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Old 04-10-2008   #21
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If any of these 'experts' were so smart, they'd be working for an NFL team instead of just talking about NFL teams.
It's comments that those that bring more attention to ESPN, especially the website. There's no such thing as journalistic integrity on TV, just about everything they do is done for ratings.

On another note, the NFL Network isn't as good as it used to be. I used to watch it every day for hours, but now I'll only watch one show if that.
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Default Re: Todd Mcshay says he'd take Chris Long over Mario!!!

chris long is gonna be a helluva pro... he has the potential to be as good or better than mario. we'll find out soon enough, though. there's nothing wrong with mcshay's opinion.
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On another note, the NFL Network isn't as good as it used to be. I used to watch it every day for hours, but now I'll only watch one show if that.
I agree. My problem with NFLN is they repeat so much stuff. I know it's hard to have new fresh stuff all the time, but they repeat the same stuff 20 times a day it seems.
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chris long is gonna be a helluva pro... he has the potential to be as good or better than mario. we'll find out soon enough, though. there's nothing wrong with mcshay's opinion.
Except for the fact he was wrong when saying that Mario ran some slow times (even though he ran 4.6) and then immediately following that up by saying Chris Long's 4.75 40 is plenty fast for him (despite the fact he ran slower than Mario despite being smaller).
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Except for the fact he was wrong when saying that Mario ran some slow times (even though he ran 4.6) and then immediately following that up by saying Chris Long's 4.75 40 is plenty fast for him (despite the fact he ran slower than Mario despite being smaller).
Thats what gets me, Long doesnt even truly have a position in the NFL. Hes kind of a tweener, to small for end, to slow for OLB. Im not saying he isnt a player, but he is a pretty big risk.
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Default Re: Todd Mcshay says he'd take Chris Long over Mario!!!

I don't see all the fuss. Chris Long is going to be the penultimate pro player. I've never seen a college player play as hard as Chris week in week out. His motor never stops. If they were both in the draft, of course I'd pick Mario because he is already a 10+ sack NFL player. ButI think both are very good
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I don't see all the fuss. Chris Long is going to be the penultimate pro player. I've never seen a college player play as hard as Chris week in week out. His motor never stops. If they were both in the draft, of course I'd pick Mario because he is already a 10+ sack NFL player. ButI think both are very good
Did you not read my post? Mcshay's reasoning for the pick mentioned none of these points. It was the speed difference which is an outright lie.
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chris long is gonna be a helluva pro... he has the potential to be as good or better than mario. we'll find out soon enough, though. there's nothing wrong with mcshay's opinion.
If that is true in what your saying then why are the Dolphins negotiating with Jake Long & Vernon Gholston? I like Chris Long but to be the overall #1 pick no way and Mario williams is a beast I would take Mario all day long over Chris Long.
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chris long is gonna be a helluva pro... he has the potential to be as good or better than mario. we'll find out soon enough, though. there's nothing wrong with mcshay's opinion.

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Default Re: Todd Mcshay says he'd take Chris Long over Mario!!!

I think Chris Long should be a solid player in the NFL. I doubt he gets a lot of sacks but I think he'll just be an all around solid player that any team would love to have on the field and in the locker room.

Mario Williams is a guy that just has an ungodly amount of upside (going into the nfl). His ceiling is much higher than Chris' is, imo. I do think Chris is a 'safer' pick (higher floor), but we have the advantage of seeing Mario after 2 seasons in the NFL and can see he's developing quite nicely.

I think it also probably depends on what the team needs are and what schemes they may run as to who may be a better fit, but who knows.

All in all if we had to do the 2006 Draft over again and had to choose from Mario Williams, Reggie Bush, Vince Young, and Chris Long (if he was a senior then).... I'd choose Mario Williams.
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chris long is gonna be a helluva pro... he has the potential to be as good or better than mario. we'll find out soon enough, though. there's nothing wrong with mcshay's opinion.
Chris Long & Mario both turned 23 earlier this year, so they are the same age yet Mario has 2 years in the league, and has firmly established himself as one of the best young DLineman in the leauge, yet we don't really know how good Long will be ? Mario can play any position in the DLine of a 4-3 or 3-4, while Long does not have that kind of versatility. He's about 20 pounds heavier, with much better length (height and arms), and is more athletic. No brianer, Mario hands down. Actually I don't think Long is even the best DE in this Draft, that would be Vernon Gholston.
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WWTD? Bill Parcells has said that if he had the 1st pick in the 2006 draft, he would have selected Mario Williams. There's no doubt in my mind that he'd choose Williams over Long if both were coming out of the same draft. That's not a knock on Long, who is a top 10 prospect in any draft. Just that Mario is one of the top two defensive line prospects over the past 10 years.

Has Todd McShay ever gotten anything right? Seriously.
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I agree. My problem with NFLN is they repeat so much stuff. I know it's hard to have new fresh stuff all the time, but they repeat the same stuff 20 times a day it seems.
But, you'd have to admit, The Network does make the off-season a little less lonely. The time between Super Bowl and the draft always seems like forever, but with NFLN, I can still get my football fix when I need it.

They do repeat a lot of stuff, but it's the slow news time of year for them. I bet it picks up after the draft and we get closer to camps.
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WWTD? Bill Parcells has said that if he had the 1st pick in the 2006 draft, he would have selected Mario Williams. There's no doubt in my mind that he'd choose Williams over Long if both were coming out of the same draft. That's not a knock on Long, who is a top 10 prospect in any draft. Just that Mario is one of the top two defensive line prospects over the past 10 years.

Has Todd McShay ever gotten anything right? Seriously.
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Has Todd McShay ever gotten anything right? Seriously.
Not on his own.

Most of his "stuff" is stolen from Kiper & Mayock anyway.
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Put Chris Long's motor in Mario's chassis and you would have one ungodly machine. Throw in a little anti-social nastiness (they're both very nice kids), and you'd have the ultimate defensive player.

Still, I have to think that Mario would be the choice over Long. You can theoretically train someone to go all-out, all the time, but you can't train someone to have Mario's size and athleticism.

That said, I would be surprised if the Dolphins pick someone other than Chris Long at #1. He's got the bloodlines and is a natural leader. He was groomed by one of Parcells' own lieutenants. His ability to bring it every down is off the charts. And his name is never going to show up on a police blotter.
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Yup, it's kind of like Methadone for Heroin addicts. Not the real deal, but takes the edge off. The worst day with some NFL is better than the best day without any.
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Total Access is a staple at my house. It's the hour of NFL-N I dont miss every evening at 6. Schefter usually breaks stuff. Lombardi just presented an interesting scenario just now about McFadden falling to the Bengals, citing seven premium OLs and DLs going in the top ten being the better investment of multi-millions, the short shelf life on RBs, and using Reggie Bush as an example of all boots no cattle - followed by debate with Eisen and Faulk.

Faulk is right there with Emmitt in his dullness though. Yesterday he said (during a discussion of OLs) that there's "a lot of Walter Jones' out there" in the context of some team taking either a CB or RB high in the first and waiting on an OL for later. Yeahright....

Between NFLTA, Florio's site, and redzone or Sportspages that's about all you need to stay up with what's going on.

I honestly don't know who Todd McShay is, so I guess I'm not missing much. But I don't understand why it would upset people for someone to say that Chris Long might be really really good. Long is going to be a top five pick and in the right situation he could make a major impact in his rookie season.....

The look on the Dolphins fans faces (not to mention Quinn) when Goodell said the name 'Ted Ginn' is as priceless as any Jets fan draft day meltdown...

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