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Default A Denver fan's thoughts on Chris Myers

Here is what a guy I talk to from Denver on another forum had to say about our new center:

Solid player from the U. Originally a guard he was pushed into the Center spot when Nalen and Hamilton went down. He was our back up guard and 3rd string C. He got his chance and he made the most of it. He is the athletic lineman that Denver and Houston look for. He is a little undersized, and has big problems with 3-4 teams. I mean big problems. He struggles against big NTs.

The only other knock on him is he has no mean streak. On some level OLmen have to be crazy, and nasty. Myers is not that guy. He can get out on LBs well, and is pretty solid technique wise. He can play all 3 interior positions, though I would not want to see him at RG, he simply is not big and strong enough. The good thing for Houston is whatever Myers lacks Gibbs will ride his ass until he gets it right. I was hoping and literally praying that Denver brought Gibbs back this season.

I really cannot even come close to explaining to you how great of a coach he is. TD got his 2,000 yards while he was here, we won Super Bowls when he was here. Denver was said to have the best OL in football all the years he was here. Whatever happens with the new players you sign, or draft, Alex Gibbs was the biggest offseason pick up for Houston. The running game be on point, which will only make life for Schaub and Johnson easier.

The only question is will Schaub buy into the scheme, and will Johnson and the other receivers block. Alex Gibbs is NOTORIOUS for bitching out receivers for quitting on blocks, or not blocking hard or long enough.

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Default Re: A Denver fan's thoughts on Chris Myers

I was particularly interested in this part, "He struggles against big NTs."

We dont play many 3-4 teams but we do have to see Haynesworth and Henderson 4 times a year. Love that he's coachable though.
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It would not be surprising to see Gibbs try to get an additional 10 pounds on Myers while trying to build up his strength, and see if he can at least maintain his present speed and mobility.......especially if he is expected to play center.

In addition, to address the mean streak problem, you can be sure that Gibbs will be having Myers and the rest of the OL indulge in only the "healthiest" of breakfasts.


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I was particularly interested in this part, "He struggles against big NTs."

We dont play many 3-4 teams but we do have to see Haynesworth and Henderson 4 times a year. Love that he's coachable though.
Of course the problem is that the center plays head-up on the 3-4 nose tackle instead of probably being more in the gap between the DTs in the 4-3 who would be over the guards.
I dunno how a team that wants a quick, athletic center as is needed in the ZB system can get around the fact that that kind of player will probably be smaller and consequently less stout than what you'd want to go one-on-one against a big nose, but its just a trade-off that Gibbs is apparently willing to make.
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Here is what a guy I talk to from Denver on another forum had to say about our new center:

Solid player from the U. Originally a guard he was pushed into the Center spot when Nalen and Hamilton went down. He was our back up guard and 3rd string C. He got his chance and he made the most of it. He is the athletic lineman that Denver and Houston look for. He is a little undersized, and has big problems with 3-4 teams. I mean big problems. He struggles against big NTs.

The only other knock on him is he has no mean streak. On some level OLmen have to be crazy, and nasty. Myers is not that guy. He can get out on LBs well, and is pretty solid technique wise. He can play all 3 interior positions, though I would not want to see him at RG, he simply is not big and strong enough. The good thing for Houston is whatever Myers lacks Gibbs will ride his ass until he gets it right. I was hoping and literally praying that Denver brought Gibbs back this season.

I really cannot even come close to explaining to you how great of a coach he is. TD got his 2,000 yards while he was here, we won Super Bowls when he was here. Denver was said to have the best OL in football all the years he was here. Whatever happens with the new players you sign, or draft, Alex Gibbs was the biggest offseason pick up for Houston. The running game be on point, which will only make life for Schaub and Johnson easier.

The only question is will Schaub buy into the scheme, and will Johnson and the other receivers block. Alex Gibbs is NOTORIOUS for bitching out receivers for quitting on blocks, or not blocking hard or long enough.

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I doubt it will become a problem.



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Default Re: A Denver fan's thoughts on Chris Myers

So how undersized is 6'4" and 295? I thought that was conisdered pretty ideal for the ZBS IIRC.

McKinney is 6'4" and 305, can't find the stats on long gone Flanny just for shiggles.

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The only question is will Schaub buy into the scheme, and will Johnson and the other receivers block.
Schaub has already bought into the scheme and AJ and Walter are already two of the better blocking WRs around.
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Schaub has already bought into the scheme and AJ and Walter are already two of the better blocking WRs around.
Yea, Schaub was brought in here specifically because of his familiarity with the system after running it under Al Groh at Virginia. That is not the issue with him, it is his ability to stay healthy.
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Yea, Schaub was brought in here specifically because of his familiarity with the system after running it under Al Groh at Virginia.
And under Gibbs in Atlanta.

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That is not the issue with him, it is his ability to stay healthy.
I doubt this will be much of a problem considering he was twice brought down by extremely cheap shots.

I know the NFL isn't made of guys who abide by the rules all the time but with Gibbs steadying the line up it seems unlikley that any serious problems will arise...

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And under Gibbs in Atlanta.
you know, this never occurred to me but that is one more reason that the Gibbs hire is HUGE!!! i knew about his time in atlanta and how well their running game did but for some reason i didn't apply it to schaub being there as well. this keeps getting better and better!! thanks infantrycak!
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Of course the problem is that the center plays head-up on the 3-4 nose tackle instead of probably being more in the gap between the DTs in the 4-3 who would be over the guards.
I dunno how a team that wants a quick, athletic center as is needed in the ZB system can get around the fact that that kind of player will probably be smaller and consequently less stout than what you'd want to go one-on-one against a big nose, but its just a trade-off that Gibbs is apparently willing to make.
If the centers athletic enough (trust...chris is) he can get to those big NT legs...get him on the ground.
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Yea, Schaub was brought in here specifically because of his familiarity with the system after running it under Al Groh at Virginia. That is not the issue with him, it is his ability to stay healthy.
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And under Gibbs in Atlanta.
Was Groh an assistant under Gibbs? What is the connection between the two?
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you know, this never occurred to me but that is one more reason that the Gibbs hire is HUGE!!! i knew about his time in atlanta and how well their running game did but for some reason i didn't apply it to schaub being there as well. this keeps getting better and better!! thanks infantrycak!
Yea, i feel the exact same way. Actually, if I remember correctly, Kubiak also said that Schaub was highly recommended by Gibbs and was probably one of the important factors in us trading for him IMO.
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I doubt this will be much of a problem considering he was twice brought down by extremely cheap shots.
I understand that, and the optimistic side of me hopes that it was more of an aberration than anything. But then the realistic side of me looks at his injury history at Virginia. There are obviously guys (ie Fred Taylor) that incur injury troubles early in their career and overcome them to have a productive NFL career. I hope just as much as you do that Schaub is one of these guys. But until he stays on the field for 15 or 16 games a few seasons in a row his injuries will be a concern.

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Was Groh an assistant under Gibbs? What is the connection between the two?
I don't know that they have a connection. IIRC, Groh was Kubiak's coach in college.
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It would not be surprising to see Gibbs try to get an additional 10 pounds on Myers while trying to build up his strength, and see if he can at least maintain his present speed and mobility.......especially if he is expected to play center.

In addition, to address the mean streak problem, you can be sure that Gibbs will be having Myers and the rest of the OL indulge in only the "healthiest" of breakfasts.



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So how undersized is 6'4" and 295? I thought that was conisdered pretty ideal for the ZBS IIRC.

McKinney is 6'4" and 305, can't find the stats on long gone Flanny just for shiggles.

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Here is what a guy I talk to from Denver on another forum had to say about our new center:

Solid player from the U. Originally a guard he was pushed into the Center spot when Nalen and Hamilton went down. He was our back up guard and 3rd string C. He got his chance and he made the most of it. He is the athletic lineman that Denver and Houston look for. He is a little undersized, and has big problems with 3-4 teams. I mean big problems. He struggles against big NTs.

The only other knock on him is he has no mean streak. On some level OLmen have to be crazy, and nasty. Myers is not that guy. He can get out on LBs well, and is pretty solid technique wise. He can play all 3 interior positions, though I would not want to see him at RG, he simply is not big and strong enough. The good thing for Houston is whatever Myers lacks Gibbs will ride his ass until he gets it right. I was hoping and literally praying that Denver brought Gibbs back this season.

I really cannot even come close to explaining to you how great of a coach he is. TD got his 2,000 yards while he was here, we won Super Bowls when he was here. Denver was said to have the best OL in football all the years he was here. Whatever happens with the new players you sign, or draft, Alex Gibbs was the biggest offseason pick up for Houston. The running game be on point, which will only make life for Schaub and Johnson easier.

The only question is will Schaub buy into the scheme, and will Johnson and the other receivers block. Alex Gibbs is NOTORIOUS for bitching out receivers for quitting on blocks, or not blocking hard or long enough.

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This guy is tiny. Completely undersized. He couldn't block Vern Troyer at nose tackle.
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And under Gibbs in Atlanta.


Maybe that is an issue--we'll see if it has any substance beyond fan worries.
If it wasn't an issue, Sage would already be a Viking and the Texans would have two 3rd round picks. And that's not fan worries.
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Here is what a guy I talk to from Denver on another forum had to say about our new center:

Solid player from the U. Originally a guard he was pushed into the Center spot when Nalen and Hamilton went down. He was our back up guard and 3rd string C. He got his chance and he made the most of it. He is the athletic lineman that Denver and Houston look for. He is a little undersized, and has big problems with 3-4 teams. I mean big problems. He struggles against big NTs.

The only other knock on him is he has no mean streak. On some level OLmen have to be crazy, and nasty. Myers is not that guy. He can get out on LBs well, and is pretty solid technique wise. He can play all 3 interior positions, though I would not want to see him at RG, he simply is not big and strong enough. The good thing for Houston is whatever Myers lacks Gibbs will ride his ass until he gets it right. I was hoping and literally praying that Denver brought Gibbs back this season.

I really cannot even come close to explaining to you how great of a coach he is. TD got his 2,000 yards while he was here, we won Super Bowls when he was here. Denver was said to have the best OL in football all the years he was here. Whatever happens with the new players you sign, or draft, Alex Gibbs was the biggest offseason pick up for Houston. The running game be on point, which will only make life for Schaub and Johnson easier.

The only question is will Schaub buy into the scheme, and will Johnson and the other receivers block. Alex Gibbs is NOTORIOUS for bitching out receivers for quitting on blocks, or not blocking hard or long enough.

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The only thing I would say about this post is that Chris does have a mean streak but it does need to be pulled from him. I have no fear that Gibbs will yank it to the surface and also fill in any gaps in his play. Houston just signed the hardest working player they could ask for.
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