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Old 03-31-2008   #21
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Is Brown a lock for starting? I thought it would be Demps?
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I just don't see where he should be starting for anyone. If CC Brown is starting, this D will never become a top 10 unit. We have to get better than CC Brown can offer us. It's just plain ole suckage from Mr. Brown.

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Is Brown a lock for starting? I thought it would be Demps?
Demps will be starting at FS. I expect there to be a good bit of competition for the SS spot come TC.

I'm wondering what Brandon Harrison can do.
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Is Brown a lock for starting? I thought it would be Demps?
I think Demps will be starting at FS and CC will be starting at SS (his natural position?) Kink in the mix is the S we got from Denver- whether he starts or backs up... and Glenn Earl (all strong safeties). Can't wait to see Harrison develop, I wonder what his future will be, too.

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If CC Brown is starting, this D will never become a top 10 unit. We have to get better than CC Brown can offer us. It's just plain ole suckage from Mr. Brown.
I think that can be said about a lot of players on our team and most likely it's true. It's just going to take time for this staff to build the team how they want it and CC may not be a part of that in the future. Do I see CC as being a part of a top 10 Defense? Probably not, but I think we're building our D to end up being top 10 for the long haul and Brown is a stepping stone before we can get all the players we want. I can see him eventually being replaced (unless he plays great in this system), Greenwood, while solid, will probably be replaced. We need to get a big run stuffing DT and a pass rushing DE. So that's probably a good 4-5 better players we need before we have an elite Defense and that's not going to happen very quickly.
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Still valid except for the assumption on Demps: http://texanstalk.com/forums/showpos...4&postcount=10
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I'm happy with this news on both accounts. IMO CC is average, but he's also still young and has potential. It's not an outrageous salary even if he ends up losing his starting job this season, and he could potentially benefit from Rhodes' coaching.
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I'm happy about both signings. I believe that CC, while just an average at best SS, still has made improvements over the years and should continue to make improvements.

The signing I'm most interested in is Frye. I thought last year he was a great pick and was hoping he would do well in TC and maybe crack the starting lineup later in the year. But alas, it was not ment to be and Frye went down the 1st day of TC with an injury and never really was able to show anything. I still think he is a good fit in the ZB system, and now with Gibbs here, I'm hoping he will be able to flourish and solidify a spot in the line. Kubes said last year after they drafted him that he has all the tools. He just needs the reps! JMHO!
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If you think the Texans aren't worried about the safety position, think again. We currently have 8 safeties on the roster:

24 Brown, C.C. S 6-0 208 Louisiana-Lafayette 3
40 Cox, Curome S 6-1 204 Maryland 3
47 Demps, Will S 6-0 208 San Diego State 6
Ferguson, Nick S 5-10 201 Georgia Tech 10
31 Harrison, Brandon S 6-2 215 Stanford 0
42 Mitchell, Brandon S 6-3 205 Ohio State 0
29 Simmons, Jason S/CB 5-9 198 Arizona State 10
26 Earl, Glenn SS 6-1 215 Notre Dame

As far as CC is concerned, may be a decent backup, but he isn't starting material. Some of this maybe the Texans fault too considering they've moved him back and forth between FS & SS over the years. I like Demps for the starting FS position, but even he's not a lock.

Good news is there will be a lot of competition in camp.
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If you think the Texans aren't worried about the safety position, think again. We currently have 8 safeties on the roster:

24 Brown, C.C. S 6-0 208 Louisiana-Lafayette 3
40 Cox, Curome S 6-1 204 Maryland 3
47 Demps, Will S 6-0 208 San Diego State 6
Ferguson, Nick S 5-10 201 Georgia Tech 10
31 Harrison, Brandon S 6-2 215 Stanford 0
42 Mitchell, Brandon S 6-3 205 Ohio State 0
29 Simmons, Jason S/CB 5-9 198 Arizona State 10
26 Earl, Glenn SS 6-1 215 Notre Dame

As far as CC is concerned, may be a decent backup, but he isn't starting material. Some of this maybe the Texans fault too considering they've moved him back and forth between FS & SS over the years. I like Demps for the starting FS position, but even he's not a lock.

Good news is there will be a lot of competition in camp.
No doubt, but it's not about quantity it's about quality. Heck, you can have 100 safety's but if they all suck, what good does it do you?
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Would you equate CC Brown in our secondary to Greenwood with our Linebackers? Not spectacular by any means but a solid football player for our team nonetheless, and possibly overpaid?
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No doubt, but it's not about quantity it's about quality. Heck, you can have 100 safety's but if they all suck, what good does it do you?
I agree 100%. But if you don't have that top notch guy whom you can depend on week in and week out, you do the next best thing and bring in as competition as possible and let them battle it out. See if the cream comes to the top.

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CC Brown is a good system guy. Frye is interesting, because he at least passed Gibbs approval. both smart contracts cap wise. congrats guys keep working hard
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You don't start as many games as CC has if your a bad football player. Bad players get replaced in the NFL because you can't afford to have them on your team, the team soon goes in another direction.

As for the paying him too much question, I agree $1.4M is not a lot for a seasoned starter, I'd rather pay that for someone who knows the system, the team and is good to the organisation than pay less for a player that doesn't know the system, may or may not gel, and will take a while to fit in.

Is he the best S in the league, is he the worst, NO on both accounts, is he worth keeping around absolutely.
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CC Brown is a good system guy. Frye is interesting, because he at least passed Gibbs approval. both smart contracts cap wise. congrats guys keep working hard
It does make you wonder.....maybe he could even be the rg next to winston
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I agree 100%. But if you don't have that top notch guy whom you can depend on week in and week out, you do the next best thing and bring in as competition as possible and let them battle it out. See if the cream comes to the top.
Not only that ut you have decent backups to play if people get injured, like last year.
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No doubt, but it's not about quantity it's about quality. Heck, you can have 100 safety's but if they all suck, what good does it do you?
it makes everybody better. they all practice harder and the whole unit gets better. see Houston Texans WR corps in '07.
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You don't start as many games as CC has if your a bad football player. Bad players get replaced in the NFL because you can't afford to have them on your team, the team soon goes in another direction.

Matt Stevens would disagree with you.
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I think they cut Frye, and then resigned him to a one year deal during TC.

CC Brown is the second best safety on the team. I don't see why you wouldn't resign him. He is only 25 years old with only 3 years in the league (more than 75 tackles per year). Most of his problems have been about positioning, and I wouldn't be suprised if he gets alot of that corrected pretty soon and becomes a much better football player. I thought he covered better this last year than ever before.

The thing that CC Brown has that the majority of his backups don't have is that he has 44 games of starting experience in the NFL.

I really do think that CC Brown could have a breakout year if he can fix alot of his positioning problems.
As long as he plays SS, he should be alright. Thats when he stepped up his game, when they moved him over. There is also a lack of saftey talent in this draft, so Ill take C.C over most of the SS talent this year.
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Is he the best S in the league, is he the worst, NO on both accounts, is he worth keeping around absolutely.
Who is starting consistently in the NFL at safety that is worse?

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I dont think there is a list.
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