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Old 04-08-2008   #41
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Yeah, I was just repeating it. Despite the fact they had an awful year, I still think the Rams are better. They arent nearly as bad as their record showed. I have just been the guy bitten by calling them my sleeper pick, only to watch them win 4 games. Not falling for it again.
I used to live in Phoenix back in the late 80's/early 90's. And I rooted for the Cards for a while and I was always hoping that they'd pull it together and do well. But like you said, every year they're the sleeper pick and every year they blow it (except for one bizarre year with Plummer when they reached the playoffs without having beaten a winning team all season and then beat the Cowgirls in the playoffs which was suweet.) So I agree with you. I will not pick the Cardinals to even have a winning record until they actually have one for a couple of years running.
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It's true, we are one draft pick away from being considered a playoff contender. We finished .500 and in some divisions, in down years a .500 team can make the playoffs as a wild card. One and done isn't my idea of fun though so sure, there's still a lot of work to do before we are where we would all like to be year-in and year-out.

Say the Texans picked a RB and that guy blew up like Peterson did last year for the Vikings. We're looking at taking 10-11 games next year and we're a playoff team. Once we get there our defense will be exposed like Britney Spears getting out of a sports car but we'll be in the show.
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With the addtion of Chris Brown, I don't think a RB is in the cards in round 1, whether it's Stewart or the fumble prone Mendenhall. I'm really honing in on a LT, of which there are several I like that could be there. I could also see a CB, and if Keith Rivers falls, I could see that move too.
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With the addtion of Chris Brown, I don't think a RB is in the cards in round 1, whether it's Stewart or the fumble prone Mendenhall. I'm really honing in on a LT, of which there are several I like that could be there. I could also see a CB, and if Keith Rivers falls, I could see that move too.
Williams is the only LT I've seen that might be there. Otah and Baker projected late first or early 2nd. You would not take a franchise type back in Stewart? We have little idea what we get with Brown and while I am glad he is on roster, he would go quickly to # 2 if we got Stewart. If WIlliams there,he has my first vote. Next is Stewart and Mike Jenkins third. I think all 3 will be gone and a trade may not be there as most teams have same chance to get a good player after 18 as we do.
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By the way, out of the first round players, who are the guys that are physically the most gifted, academically and football smart, and are known as having very high character? (They are not afraid of small school guys or upside guys with good measurables). The Texans love these guys.

Once you start moving down off the top of the draft where player evaluation gets much more subjective from team to team, these are the factors that become very important to the Texans. Tell me who the reputed smart, good character guys are, the guys with the light shining behind their eyes, and those are the guys the Texans are sniffing out.
Taking this into consideration, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the Texans were perhaps thinking about Antoine Cason. The guy is reportedly high character, smart, and productive. A couple scouting reports:

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Good athleticism...Decent size with long arms...Excellent instincts, anticipation and awareness...Playmaker with terrific hands and ball skills...Is quick and plays faster than he times...Very aggressive...Good technique and footwork...Does a solid job of supporting the run...A reliable tackler...Pretty tough...Smart, a hard worker and a leader...Very productive...Confident and has a short memory...Terrific bloodlines.

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Does not have great timed speed and lacks a burst...Will have to get stronger...Is not overly physical...Struggles to recover when beat...Hips are not very fluid...Has trouble taking on / shedding blockers...Probably won't be an ideal fit for everyone.

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Father Wendell played at Oregon and for the Atlanta Falcons from 1984-1987, his brother Dione ran track at Washington St. and two of his cousins (Ken-yon Rambo and Avieon Cason) played in the NFL...Started the Cason Cares campaign to raise money for the American Cancer Society in honor of his late grandfather...Was also a member of the Wildcat track team...Prototypical zone corner...Also being looked at as a potential safety..Not quite the pro prospect that his college press clippings would lead you to believe...Very good player whose lack of top speed will hurt him on draft day...He's the type you hate to doubt due to those top-notch intangibles.
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Game tape, plain and simple. You can question his athleticism, if you'd like to. But if you watch the kid play, I'll wish you good luck in finding a better corner in the college ranks. Smooth, sound and instinctive, and just looks very natural playing football. A four-year starter at Arizona, Cason won the Thorpe Award as a senior, and was leaned on scheme-wise to do a lot in the Wildcats defense. Cason's also big and plays a physical brand ball, able to effectively jam receivers and also come up strong in run support. He plays the ball well while it's in the air, and displays exceptional route recognition. Very smart, great character, a leader and student of the game. Among the corners in this year's draft, there probably isn't a player who is more ready to step in right away than Cason. And he was an excellent return man as a collegian. Comes up big when you need him most, and finishes on the ball.

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Most revolve around his speed. He can break on the ball, but could struggle downfield with receivers that can kick it into another gear well into their routes, and might have problems recovering from mistakes, even if neither of those things are really apparent on tape. Because of that, he's earned the moniker that corners that aren't track stars inherit - cover-2 corner. Also, he doesn't drop or flip his hips as well as Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie or Mike Jenkins, though he has been able to make up for it with technique and intelligence.
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Cason is ranked #24 of top 64 by NFL draft Scout behind CBs McKelvin, Mike Jenkins and DRC. He should be at 18 but may be avail if we got a trade down for even better value. I've read he is the most ready to start of CBs even if others have more upside. If Dunta will be back mid season or so, what better player to select unless, Smithiak feels comfortable with Reeves.
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As much as the Texans would love to trade down its only going to happen if someone very coveted falls into their lap (Williams out of Vandy, Clady, Rivers, etc.) and then the Texans would have to consider drafting the player themselves.

Sage is our only real asset that could be moved for draft picks. we want a 2nd and there are no biters, so it looks like we are pretty much stuck at #18 barring someone falling on draft day in our laps.

I just think they should go the BPA route at #18 and hope one of our highest rated players falls in our lap. I would love to have Rivers playing alongside DeMeco for the next 8 years. I would also love to have a top OT prospect for Gibbs to groom. Those would be something we could hang our hat on for sure. I would lean towards defense but that is because I believe you build the defense first and let the offense do enough to win. It may not be the prettiest brand of football but it wins games and most importantly championships.
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Cason is ranked #24 of top 64 by NFL draft Scout behind CBs McKelvin, Mike Jenkins and DRC. He should be at 18 but may be avail if we got a trade down for even better value. I've read he is the most ready to start of CBs even if others have more upside. If Dunta will be back mid season or so, what better player to select unless, Smithiak feels comfortable with Reeves.
They don't give the Thorpe trophy away. Cason can play but he has some fundamental flaws in his mechanics that could be exposed at the pro level and doesnt have the closing speed that scouts covet. That is why all the red flags.

I would have no problem with them taking Cason at #18. He would be nearly BPA with that pick and would address an area of critical need.

I would prefer defense but I feel the team is leaning towards LT because there are a few quality LT candidates that could fall in our lap when the smoke clears. It's pretty much up to Gibbs. He may defer and ask to draft another Guard prospect in the 3rd instead and let #18 go to defense. WHo knows?
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I would love a trade down. Everyone loves a trade down. Unless.....

Their favorite guy shows up available at #18. And you might miss him if you trade down.

I just think it is funny how fans get attached to certain players in the draft. And then in retrospect holler about the ones that weren't picked but ended up being good, (and don't say much about the ones who ended up being non-good).

I'm not arguing with anyone on this point, but just mentally preparing people for this as a possibility.
That's why you wait till #18 & if your guy has fallen to you (DRC, Williams, Clady) you take him.

If noone has fallen you listen to trade offers & if some team makes it worth your while you do the deal. Other wise you take BPA.

This is why I love the draft. All of the cat & mouse games.

I feel very comfortable with the draft being in Smithiak's hands, as opposed to what went on with the CC regime.

I can't wait till next years draft when Smithiak have their full compliment of draft choices.
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i am definitely in favor of the trade down for more picks philosophy. with rick smith, alex gibbs and gary kubiak running the draft i think anything to get more picks and more options increases our chances of success. i DON'T thing we're one pick away from success. i would agree that we are one good DRAFT away. and i think the more chances you give those three guys to hit oil, the more oil they hit.

especially in this supposedly talent rich draft that we have this year.
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p.s.

i think y'all should consider changing smithiak to SMIGGSIAK. you're nuts if you don't think alex gibbs is going to have a profound influence on their decisions.

all in favor?
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i think y'all should consider changing smithiak to SMIGGSIAK. you're nuts if you don't think alex gibbs is going to have a profound influence on their decisions.

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Absolutely not. This is a Smith and Gary Kubiak team. Gibbs is a valued employee and contributor with good teaching skills. He will be listened to but Kubes and Smith make the decisions.
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Absolutely not. This is a Smith and Gary Kubiak team. Gibbs is a valued employee and contributor with good teaching skills. He will be listened to but Kubes and Smith make the decisions.
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when people say we need a rb i cant help but think they don't know much about the texans
My thought is the difference between we need a RB and we NEED a RB.

I think the Chris Brown signing pushed us back drafting RB til 3-4th. A guy like Allen Patrick, Dantrell Savage, or Tashard Choice would plug and play nicely.

In the past we might've been looking for that ball hawking FS but I don't think this staff places nearly a high importance on the rangey type. I'd expect we'd stick with Demps and either Earl or Brown as the starter at SS where the the later two belong. Very curious to see what a healthy Brandon Harrison brings to the table. I'd love to see us take a flyer in the 4th or 5th on Blake from TCU and have the possibility of getting a presence across from Mario regularly.

I'm expecting zone secondary this next year and hopefully Smith being more agressive earlier in the year in getting pressure one way or another with the front 7.
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My thought is the difference between we need a RB and we NEED a RB.

I think the Chris Brown signing pushed us back drafting RB til 3-4th. A guy like Allen Patrick, Dantrell Savage, or Tashard Choice would plug and play nicely.

In the past we might've been looking for that ball hawking FS but I don't think this staff places nearly a high importance on the rangey type. I'd expect we'd stick with Demps and either Earl or Brown as the starter at SS where the the later two belong. Very curious to see what a healthy Brandon Harrison brings to the table. I'd love to see us take a flyer in the 4th or 5th on Blake from TCU and have the possibility of getting a presence across from Mario regularly.

I'm expecting zone secondary this next year and hopefully Smith being more agressive earlier in the year in getting pressure one way or another with the front 7.

I think that the way that Smith/Kubiak handle the offseason is that they try to acquire certain offseason free agents such that they can take the best player available in the draft and do not have to reach for need.

So, Chris Brown doesn't preclude taking running back high if the best player available is located there. Just as Reeves doesn't preclude CB, etc.

If an unexpected guy is still available at #18, and the Texans value him high, they will want to take him no matter who they acquired in free agency.
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I think that the way that Smith/Kubiak handle the offseason is that they try to acquire certain offseason free agents such that they can take the best player available in the draft and do not have to reach for need.

So, Chris Brown doesn't preclude taking running back high if the best player available is located there. Just as Reeves doesn't preclude CB, etc.

If an unexpected guy is still available at #18, and the Texans value him high, they will want to take him no matter who they acquired in free agency.
Agreed for the most part. I'm just equally saying I think Brown getting signed makes the decision easier far value goes IMO. If Mendenhall fell that'd be one thing but for me the shelf life of a RB isn't nearly as long as CB or T.

As usual there will be someone jumping into the top 15 unexpectedly that will cause somone to drop. The front office has done a great job of giving us draft flexibility.
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IMO Thomas Brown would be agreat choice in the 5th rd. Vermiel really liked him @ the East West Shrine Game.

That's if they decide to go in that direction.

Personally I want to see them take BPA, but if all things are eaqual I would like to see them draft defense. Minus LT.
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I feel very comfortable with the draft being in Smithiak's hands, as opposed to what went on with the CC regime.

I almost get the giggles when I hear "Draft Expert Charlie Casserly" on tv. Then you see the caption below "Texans GM 2000 - 2006" and you realize it wasn't a bad dream afterall.
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Default Re: What Team Is One Draft Pick Away From Contention?

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Originally Posted by Roc Hoover View Post
I almost get the giggles when I hear "Draft Expert Charlie Casserly" on tv. Then you see the caption below "Texans GM 2000 - 2006" and you realize it wasn't a bad dream afterall.
yeah and now its being spun that he chose Mario over Bush. McNair and Kubiak chose Mario over Bush, not Casserley. In fact, after the draft Casserley said he had Bush as the #1 rated player on the board, after the fact. Now he wants to take credit for it now that it looks better. Screw Cass. The only reason he announced the pick was because McNair didn't want to fire him before his big NFL Executive position interview because McNair wanted a friend in the NFL hierarchy and wanted Casserley to save face so he could possibly get into the NY offices...of course, he was not chosen for the position and has been unemployed ever since. Real 'experts' don't stay unemployed long, in fact, they are normally picked up ijmmediately.

The only thing he was an expert at was giving away picks, making reaches on scrubs, and acting like he was smarter than 'joe fan'. Total prick and his interviews were normally about as abrasive as his cratered face.
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