What is Sage's value?--Sage Frustrated

[maddogmrb]

[quote=Hoth-Boy;855605]Please stop acting like there is no difference between a career, journeyman back-up and a young back-up who has potential to be a starter.

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They are BOTH career backups and there's not THAT much difference in their age .... as far as QB's go.

[mexican_texan]

Schaub earned the job when he worked his ass off in the offseason. That's the thing you look for in a QB. Carr never lifted a finger until he had to in mini-camp.

[Brando]

Originally Posted by maddogmrb

I also don't see Rich Gannon, Matt Hasselbeck or Derek Anderson, or even Tavarius Jackson in Matt Schaub.

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Neither do I, Schaub would be the starter over Jackson, easily.
The whole debate if Schaub is a starter is yours and GP's opinion. Neither side is going to change any minds here. I think we need to agree to disagree and move on.

[maddogmrb]

Originally Posted by mexican_texan

Schaub earned the job when he worked his ass off in the offseason. That's the thing you look for in a QB. Carr never lifted a finger until he had to in mini-camp.

Schaub didn't EARN it, he was ANNOINTED the starter on the day of the trade by Kubes. But yes, you are right, Schaub does have a good work ethic.

[Marcus]

Originally Posted by Giant Tiger

Think about this. Minnesota has NINE picks this year. They are well under the cap. And they have a star-quality, two-headed running game. Yet all they offered was a #3 pick. Minnesota offering one of their TWO rd 3 picks seems more like them tossing us a bone than them making a legit, good-faith offer. They could have done much better. In my mind, they were trying to play us.

And some of you would have gone for it.

That, to me, is the saddest part of this thread.

[HoustonFrog]

Originally Posted by maddogmrb

Schaub didn't EARN it, he was ANNOINTED the starter on the day of the trade by Kubes. But yes, you are right, Schaub does have a good work ethic.

Because they run the team, know QBs and know Sage is a career backup. If you trust the staff and Kubes, a guy who worked with top QBs all his life..and he says Schaub is the guy...then Schaub is the guy right now.

[ChampionTexan]

Originally Posted by maddogmrb

I have to come to GP's defense here. I agree that we have 2 BACKUP QB's and everyone who insists that Schaub is the starter because ..... why? ..... some anaylst somewhere says he has potential? ........

Sounds more credible to me than some guy on a message board!

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by maddogmrb

I also don't see Rich Gannon, Matt Hasselbeck or Derek Anderson, or even Tavarius Jackson in Matt Schaub.

I'd say credibility left the building with this sentence.

Rich Gannon LOL. Schaub completed 66.4 % his first year as a starter (and not by playing Carr short plays only)--something Gannon didn't do until his 14th season. He did it at 7.8 ypa--something Gannon didn't do until his, ooops, never in his 16 seasons. Straight out of the box he had a QB rating of 87.2, something Gannon did not achieve until his 8th season and did not repeat until his 12th.

[Honoring Earl 34]

Our QBs are almost the same player . Tall guys with average arms , above average smarts , and not much in the running department .

The thing that seperates them is a contract and two 2nd rd. picks ... Schaub is also a couple of years younger .

I think in a perfect season ( no injuries ) last year Schaub could have led us to 10-6 . I think you no what you get in Sage ( better than average QB ) while the jury is still out on Schaub .

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

I'd say credibility left the building with this sentence.

Was'nt this guy a diehard Carr supporter ? If that's true then I'm not reading anymore .

[Specnatz]

Originally Posted by maddogmrb

I have to come to GP's defense here. I agree that we have 2 BACKUP QB's and everyone who insists that Schaub is the starter because ..... why? ..... some anaylst somewhere says he has potential? ........

I also don't see Rich Gannon, Matt Hasselbeck or Derek Anderson, or even Tavarius Jackson in Matt Schaub.

The point GP and I are making is that there should be open and fair competition for the QB spot because neither has stepped up and earned it. Schaub was annointed the starter and looked good at times and not so good at times. Sage came in and performed well in Schaub's absence but, also had some rough times.

NEITHER HAS EARNED THE RIGHT TO BE ORDAINED THE STARTER FOR THIS TEAM OR ANY OTHER TEAM IN THE LEAGUE AND THEREFORE THEY SHOULD HAVE TO COMPETE FOR THE POSITION.

That's all .... it's simple.
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Actually it is not because you say it or I say it or that some analyst says itt, hell it is not even because some stupid news guy says it. he is the starter because the freakin head coach of the team says it. what a novel concept in listening to the head coach of the freakin team, some might call it thinking outside the box but it seems to work for me.

Maybe you need to tell Kubiak that neither has earned the right to start because the last time I checked he is paid to make this decision and neither you or GP or David Carr can do a damn thing about it.

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by Specnatz

Actually it is not because you say it or I say it or that some analyst says itt, hell it is not even because some stupid news guy says it. he is the starter because the freakin head coach of the team says it. what a novel concept in listening to the head coach of the freakin team, some might call it thinking outside the box but it seems to work for me.

Maybe you need to tell Kubiak that neither has earned the right to start because the last time I checked he is paid to make this decision and neither you or GP or David Carr can do a damn thing about it.

QB is one of a few positions that we really don't have to worry about . If Schaub played like or made Brady or Manning money then we would have Jim Sorgi but for now we have Sage .

[brickman]

It's really quite simple. Keep them both. The teams that succeed are the teams that have 2 QBs that they can trust in game situations. Plain and simple the Pats & Giants made it to the Super Bowl because both of their QBs stayed healthy. If Eli or Brady were hurt they were done. Both of their backups suck! We are in a good position. They should leave it as is. Getting a 3rd round pick that may or may not pan out is not an option.

[ChampionTexan]

Originally Posted by brickman

It's really quite simple. Keep them both. The teams that succeed are the teams that have 2 QBs that they can trust in game situations. Plain and simple the Pats & Giants made it to the Super Bowl because both of their QBs stayed healthy. If Eli or Brady were hurt they were done. Both of their backups suck! We are in a good position. They should leave it as is. Getting a 3rd round pick that may or may not pan out is not an option.

The teams that succeed are the teams that have 2 QB's - except this years SB teams? I'm in 100% agreement with your first sentence. After that, you kind of appear to have driven off a cliff.

[brakos82]

Can we just this damn thread already?

[maddogmrb]

Man, I hope you folks don't vote the same way you give Kubes and Smith carte blanche on everything they do. These boards are for us to express our opinions and ideas and, if they are sometimes contrary to the coach and GM, that should be okay.

After last season, I'm more optomistic about what the coach and GM have done but, I refuse to give them a carte blanche stamp of approval just because "they say so".

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by maddogmrb

Man, I hope you folks don't vote the same way you give Kubes and Smith carte blanche on everything they do. These boards are for us to express our opinions and ideas and, if they are sometimes contrary to the coach and GM, that should be okay.

After last season, I'm more optomistic about what the coach and GM have done but, I refuse to give them a carte blanche stamp of approval just because "they say so".

Last year the team was desperate for a QB who would come in take the bull by the horns and at the same time give the fans some hope .

Sage and a rookie QB would'nt have changed our loser culture as much as Schaub and Sage did . From that standpoint alone Schaub has been a success .

[HoustonFrog]

Originally Posted by Honoring Earl 34

Was'nt this guy a diehard Carr supporter ? If that's true then I'm not reading anymore .

GP, Yes and this isn't his first Sage go around.

[HoustonFrog]

Originally Posted by maddogmrb

Man, I hope you folks don't vote the same way you give Kubes and Smith carte blanche on everything they do. These boards are for us to express our opinions and ideas and, if they are sometimes contrary to the coach and GM, that should be okay.

After last season, I'm more optomistic about what the coach and GM have done but, I refuse to give them a carte blanche stamp of approval just because "they say so".

Well we are fans with opinions. They are guys with years of experience evaluating talent and who sit at practices and the full off-season seeing things we don't see. Obviously from past regimes you don't give people carte blanche but so far there is nothing to say that their decisions have not only been solid but pretty good. Considering Kubes work with QBs, I'll let him tell me what he thinks compared to you and GP. Plus the numbers, age. etc bear out that Schaub has the larger upside.

[TexansSeminole]

Originally Posted by HoustonFrog

Considering Kubes work with QBs, I'll let him tell me what he thinks compared to you and GP. Plus the numbers, age. etc bear out that Schaub has the larger upside.

Exactly.