What is Sage's value?--Sage Frustrated

[Hardcore Texan]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

Rosenfel's only chance for starter was with the Fins who ran the Marino offense (hard act to follow to begin with) without all the pieces, and unlike Marino, was not allowed to call any plays..........a far removed situation from the Texans. I think he only ended up starting 2 games and being allowed to throw less than 50 times in all.

Even old discarded veterans thought to be ineffective any more can find their niche in the right venue.

I agree, he really fits in well here and Kube's system. I thougth was the Fins were he played, not really a fighting chance it sounds like.

[Maddict5]

sage getting a big thumbs down in norseland so far....

somebody needs to post the link there

http://www.houstontexans.com/tv/inde...m_file_id=1833

do it.. dooooooo it

[michaelm]

If the Texans could sign Kelly Holcomb or Todd Collins, then would you be OK with trading Sage for a third? These are two guys who have proven to be decent back ups... as a matter of fact, Holcomb is maybe THE consomate NFL back up... I'm pretty sure both are UFA, but haven't checked yet.

Is Holcomb+3rd Rounder > Sage?
or
Is Collins+3rd Rounder > Sage?

Thoughts?

[Errant Hothy]

Originally Posted by michaelm

If the Texans could sign Kelly Holcomb or Todd Collins, then would you be OK with trading Sage for a third? These are two guys who have proven to be decent back ups... as a matter of fact, Holcomb is maybe THE consomate NFL back up... I'm pretty sure both are UFA, but haven't checked yet.

Is Holcomb+3rd Rounder > Sage? YES
or
Is Collins+3rd Rounder > Sage? And, YES

Thoughts?

This team isn't good enough yet to be worried about having a top-flight back-up.

[steelbtexan]

I would trade Sage & a 4th for a 2nd & Chester Taylor.

RD1 DRC
RD2 Nicks
RD3 Godfrey
RD5 Moffett
RD6 Zuttah
RD7 Silva

FA McCray, Traylor,Hadnot, Landon Johnson

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

I would trade Sage & a 4th for a 2nd & Chester Taylor.

RD1 DRC
RD2 Nicks
RD3 Godfrey
RD5 Moffett
RD6 Zuttah
RD7 Silva

FA McCray, Traylor,Hadnot, Landon Johnson

I don't understand where we put Chester Taylor. If we keep three backs: AGreen, Chris Taylor, and ???...

If Green's healthy, I prefer him to Chester. Whether Green's healthy or not, Chris Taylor is going to demand carries. With Chester Taylor, how do the carries get divided up? Either we get someone on the cheap as insurance, we get a stud (Turner), or we address it in the draft. That's what I think anyway.

[nero THE zero]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

I don't understand where we put Chester Taylor. If we keep three backs: AGreen, Chris Taylor, and ???...

If Green's healthy, I prefer him to Chester. Whether Green's healthy or not, Chris Taylor is going to demand carries. With Chester Taylor, how do the carries get divided up? Either we get someone on the cheap as insurance, we get a stud (Turner), or we address it in the draft. That's what I think anyway.

I don't really see how that is a concern. If you have Ron Dayne and an UDFA ending the season at starting RB two season in a row you acquire as many starting quality backs as you can and sort them out in camp.

[CloakNNNdagger]

After last season, from all signs to date, Kubiak does not seem to be sure if, with this offer, the Texans may be contemplating trading away their backup or their starter quarterback. Like it or not, there IS a quarterback controvery in Houston.

[b0ng]

Originally Posted by Hardcore Texan

Just throwing out names in case we deal or back up who would we bring in to compete for a BACKUP spot. I don't want us to trade Sage, but if we do I hope it is for a 2nd. Even if we draft a late round rookie, we are going to need more camp bodies. And could we keep a rookie in a roster spot to back up Schaub. Clearly we need someone who can step in just in case Schaub gets banged up again.

Chris Simms? Anyone know if he has fully recovered from the spleen removal. He showed some real guts before getting injured and seemed to be doing pretty decent for a very young QB.

I'd say Todd Collins, or that other guy would be okay backups. Hell, even Billy Volek is an UFA this year. I don't know if I like the idea of trading Sage, but a coveted 2nd rounder (And beleive me, Kubiak has shown that he can make a decent 2nd round pick), oh god so torn :cry:

I don't think Chris Simms would really be worth the look. He's never fully recovered from having his spleen exploded.

[Mike Kerns]

Originally Posted by Malloy

Who knows, Rosenfels might be pushing for this opportunity?

Id imagine so. Im sure he would like to start. And to have a weapon like AP behind you? Id say he is certainly interested.

[kiwitexansfan]

Two thirds or a second gets it done in my mind.....

Our commitment is to build through the draft to do that we need the picks.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by nero THE zero

I don't really see how that is a concern. If you have Ron Dayne and an UDFA ending the season at starting RB two season in a row you acquire as many starting quality backs as you can and sort them out in camp.

Sure, but you can't get guys with big salaries if you're going to do that. I think Chester carries some pretty big salary numbers with him- though, we wouldn't be responsible for his signing bonus.

I just think that getting a draft pick makes more sense. We can start camp with AGreen, Chris Taylor, Darius Walker and a draft pick... perhaps getting a guy cheap like Derrick Ward makes some sense. However, reality is that we will only keep 3 RBs on the active roster. So, who gets cut?

[J-Russ]

You guys sure are overrating him. two-thirds? Chester Taylor and 3rd? For Sage?

Seriously guys. The Vikings are going over the edge with the 3rd more so a 2nd. Sage isn't worth more then a 4th IMO, the Vikings are just desperate.

We should take the offer before the chronic wears off their FO.

[Errant Hothy]

Well that didn't last long.
http://ww3.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=1368

Word out of Houston is the Vikings and Texans have ended talks regarding a trade that would have landed quarterback Sage Rosenfels in purple for a third-round pick. It sounds as if the Vikings have spent much of the day exploring the possibility of adding a quarterback through a trade instead of signing one in free agency.

The Vikings are now going to go after JP Lossman.

Missed oppurtunity in my mind.

I would lol @ a 3rd rounder. Minimum offer, IMO, would have to be a 2nd and a 5th.

I wouldn't even let him go for just a 2nd. Not now.

[J-Russ]

We got greedy....

I still think theres a chance, cept the Viking won't budge for more then a 3rd. We just need to lower our high standards.

But Vikes fans....








There's always David Carr.

[J-Russ]

Originally Posted by Polo

I would lol @ a 3rd rounder. Minimum offer, IMO, would have to be a 2nd and a 5th.

I wouldn't even let him go for just a 2nd. Not now.

for example.....

Originally Posted by J-Russ

for example.....

You call it greedy.

I call it smart.

To each his own.

[Maddict5]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

After last season, from all signs to date, Kubiak does not seem to be sure if, with this offer, the Texans may be contemplating trading away their backup or their starter quarterback. Like it or not, there IS a quarterback controvery in Houston.

riiiiiiiight.. except those little tell-tale signs of them saying 'matt is our starting qb' or kubiak saying at the end of last year 'sage can/wants (not sure which) be a starter somewhere in this league'= not a ringing endorsement