagous for a pass-rushing DE to play from.
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