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Old 04-01-2008   #61
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I think after the second or maybe third 80 yard TD the coaches probably would have figured it out.
It was two 82 yard TD passes. Isn't Brown more suited to play SS not FS so him playing out of position could be as much of the problem as anything.
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It was two 82 yard TD passes. Isn't Brown more suited to play SS not FS so him playing out of position could be as much of the problem as anything.
I thought it was two but saying three sounded much better so sshhshss.
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It was two 82 yard TD passes. Isn't Brown more suited to play SS not FS so him playing out of position could be as much of the problem as anything.
Im not really impressed with any of the S on our roster and its my favorite position on defense. Exccept for demps
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I think after the second or maybe third 80 yard TD the coaches probably would have figured it out.
Why?

Kubiak an CO. have made bad/less than adequate decisions more than once in the past. Why would this situation be any different...

But afterall the key words in your statement are..."I think"...that sums it up for me....

P.S...it was only two...

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I dont want him to look like an All-Pro I want him or his replacement to be one. How about we get a safety who can actually help our corners over the top.
And to go one step further, how about corners that can run with the WR? Or a Dline that lives up to it's calling. How about linebackers that absolutely closes off the run. We are getting there. We just have to fix the big drips before we do the little ones. You can not always put on an entire new roof. I understand your frustration, but Smithiac does not see the safeties as a dire need. It will be addressed and may have been already. Harrison might be solid. Demps may be all pro for 16 games now he has cast off and is starting.
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I actually think the Texans biggest problem in pass coverage is the intermediate stuff... 10-15 yards past the LOS...

I'd put that mostly on the corners, nickel back and LB's....


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Why?

Kubiak an CO. have made bad/less than adequate decisions more than once in the past. Why would this situation be any different...

But afterall the key words in your statement are..."I think"...that sums it up for me....

P.S...it was only two...
LOL..... Nice

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And to go one step further, how about corners that can run with the WR? Or a Dline that lives up to it's calling. How about linebackers that absolutely closes off the run. We are getting there. We just have to fix the big drips before we do the little ones. You can not always put on an entire new roof. I understand your frustration, but Smithiac does not see the safeties as a dire need. It will be addressed and may have been already. Harrison might be solid. Demps may be all pro for 16 games now he has cast off and is starting.
One of my original posts in this thread.

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That excuse works for every player on the field. Get two good safties and our CB's look good.

Get a good secondary our Dline gets more sacks.

Get a good pass rush our secondary looks good.

blah blah blah, CC brown is not a starting quality SS or FS.
Big Drips. IMO CC is the like a tree branch sticking right threw the roof.
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LOL..... Nice

There you go.
Yeah, no difference in those two statements....

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Yeah, no difference in those two statements....

You are brilliant. J/K.
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LOL your the one who destroyed his own post by saying.
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ME

LOL your the one who destroyed his own post by saying.
Since you don't seem to understand I'll explain the difference in the two statements...

My statement can be looked at and analyzed, and either argued for or against with facts..."I think most passes are completed here"

Your statement is pissing in the wind..."I think they would have/should have thought this"



Yeah...no difference there...


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Since you don't seem to understand I'll explain the differene in the two statements...

My statement can be looked at and analyzed, and either argued for or against with facts..."I think most passes are completed here"

Your statement is pissing in the wind..."I think they would have thought this"



Yeah...no difference there...

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I think after the second or maybe third 80 yard TD the coaches probably would have figured it out.
Pretty sure I didnt say
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Once again I said "I think the coaches would be able to firgure this out."

Meaning if I can (just an average fan) then they should be able to.


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I actually think the Texans biggest problem in pass coverage is the intermediate stuff... 10-15 yards past the LOS...

I'd put that mostly on the corners, nickel back and LB's....
Now your just an average fan to. Pretty sure you didnt do any (qouting you again)
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P.S. Dont get mad because you made your self look (no name calling) nevermind.
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Why the Colts don't spend big on corners

April 1, 2008 10:21 AM

Posted by ESPN.com's Mike Sando

Colts coach Tony Dungy played defensive back in the NFL, but he would put his money on pass-rushers over cornerbacks every time. "Bill [Polian] and I talk about that," Dungy said from the league meetings in West Palm Beach, Fla. "If you had that choice, you've got to go with the front people because they are harder to find and they have more of an impact on the game."

The Colts are not lavish spenders in free agency. When they do spend big on veteran players, cornerbacks aren't a high priority. Their scheme requires the front four to get pressure, while placing fewer demands on corners in coverage. Oakland, Denver, San Francisco and Green Bay are among the teams that have spent heavily on cornerbacks, with mixed results. The Packers have great depth on their defensive line, a key to their success on that side of the ball.


I think this applies to safeties as well. That philosophy sounds good to me, and based on how Kubiak and Smith have gone about drafting players (Mario and Amobi early, Brandon Harrison and Bennett on the second day) I think they probably ascribe to this as well. If you can provide a great pass rush with your front four, you can get by just fine with average players in your secondary. Jason David looked pretty good back there for them (the Colts) when they won the super bowl, but a year later he was denounced by New Orleans fans for being horrible. How a player performs is quite dependent on the scheme he plays in, and the personnel around him.

That being said, my point is that I think this team's philosophy is to draft and design a defense that can generate pressure with it's front four, and within that frame of mind an average player like CC should be sufficient in his role.
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I think both are good signings, we dont gain anything but we dont lose anything. I firmly believe CC is at least an adequate safety. Now Petey is another story, he is a major weak link.
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I dont want him to look like an All-Pro I want him or his replacement to be one. How about we get a safety who can actually help our corners over the top.
C.C. Brown should never be called upon to be a FREE Safety. IMHO - As a Strong Safety he IS adequate.

If you're asking a SS to play "over the top" more than rarely, your defensive package "sucks".

Think you can find that All-Pro for 1.4 mil, then step up and show Kubiak & Smith how to do it...otherwise re-spewing your venom over & over again in this thread is just ludicrous.

We understand your opinion already, some agree, some disagree. Can we move on?
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C.C. Brown should never be called upon to be a FREE Safety. IMHO - As a Strong Safety he IS adequate.

If you're asking a SS to play "over the top" more than rarely, your defensive package "sucks".

Think you can find that All-Pro for 1.4 mil, then step up and show Kubiak & Smith how to do it...otherwise re-spewing your venom over & over again in this thread is just ludicrous.

We understand your opinion already, some agree, some disagree. Can we
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I have said numerious times I agree with the signing. There was no one else to get. Demeco Ryans is All-Pro type of player and he makes around that much per year. Why? Because he was drafted by us. Thats exactly what I want the Texans to do draft a FS in the Second (if we have one by then) or Third round to groom and eventually compete for the starting FS spot. Then we could move Will Demps to SS.

I wouldnt be re-spewing my venom over and over again if people werent qouting me.

Im sick of all of the people making excuses for CC Brown. They sound like Carr lovers. "Its not his fault he plays like crap its the rest of the team."
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Why the Colts don't spend big on corners

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One reason is because they draft the crap out of DBs.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/ful...2200&type=team
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I have said numerious times I agree with the signing. There was no one else to get. Demeco Ryans is All-Pro type of player and he makes around that much per year. Why? Because he was drafted by us. Thats exactly what I want the Texans to do draft a FS in the Second (if we have one by then) or Third round to groom and eventually compete for the starting FS spot. Then we could move Will Demps to SS.

I wouldnt be re-spewing my venom over and over again if people werent qouting me.

Im sick of all of the people making excuses for CC Brown. They sound like Carr lovers. "Its not his fault he plays like crap its the rest of the team."
agree, brown looks good in a texan uni "only", wouldn't mind phelps in the draft because he would be an instant upgrade, wouldn't mind a cb with potential to play at safety either, demps was at the right place at the right time
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One reason is because they draft the crap out of DBs.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/ful...2200&type=team
I think this is a pretty consistent pattern with teams who don't spend a bunch of money at a certain position, they throw lots of bodies at the position through draft picks and priority FAs. Of course, one administation has to be in place long enough for a team to get a pattern as what the position they are going try to fill on the cheap.
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