What is Sage's value?--Sage Frustrated

There is no QB controversy, but if Matt sucks and Sage doesn't, Sage will start.

The same goes for everyone else.

[Fox]

Last season Sage was at least as valuable to us as Schaub was, and we don't have enough evidence on Schaub yet to tell if that trend will continue (durability?). I wouldn't even contemplate trading Rosenfels for less than a 2nd, with the caveat that I'd have to have a good alternative available before I'd trade him period.

[hollywood_texan]

Sage for a 3rd rounder, you definitely have to consider it.

I understand the run on QBs and injuries. But to make a playoff run, you generally need a QB to play the entire year. Your kind of sunk anyway if your starting QB goes down. I understand the insurance policy concept and the run on QBs, but it's too steep of a premium considering where the Texans are in personnel. Certain insurance policies are needed all the time or are just over insurance.

Which brings me to my next point. It is still a stretch for the Texans to make the playoffs next year at this time. They need impact starters at multiple positions. If they trade Rosenfels for a 3rd round pick and they have a couple players they have scouted that could start immediately and make an impact, you really have to consider this deal if it's out there.

Keeping 2 QBs and not have a 2nd round pick for two years is tough to swallow and make the playoffs in 2008 give the state of affairs of the Texans. Which is the reason why I was very skeptical of Schaub deal from the beginning. Good QB prospect, but the timing just wasn't right. Too much risk and bad timing.

What I am saying is, you have to be at the right place, at the right time, to make big things happen.

Texans need impact players, having one of those guys riding the pine because they both can't start at the same time, doesn't seem prudent if you can get value from one of them in a starting player that plays immediately with impact.

You have to consider the trade...

[Errant Hothy]

So after next year, when we don't make the playoffs again, and Sage leaves via Free Agency, I think that we will all miss what could have been another starter somewhere else on the team.

[Maddict5]

Originally Posted by Hoth-Boy

So after next year, when we don't make the playoffs again, and Sage leaves via Free Agency, I think that we will all miss what could have been another starter somewhere else on the team.

thats the spirit

wake me up in 12 months

[Errant Hothy]

Originally Posted by Maddict5

thats the spirit

wake me up in 12 months

Just being realilistic.

We are in the toughest division in the NFL, we went 1-5 in our division last year, and the teams are the top of the AFC South (Indy and Jax) are not likely to fall off that much.

Even if we do make the playoffs next year, Sage is still likely to leave, and we will still be missing what could have been a possible starter at another position.

[NitroGSXR]

As per rotoworld, trade talks have fallen through. The Vikings will not budge from their third round offer.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Hea...=NFL&hl=113279

I guess I'm happy.

[Maddict5]

Originally Posted by Hoth-Boy

Just being realilistic.

We are in the toughest division in the NFL, we went 1-7 in our division last year, and the teams are the top of the AFC South (Indy and Jax) are not likely to fall off that much.

Even if we do make the playoffs next year, Sage is still likely to leave, and we will still be missing what could have been a possible starter at another position.

or matt could get injured again and sage carries us into the playoffs.... or we trade sage and the 3rd rder is a bust

if its and buts....

[b0ng]

Originally Posted by Hoth-Boy

Just being realilistic.

We are in the toughest division in the NFL, we went 1-7 in our division last year, and the teams are the top of the AFC South (Indy and Jax) are not likely to fall off that much.

Even if we do make the playoffs next year, Sage is still likely to leave, and we will still be missing what could have been a possible starter at another position.

The AFC South isn't the toughest division in 2008 because no games have been played. Also, we went 1-5, and you never know who will fall off that much.

Sage can't leave until after the 2009 season, so you probably don't have to worry about it anyway broheezy.

[Errant Hothy]

Originally Posted by Maddict5

or matt could get injured again and sage carries us into the playoffs.... or we trade sage and the 3rd rder is a bust

if its and buts....

Matt got injured this year and did Sage carry us anwhere?

Guys, this is just an opinion debate. I would value the 10th pick in the 3rd round more then a back-up QB. Espically if I was a fan of a young team.

Now if we had made the playoffs last year and were not only looking to get back but challenge for a title, Sage would certainly be worth more then the draft pick. But that is not the case.

[hollywood_texan]

Originally Posted by Hoth-Boy

So after next year, when we don't make the playoffs again, and Sage leaves via Free Agency, I think that we will all miss what could have been another starter somewhere else on the team.

Execellent point, players are gonna move around, you can't keep them forever if some one wants them.

Besides, look at the teams that are compete for the playoffs every year. They don't have a quality back ups to rely upon. This whole concept seems to be a false sense of security because it really doesn't help to make the playoffs when you look at the odds.

It's nice to have 2 starter QBs, but just enjoy it while it lasts and be prepared to move on if you can get good value. Isn't that how we ended up with Schuab in the first place?

[TEXANS84]

Originally Posted by NitroHonda

As per rotoworld, trade talks have fallen through. The Vikings will not budge from their third round offer.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Hea...=NFL&hl=113279

I guess I'm happy.

Houston Titans???? AHHHH!!

[Joe Texan]

Absolutely NOT

Sage is a Texan and a Great Back up who should be starting. We should have left Schaub with the dirty birds but now we have two great QB's. Mrs. Schaub gets hit in the pinky and we need Sage more than any pick so NO WAY.

I sure am glad all you Boneheads who say do the deal are just that, Boneheads

[Hardcore Texan]

Originally Posted by hollywood_texan

Sage for a 3rd rounder, you definitely have to consider it.

I understand the run on QBs and injuries. But to make a playoff run, you generally need a QB to play the entire year. Your kind of sunk anyway if your starting QB goes down. I understand the insurance policy concept and the run on QBs, but it's too steep of a premium considering where the Texans are in personnel. Certain insurance policies are needed all the time or are just over insurance.

Which brings me to my next point. It is still a stretch for the Texans to make the playoffs next year at this time. They need impact starters at multiple positions. If they trade Rosenfels for a 3rd round pick and they have a couple players they have scouted that could start immediately and make an impact, you really have to consider this deal if it's out there.

Keeping 2 QBs and not have a 2nd round pick for two years is tough to swallow and make the playoffs in 2008 give the state of affairs of the Texans. Which is the reason why I was very skeptical of Schaub deal from the beginning. Good QB prospect, but the timing just wasn't right. Too much risk and bad timing.

What I am saying is, you have to be at the right place, at the right time, to make big things happen.

Texans need impact players, having one of those guys riding the pine because they both can't start at the same time, doesn't seem prudent if you can get value from one of them in a starting player that plays immediately with impact.

You have to consider the trade...

I hear you and we do have to consider it and we need more impact players, but Sage proved his worth last year, if we let him go we still have another hole to fill. Like I said robbing Peter to pay Sage.

I would rather keep Sage (for the third round offer) and address existing needs.

As far as the Texans not making the playoffs next year, I totally disagree. The Giants went 8-8 and then won the superbowl, why shouldnt we expect playoffs. We should always expect playoffs. And the Steelers went on a tear a couple of years back in the AFC and won the SB.

I agree about good timing to make big things happen, but I am not ready to say the Schaub deal was any of that. I think he flash some potential, he struggled some his first year starting and got banged up along the way. I think he will have a much better year and get hit a lot less often with an effective running game orchestrated by Gibb's ZBS.

[Errant Hothy]

Originally Posted by Joe Texan

Absolutely NOT

Sage is a Texan and a Great Back up who should be starting. We should have left Schaub with the dirty birds but now we have two great QB's. Mrs. Schaub gets hit in the pinky and we need Sage more than any pick so NO WAY.

I sure am glad all you Boneheads who say do the deal are just that, Boneheads

I'm sure that all you guys who say you're 45 sure act like it...oh...wait...nevermid.

[b0ng]

Originally Posted by hollywood_texan

It's nice to have 2 starter QBs, but just enjoy it while it lasts and be prepared to move on if you can get good value. Isn't that how we ended up with Schuab in the first place?

It is, but Sage still has 2, count 'em 2, seasons left on his contract buddies. So he could still stay here, start a few more times at the end of the season, get some more value (Cause he seriously shot himself in the foot that last game vs Jacksonville, he was pretty bad), and then we could get picks for him.

The point is, he's not leaving after next season as a UFA, because he's still under contract at that point.

Gary Kubiak and Rick Smith don't have the luxury to wait for next year. Of course they need to keep their expectations tempered, but at the same time each and every year their goal needs to--and should be-- to win as many games as possible.

I see your Sage leaving after next year scenario and raise you this one:

Lets suppose Schaub gets hurt, we have no capable back-up and as a result we go something stupid like 5-11 or even worse, the rest of the team is playing on a play-off level and we come up short of the post seson because of our back up QB.

Nobody's happy about that, Not me, not Bob McNair, nor any other fan of the Houston Texans. Not even a hypothetical third rd. starter would be able to make that nasty taste go away.

But enough of the rambling...My point is that even with tempered expectations you need to give your team it's best chance to win as many games as possible year in and year out.

I could very easily see a scenario where Schaub gets hurt and Sage is still able to have us in the play-off hunt vs. not having Sage, Schaub getting hurt and the losses start to pile up only further making it harder to shake the stigma of being a loser exspansion team.

I'm comfortable with the decison to make our team as good as it can be next year and not make decisons based on what may or may not happen two seasons from now. We may not be "superbowl contenders" in reality, but don't underestimate the effect WINNING has on a teams psyche.

That's all.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by b0ng

It is, but Sage still has 2, count 'em 2, seasons left on his contract buddies. So he could still stay here, start a few more times at the end of the season, get some more value (Cause he seriously shot himself in the foot that last game vs Jacksonville, he was pretty bad), and then we could get picks for him.

The point is, he's not leaving after next season as a UFA, because he's still under contract at that point.

Also, Sage's contract is up the same year that we have a decision on whether or not to extend Schaub for 3 years. It makes sense to hold on to him until that time... Also, if he leaves us via free agency we will likely get some decent compensation via compensatory draft picks.

[hollywood_texan]

Originally Posted by b0ng

It is, but Sage still has 2, count 'em 2, seasons left on his contract buddies. So he could still stay here, start a few more times at the end of the season, get some more value (Cause he seriously shot himself in the foot that last game vs Jacksonville, he was pretty bad), and then we could get picks for him.

The point is, he's not leaving after next season as a UFA, because he's still under contract at that point.

Yeah, and his trade value is higher because it's less risk for a team that acquires him because they have two years to evaluate his progress at a cheap price.

Besides, Schaub could go down again, Sage bombs and then there is no value.

Making the right decision at the right time is how you succeed.

I am not saying to do the Sage trade, but you have to seriously consider it to fill a need at another position with an immediate impact player.

Having both Sage and Schaub together doesn't make us the Texans a playoff team considering the current roster and draft picks available because they play in the AFC South.

[hollywood_texan]

Originally Posted by Hardcore Texan

As far as the Texans not making the playoffs next year, I totally disagree. The Giants went 8-8 and then won the superbowl, why shouldnt we expect playoffs. We should always expect playoffs. And the Steelers went on a tear a couple of years back in the AFC and won the SB.

I disagree with comparing the Texans roster/situation with the Giants and Steelers that won recent Super Bowls.

I hope I am wrong, but I just don't see it.