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Old 12-05-2004   #1
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I went to the Texans at Jets game and Im so disappointed in our team. They played real well in the first half but second half they might as well not have been on the field. Yes there were bad calls and refs blew it big time in this game but that no excuse for our players. Im coming there next week and I hope that we can atleast keep up with Indy this time around. Otherwise Peyton is going to eat us alive.
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...what will it mean if this team does not get 6 wins? Last years team led
the NFL in players on IR, yet gave it all on the field, losing several close
games including to the Jets and the Patriots. I know many of you make a
lot of excuses for this team and why it plays so bad, so often, but do you
really think more time is going to solve the problems with everything else
status quo? Capers is no dummy and knows he has built a foundation on
improvement from one year to the next and will pull out all stops to get
that 6th win--- shoot, we'll probally see plays and schemes and formations
we haven't seen all year to reach that goal-- but, what about the intensity
and the heart and the soul....will we see that? In losing a game, will we be
able to say, "man, the team gave all they had...nothing left on the field."
Or, will we use a fast 'getting old' explanation of 'wait till next year.'
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We (the team)needs ALOT OF WORK.We are 36 months into the NFL.Anybody who knows ANYTHING about football,shouldnt expect TOO much from a three year old team.If we still make the same mistakes in two years...then its time for changes
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We (the team)needs ALOT OF WORK.We are 36 months into the NFL.Anybody who knows ANYTHING about football,shouldnt expect TOO much from a three year old team.If we still make the same mistakes in two years...then its time for changes
So you're saying you want 2 more years, right Coach Capers ?
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We (the team)needs ALOT OF WORK.We are 36 months into the NFL.Anybody who knows ANYTHING about football,shouldnt expect TOO much from a three year old team.If we still make the same mistakes in two years...then its time for changes

i'd say the Texans are in the teenage years.. We want to play with the big boys, but obviously just not ready. Teams aren't overlooking us now.
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So you're saying you want 2 more years, right Coach Capers ?
All I am saying is that Rome wasnt built in a day....Believe me...I want to be the top dog as much as anybody on this site....Hell,I got our Bull tattoed on my back.All I am saying is we are expecting WAY to much for a three year old team.....give it time son....we will get there.It aint easy winning in the NFL
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All I am saying is that Rome wasnt built in a day....Believe me...I want to be the top dog as much as anybody on this site....Hell,I got our Bull tattoed on my back.All I am saying is we are expecting WAY to much for a three year old team.....give it time son....we will get there.It aint easy winning in the NFL

Pride...I've got the bull tattoed on my back as well. I agree and hear what you are saying. It's just tough to swallow!

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Pride...I've got the bull tattoed on my back as well. I agree and hear what you are saying. It's just tough to swallow!

Nunusguy. . . Watch your sarcasim with Pride. . . Gotta take care of our own here
I hear you on "tough to swallow"...I really had my hopes up like alot of people,but I aint getting down on our boys.Being an Oiler fan from back in the day may have made my skin pretty tough....but I hate seeing our team play the way they have in some of those losses.Its 7:30 am mon. and the first thought after a loss is DAMMITT.Thanks for the back-up Pride LOL I am working on getting psls for next year....we will hook up.
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...what will it mean if this team does not get 6 wins?
They will get 7 wins; however, if they don't get at least 6, I think Capers is in a little trouble. That would mean a 5 game losing streak to end the season and the same record as last year. Think about how us, the fans, will react if they only finish with 5 wins and a 5 game losing streak to give them 11 losses. If they go against Cleveland not having won since Tennesee, I think Capers better be out there making tackles himself. It's gonna get real scary if they lose to Chicago after the beating they'll get next Sunday in Indy.

Also, if they don't win at least 6, I will be a real advocate of the fire everybody (almost) posts.
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They will get 7 wins; however, if they don't get at least 6, I think Capers is in a little trouble.
I think he's feeling some real pressure right now, because he knows if he doesn't win 1 more (which I think is not that unlikely), he's unemployed. The
manner of his losses is what getting people upset. For example, we narrowly lost to the Jets & Colts last year, and that's not the case this year. We've had minimal down time (injuries) this year compared to last year. Should we lose out (including the last home game against a disappointing Cleveland team), Dom has got a big problem. And if Clevland is the only win, he still may have a problem. People just don't like it when their team rolls over & plays dead in the 4th quarter.
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The Texans played a sloppy game and were shut out in the second half! I think they went into this game a little too confident. They underestimated the offensive ability of the Jets quarterback because he was coming off an injury. The Texans are good enough to be in the thick of the playoff race. And please don't tell me its too early for this team. How long did it take jacksonville or Carolina to make it to the playoffs!!!
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I just cannot envision Mr. McNair firing Coach Capers this season.
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It's not necessarilly too early. They're just not that good. Maybe they should be, but they're not. The O-line stinks. I don't know if the scheme needs more time to gel or if it's the talent, or both. The team, in general, doesn't have the talent to be where we want them to be right now. Experience will help a lot, but a lack of it is not their only problem.
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I just cannot envision Mr. McNair firing Coach Capers this season.
I can, if we finish 5-11 with our beat down games against Indy, Denver, New York, and most likely Indy again. That's almost as many embarrassments as wins. Also, that game with the Lions was a little bit embarassing and they're bad.

5 wins would mean this team has not only not improved, but that they have actually gone backwards from year 2 to year 3. At least last year we had more competitive losses. But, like I said, this team will probably win 2 more and we'll be talking about how great it's gonna be next year with the 17 T12 (something like that) players and Carr having one more year under his belt, etc., etc.

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I think we will be a little more active in FA too which might give us more hope to talk about for the future.
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We (the team)needs ALOT OF WORK.We are 36 months into the NFL.Anybody who knows ANYTHING about football,shouldnt expect TOO much from a three year old team.If we still make the same mistakes in two years...then its time for changes
I agree.

People become so overly optimistic that they venture into delusional. And then when the reality pin pops their bubble, they become bitter and unrealistic in their expectations and analysis.

The fact of the matter is that we ARE still building a team, not just a bunch of talented individuals that know the same plays.

Just remember that this year, the 3rd, is the first that we had back-to-back wins - TWICE! It is also the first year that we swept a division opponent, as well as the first (and second) time that we ever beat the Titans!

The fact of the matter is that there are 13 other NLF teams that have been around a LOT longer than the Texans and that have the same or worse records than us!

You've got to realize that we do not have enough water (talent) to fill our glass (team) at this point: so is the glass half full or half empty?

I'd say it's half full and we just have to get back to the tap (draft/FA) in the offseason to finally fill that bad boy up!
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I guess 5 years is a new NFL expansion team standard now. Just repeat 5 years over and over and then it becomes truth. We have a mixture of old and young players on this team. The Texans franchise is 3 years old but the players are a mixed bag of experience and ALL are NFL players. When a player comes to the Texans he doesn't suddenly lose his experience. Sure we could use more depth and a few different starters but what team couldn't. Just don't make excuses for them when they play badly. I agree with what someone else said on here. We showed improvement through our first 2 years. Our third year has been like we are on a plateau and not improving. Even if we end up with a better record at the end of this year I still don't see the 3rd year improvement. We played much tougher last year with less. I do like Babin, Earl, and Robinson. I think Peek should have started from game 1 of this year with Wong on the inside. We may see Peek now that Foreman is hurt.

I love the Texans and I think our defense is heading in the right direction. The offense is stuggling this year and never looks like a well oiled machine for an entire game. I think the dull play design and calling of Palmer is part of it.
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I guess 5 years is a new NFL expansion team standard now. Just repeat 5 years over and over and then it becomes truth. We have a mixture of old and young players on this team. The Texans franchise is 3 years old but the players are a mixed bag of experience and ALL are NFL players. When a player comes to the Texans he doesn't suddenly lose his experience. Sure we could use more depth and a few different starters but what team couldn't. Just don't make excuses for them when they play badly. I agree with what someone else said on here. We showed improvement through our first 2 years. Our third year has been like we are on a plateau and not improving. Even if we end up with a better record at the end of this year I still don't see the 3rd year improvement. We played much tougher last year with less. I do like Babin, Earl, and Robinson. I think Peek should have started from game 1 of this year with Wong on the inside. We may see Peek now that Foreman is hurt.

I love the Texans and I think our defense is heading in the right direction. The offense is stuggling this year and never looks like a well oiled machine for an entire game. I think the dull play design and calling of Palmer is part of it.
....well said, very good post IMO
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I'm still confused how the first two years are "better" than this year when they NEVER won back-to-back games in those years!
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