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[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by TexansSeminole

Chargers had 2 great starters and one good nickel cornerback Cromartie, Jammer, and Florence. The pats also had a nice secondary last year. The Giants had alot of things going for them last year on defense. They put more pressure on QBs than any other team, however their secondary was stronger than ours last year as well.

Denver only has the 2 studs on the outside. Their depth at corner is terrible, after, sadly, their most promising young corner died.

We have already focused on winning the trenches. We could always use more help in the trenches, but we need a talented corner terribly.

whut he said.

[Maddict5]

Originally Posted by TexansSeminole

Chargers had 2 great starters and one good nickel cornerback Cromartie, Jammer, and Florence. The pats also had a nice secondary last year. The Giants had alot of things going for them last year on defense. They put more pressure on QBs than any other team, however their secondary was stronger than ours last year as well.

Denver only has the 2 studs on the outside. Their depth at corner is terrible, after, sadly, their most promising young corner died.

We have already focused on winning the trenches. We could always use more help in the trenches, but we need a talented corner terribly.

i disagree.. we need another decent guy probably but we dont need a 1st rd'er imo

yeah they had what i said we need- two good cb's and a decent nickel.. they beat the colts 2 yrs ago too when cromartie wasnt a starter.. again through dominating up front... all those teams strength was in the front 7 with a decent secondary

a healthy dunta, fred bennett, will demps, harrison/earl etc is a decent secondary

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

Denver?
The Colts didn't play Denver last year.
I'm missing your point.

remember all those playoff games when the colts trounced denver.. so denver went out and got williams, foxworth and paymah as well as champ (and later bly) and their pass D still underachieves because they lack d-line strength

im just saying we should take a look at harvey (unlikely) or merling at #18 instead of a cb

[edo783]

One of the keys to beating the Colts is to rough up their WRs coming off the line. That thows off the timing that they rely on and allows the D-line pressure a bit more time to get to Payton. Pats did that and so did the Steelers when they beat them. IMO, zone doesn't seem to work well against Payton as he finds the holes in the defense quickly, so press man coverage is what we need to work with if we are going to be able to handle them. I think Bennet and Reeves can play that type of game and I know Dunta could.

[ubecool454]

Originally Posted by Imatexanfan

Jonathan Stewart?! Nah I'd pick Jamaal Charles before him IMO. But if that Aqib CB available hes the #18 pick believe that.

No Aqib, no thank you..I will pass...Cromartie or jenkins...i really would like Vernon Gholston but I really doubt he will be there. I just can't forget the Missouri game when talking about aqib.

[ubecool454]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

Denver?
The Colts didn't play Denver last year.
I'm missing your point.

And I agree, basic football 101 says the foundation to a successful offense and defense needs to be your O-line and D-line. I don't think I said any different.

Our D-line is 3/4ths complete. One good, solid DE to replace Weaver and we're set - at least for a while.
We hired Gibbs to school the O-line guys we've been picking up in the draft and thru F/A over the last two years. And I expect us to draft a OT in this year's 1st round and probably pickup a project among the undrafted F/A crowd.

Bottom line, IMHO, is our O-line is a lot closer to being "ready" than our defensive backfield. So if we only have one First-Day pick, I say use it on a stud DB.

I think the colts did play denver. AFC south played the AFC west in 2007.

[Bubbajwp]

Originally Posted by edo783

One of the keys to beating the Colts is to rough up their WRs coming off the line. That thows off the timing that they rely on and allows the D-line pressure a bit more time to get to Payton. Pats did that and so did the Steelers when they beat them. IMO, zone doesn't seem to work well against Payton as he finds the holes in the defense quickly, so press man coverage is what we need to work with if we are going to be able to handle them. I think Bennet and Reeves can play that type of game and I know Dunta could.

I agree 100%

but

You could also say that one of the best ways to beat the colts is to have a great pass rush and keep Peyton off balance or on his A$$ all game.

and

To have a great running game and keep their offense off the field for the majority of the game. Remember the game when Ron Dayne went off on the colts and we won.

[Hardcore Texan]

Originally Posted by Porky

I just found out I can go to the DirecTV website and schedule my DVR at home to record something even though I am not there. Talk about your modern technology. I just set it up to record the 9:30 showing of total access. What will they think of next, some kind of robot lawn mower or some high tech gadget with an onscreen map in your car.

Do you have to have your telephone cord hooked up to it to be able to do that?

[edo783]

Originally Posted by Bubbajwp

I agree 100%

but

You could also say that one of the best ways to beat the colts is to have a great pass rush and keep Peyton off balance or on his A$$ all game.

and

To have a great running game and keep their offense off the field for the majority of the game. Remember the game when Ron Dayne went off on the colts and we won.

All very true. If we can do all three reasonably well, it will make the task a whole lot easier.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by Bubbajwp

You could also say that one of the best ways to beat the colts is to have a great pass rush and keep Peyton off balance or on his A$$ all game.

Manning? Here's how you take care of Manning.

What you've got to do is cut the hamstring on the back of the leg. Right at the bottom. His weight displacement goes back, all his weight is on his right foot, and he'll push everything off to the right.

He'll never follow through on anything. He'll quit the game.

[Bubbajwp]

Originally Posted by Lucky

Manning? Here's how you take care of Manning.

What you've got to do is cut the hamstring on the back of the leg. Right at the bottom. His weight displacement goes back, all his weight is on his right foot, and he'll push everything off to the right.

He'll never follow through on anything. He'll quit the game.

I was expecting a Sniper on top of the stadium comment but I guess that will do to.

[Kaiser Toro]

Originally Posted by Lucky

Manning? Here's how you take care of Manning.

What you've got to do is cut the hamstring on the back of the leg. Right at the bottom. His weight displacement goes back, all his weight is on his right foot, and he'll push everything off to the right.

He'll never follow through on anything. He'll quit the game.

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[bckey]

Originally Posted by Maddict5

i disagree.. we need another decent guy probably but we dont need a 1st rd'er imo

yeah they had what i said we need- two good cb's and a decent nickel.. they beat the colts 2 yrs ago too when cromartie wasnt a starter.. again through dominating up front... all those teams strength was in the front 7 with a decent secondary

a healthy dunta, fred bennett, will demps, harrison/earl etc is a decent secondary



remember all those playoff games when the colts trounced denver.. so denver went out and got williams, foxworth and paymah as well as champ (and later bly) and their pass D still underachieves because they lack d-line strength

im just saying we should take a look at harvey (unlikely) or merling at #18 instead of a cb

I agree with Maddict5 here. I'll add that we picked up Jaques Reeves. He may be able to play our cb2 position until Dunta comes back. As much as Faggins is disliked by fans he is a decent nickel back. If the Texans do draft a cb in the 1st then it may be Dunta's last year with us. If Dunta comes back and plays lights out then he will be up for a big payday after this season. That along with a first round cb and the Reeves signing may be more than the Texans want to invest at that position.

Harvey would be better suited for the Texans than Merling imho. He seems to be the better pure pass rusher which is what we need.

I still hope the Texans draft a LT in the first unless all the top LT are gone including Albert. The LT position has been a revolving door since the Texans began.

[TexansSeminole]

Originally Posted by Maddict5

yeah they had what i said we need- two good cb's and a decent nickel.. they beat the colts 2 yrs ago too when cromartie wasnt a starter.. again through dominating up front... all those teams strength was in the front 7 with a decent secondary

Cromartie is an elite corner, and Florence is much better than a decent nickel. Florence was a pretty good starter before Cromartie knocked him off his starting roll. He makes a great nickel corner and a good starting corner. When Cromartie wasn't starting, Florence was, and Cromartie was playing the nickel, so the same applies. Great secondary that led the league in turnovers last year and have been a great secondary for the last 2 years atleast. They also have McCree. There is no way you could convince me that San Diego hasn't had an elite secondary the last two years.

EDIT: The Chargers also have S Eric Weddle out of Utah (taken at the top of the second round, pick #37), who had a great rookie season last year. He had 53 tackles, an interception, and 6 PDef. He also had a pick against the Colts in the playoffs. He is an athletic guy who played alot of safety and also played inside on nickel and dime situations. He is so athletic, and tackles so well, they they decided to use him at nickel and dimeback as a rookie. That's what good secondaries can do. They have guys that can match up well with receivers. There isn't a receiver on the Colts roster that I would want Fletcher, or Faggins to match up with. Not a single receiver.

Originally Posted by Maddict5

a healthy dunta, fred bennett, will demps, harrison/earl etc is a decent secondary

Dunta won't be healthy all year next year. First off he is going to be out for most of the season, and then he is still not going to be 100% for the rest of the season. Even if he was, our depth at corner is terrible. Reeves, Faggins, and Fletcher as our #2,3,4 (#3,4,5 when Dunta comes back). That's bad depth. I thought that much would be obvious considering how badly we got beat by average WRs sometimes. Lee Evans anyone?

Originally Posted by Maddict5

remember all those playoff games when the colts trounced denver.. so denver went out and got williams, foxworth and paymah as well as champ (and later bly) and their pass D still underachieves because they lack d-line strength

Williams died. Foxworth is a decent #4, a liablity at #3. Paymah isn't worth a graham cracker, as bad if not worse than Petey or Fletcher. Behind them they have Christian Morton, Karl Paymah, and Lamont Reid. Ever heard of them, yea me neither.

You use Denver as if they are the prototypical secondary, but they aren't. In fact, I'd be suprised if Denver didn't go for a corner before the 4th or 5th round in this draft.

As I said before, Denver has the two guys on the outside, none of their other players are worthy of even seeing PT besides MAYBE Foxworth who is less than decent at that.

Another thing: Our front seven is better than Denvers'.

Originally Posted by Maddict5

im just saying we should take a look at harvey (unlikely) or merling at #18 instead of a cb

I don't know. I think we could find a pass rusher in the later rounds. Weaver is good against the run, and I think all he needs is a fresh pass rusher to sub with him. We've already got our bonafide DE, I don't see a reason for paying Mario, Weaver (who gets paid alot), AND the new rookie DE big money. That would be 3 of our highest paid players all DEs. You wouldn't even have a chance to put them all on the field at the same time.

[TexansSeminole]

Originally Posted by bckey

As much as Faggins is disliked by fans he is a decent nickel back.

Faggins is a bad nickel back, and he is terrible on the outside . He gets beat constantly. He leaves the receiver like 15 yards because of his lack of athletic ability. Inside at nickel, your suppose to play your receivers up close, which is something that Faggins struggles at constantly.

[threetoedpete]

Originally Posted by sakebomb

I didn't think it was that bad of a segment.

agreed. hated the pick but the herd has Stewart sloted there. Better than Lincon Kenedy is all I know. With the prospect & inury history of our current RB stable...it's not to surprising. Someone loves Taylor. I'll believe a first round Rb when I see taylor, and or Green, hit the waiver wire.

[threetoedpete]

Originally Posted by edo783

From what I have been reading, Aqib's elevator is a bit slow and he may have trouble understanding the pro game and its complexities.

Well that fits...all I know is that you've been running the "W" drill for eight years, and you still don't get it....that's going to be bit of problem at the next level. I don't care what his number are.

[Goldensilence]

Originally Posted by TexansSeminole

Cromartie is an elite corner, and Florence is much better than a decent nickel. Florence was a pretty good starter before Cromartie knocked him off his starting roll. He makes a great nickel corner and a good starting corner. When Cromartie wasn't starting, Florence was, and Cromartie was playing the nickel, so the same applies. Great secondary that led the league in turnovers last year and have been a great secondary for the last 2 years atleast. They also have McCree. There is no way you could convince me that San Diego hasn't had an elite secondary the last two years.

EDIT: The Chargers also have S Eric Weddle out of Utah (taken at the top of the second round, pick #37), who had a great rookie season last year. He had 53 tackles, an interception, and 6 PDef. He also had a pick against the Colts in the playoffs. He is an athletic guy who played alot of safety and also played inside on nickel and dime situations. He is so athletic, and tackles so well, they they decided to use him at nickel and dimeback as a rookie. That's what good secondaries can do. They have guys that can match up well with receivers. There isn't a receiver on the Colts roster that I would want Fletcher, or Faggins to match up with. Not a single receiver.


Dunta won't be healthy all year next year. First off he is going to be out for most of the season, and then he is still not going to be 100% for the rest of the season. Even if he was, our depth at corner is terrible. Reeves, Faggins, and Fletcher as our #2,3,4 (#3,4,5 when Dunta comes back). That's bad depth. I thought that much would be obvious considering how badly we got beat by average WRs sometimes. Lee Evans anyone?



Williams died. Foxworth is a decent #4, a liablity at #3. Paymah isn't worth a graham cracker, as bad if not worse than Petey or Fletcher. Behind them they have Christian Morton, Karl Paymah, and Lamont Reid. Ever heard of them, yea me neither.

You use Denver as if they are the prototypical secondary, but they aren't. In fact, I'd be suprised if Denver didn't go for a corner before the 4th or 5th round in this draft.

As I said before, Denver has the two guys on the outside, none of their other players are worthy of even seeing PT besides MAYBE Foxworth who is less than decent at that.

Another thing: Our front seven is better than Denvers'.



I don't know. I think we could find a pass rusher in the later rounds. Weaver is good against the run, and I think all he needs is a fresh pass rusher to sub with him. We've already got our bonafide DE, I don't see a reason for paying Mario, Weaver (who gets paid alot), AND the new rookie DE big money. That would be 3 of our highest paid players all DEs. You wouldn't even have a chance to put them all on the field at the same time.

I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on Blake in the 4th or 5th. Could get 1st round talent at that spot. Low risk high reward.

[Maddict5]

Originally Posted by TexansSeminole

Cromartie is an elite corner, and Florence is much better than a decent nickel. Florence was a pretty good starter before Cromartie knocked him off his starting roll. He makes a great nickel corner and a good starting corner. When Cromartie wasn't starting, Florence was, and Cromartie was playing the nickel, so the same applies. Great secondary that led the league in turnovers last year and have been a great secondary for the last 2 years atleast. They also have McCree. There is no way you could convince me that San Diego hasn't had an elite secondary the last two years.

EDIT: The Chargers also have S Eric Weddle out of Utah (taken at the top of the second round, pick #37), who had a great rookie season last year. He had 53 tackles, an interception, and 6 PDef. He also had a pick against the Colts in the playoffs. He is an athletic guy who played alot of safety and also played inside on nickel and dime situations. He is so athletic, and tackles so well, they they decided to use him at nickel and dimeback as a rookie. That's what good secondaries can do. They have guys that can match up well with receivers. There isn't a receiver on the Colts roster that I would want Fletcher, or Faggins to match up with. Not a single receiver.


Dunta won't be healthy all year next year. First off he is going to be out for most of the season, and then he is still not going to be 100% for the rest of the season. Even if he was, our depth at corner is terrible. Reeves, Faggins, and Fletcher as our #2,3,4 (#3,4,5 when Dunta comes back). That's bad depth. I thought that much would be obvious considering how badly we got beat by average WRs sometimes. Lee Evans anyone?



Williams died. Foxworth is a decent #4, a liablity at #3. Paymah isn't worth a graham cracker, as bad if not worse than Petey or Fletcher. Behind them they have Christian Morton, Karl Paymah, and Lamont Reid. Ever heard of them, yea me neither.

You use Denver as if they are the prototypical secondary, but they aren't. In fact, I'd be suprised if Denver didn't go for a corner before the 4th or 5th round in this draft.

As I said before, Denver has the two guys on the outside, none of their other players are worthy of even seeing PT besides MAYBE Foxworth who is less than decent at that.

Another thing: Our front seven is better than Denvers'.



I don't know. I think we could find a pass rusher in the later rounds. Weaver is good against the run, and I think all he needs is a fresh pass rusher to sub with him. We've already got our bonafide DE, I don't see a reason for paying Mario, Weaver (who gets paid alot), AND the new rookie DE big money. That would be 3 of our highest paid players all DEs. You wouldn't even have a chance to put them all on the field at the same time.

yeah the chargers have/had a good secondary.. im not denying that- but they had a front 7 who pressurised maning alot also like the steelers, pats, etc and imo thats how you beat manning- great front 7 + good/ decent secondary

and i used denver as a example of a team who focused on cb's instead of front 4

i do think we need another cb... just think it might be able to be filled in the 3/4 ala freddy.. i take your point getting with a pass- rushing DE in the mid rounds though although fyi, #18 DE wouldn't be a big earner (comparatively) and we're not in any form of cap trouble

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[threetoedpete]

Originally Posted by Lucky

Manning? Here's how you take care of Manning.

What you've got to do is cut the hamstring on the back of the leg. Right at the bottom. His weight displacement goes back, all his weight is on his right foot, and he'll push everything off to the right.

He'll never follow through on anything. He'll quit the game.

First off...we have no one quick enough to get a hand on much less rough up Marvin....for that matter Gonzales. Nope, the only way to get to the clots is to get to Manning. and the only way to do that is with pressure straight up the middle. The more traffic that bumps him the less concentrtion he has down the field. It bothers him...alot. Get him on the ground a couple of times, he's toast for the rest of the game. He is not the same QB.