What is Sage's value?--Sage Frustrated

[Insideop]

Originally Posted by beerlover

Smith traded away the 2nd rd. pick last year & this year. look at what you said thats a big goose egg 0 only one 2nd rd. pick (DeMeco, which he was given credit for) in three years.

Smith can't be given credit for DeMeco. He wasn't the GM yet. I know nobody wants to hear this, but CC was still the GM.

[Insideop]

Originally Posted by bah007

Big Ben says that experience isnt the only thing that matters.

Is Big Ben available in this draft, and do we have as good a team as the Steelers had when they drafted him?

[bah007]

Originally Posted by Insideop

Is Big Ben available in this draft, and do we have as good a team as the Steelers had when they drafted him?

We're not nearly as talented as the Steelers were when they drafted Roethlisberger, but we are still a pretty decent team.

NFL experience is not the only thing that matters when you're talking about a backup QB.

Its improbable, but not impossible, that a guy like Chad Henne would be able to suitably replace Schaub in an injury situation, just like Sage has.

Just trying to show you that experience isnt everything, not saying that NFL rookie QBs can always just step in on day one and play.

[Insideop]

Originally Posted by bah007

We're not nearly as talented as the Steelers were when they drafted Roethlisberger, but we are still a pretty decent team.

NFL experience is not the only thing that matters when you're talking about a backup QB.

Its improbable, but not impossible, that a guy like Chad Henne would be able to suitably replace Schaub in an injury situation, just like Sage has.

Just trying to show you that experience isnt everything, not saying that NFL rookie QBs can always just step in on day one and play.

OK. I'll agree it's possible. Anything is possible. But, I sure wouldn't want to bet the farm on it. The odds of a rookie QB, even Henne, coming in and playing as well as Sage would have to be pretty bad.

[Ole Miss Texan]

Originally Posted by Insideop

OK. I'll agree it's possible. Anything is possible. But, I sure wouldn't want to bet the farm on it. The odds of a rookie QB, even Henne, coming in and playing as well as Sage would have to be pretty bad.

I don't really see the point. We 'think' we have our franchise QB in Matt Schaub. Say we do trade Sage for a 2nd rounder- that's probably what it'll take to select Chad Henne (2nd rd pick). If we have our franchise QB, why trade away a sure fire solid back up QB in Sage just to select a QB to be our back up with his pick who may or may not be as good?

[bah007]

Originally Posted by Ole Miss Texan

I don't really see the point. We 'think' we have our franchise QB in Matt Schaub. Say we do trade Sage for a 2nd rounder- that's probably what it'll take to select Chad Henne (2nd rd pick). If we have our franchise QB, why trade away a sure fire solid back up QB in Sage just to select a QB to be our back up with his pick who may or may not be as good?

The point wasnt to draft a QB with the pick.

The point was that if Rosenfels were traded, its not unreasonable to think that we could find another back-up that could play just as well, whether FA or in the draft. Experience isnt the only thing that matters, was my main point.

[rmartin65]

Originally Posted by threetoedpete

bet you a coke he makes beyond the sixth round. All he is right now is a lump of fast clay.

I have to disagree. He threw 34 TD's and only 1 pick. That is ridiculous. The year before he threw 40 some TD's, and only 2 picks (I think). No matter what level you play at, that is ridiculous. Add that to his 4.44 40 and the rest of his agility drills, plus the fact that everything I have heard suggest the kid wants to learn and get better, I say he is gone by the end of the 3rd.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Ole Miss Texan

I don't really see the point. We 'think' we have our franchise QB in Matt Schaub. Say we do trade Sage for a 2nd rounder- that's probably what it'll take to select Chad Henne (2nd rd pick). If we have our franchise QB, why trade away a sure fire solid back up QB in Sage just to select a QB to be our back up with his pick who may or may not be as good?

You use the 2nd you get for Sage to draft a solid LT like Collins are Sam Baker and use the 1st round on Mendenhall or Stewart. Both moves help the QB as does the ZBS under Gibbs. A Colt Brennan can be had in third. Sage is probably not going to lead the team deep in playoffs nor would Brennan. If Schaub is injured a veteran QB could be found if Brennan was no thought to be ready. You would be getting a starting LT for a back up QB. I'd go for that.

[Errant Hothy]

Another QB signs:

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the Miami Dolphins have reached a contract agreement with free agent quarterback Josh McCown.

Per Schefter, the contract is a two-year deal worth $6.25 million. Although that's a contract more in line with what a backup usually makes, McCown may very well be the Dolphins' starter in September.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Maybe the Vikings comeback to the table, as their options are diminishing.

[CloakNNNdagger]

Originally Posted by Hoth-Boy

Another QB signs:


http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Maybe the Vikings comeback to the table, as their options are diminishing.

People can say all they want that we should have taken a 3rd for Sage or a 2nd, if offered, for Sage............BUT others say who would ever consider a 2nd for a backup..............well, HELLO, we paid two 2nds...............OK, I know the retort, he had real upside and we know what we have with Sage...............Yeh, right..........................we know as much of what we have in Sage as we do in what we have in Schaub.............And as far as I'm concerned, EITHER could end up being strong producers in our system..........or not..........

[hadaad]

Lions | Team trades Rogers for two draft picks
Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:20:02 -0800

WTVD in Raleigh-Durham, N.C., reports the Detroit Lions traded DL Shaun Rogers to the Cincinnati Bengals for a third-round and a fifth-round draft pick Friday, Feb. 29.

So I'm pretty sure that a 3rd and a 5th isn't as good as a 2nd. Is Sage worth more than Shaun Rogers?

[bah007]

Originally Posted by hadaad

Lions | Team trades Rogers for two draft picks
Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:20:02 -0800

WTVD in Raleigh-Durham, N.C., reports the Detroit Lions traded DL Shaun Rogers to the Cincinnati Bengals for a third-round and a fifth-round draft pick Friday, Feb. 29.

So I'm pretty sure that a 3rd and a 5th isn't as good as a 2nd. Is Sage worth more than Shaun Rogers?

Depends on how bad the Vikings want him doesn't it?

[hadaad]

Good point but I think the Bengals wanted Shaun Rogers pretty bad.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

People can say all they want that we should have taken a 3rd for Sage or a 2nd, if offered, for Sage............BUT others say who would ever consider a 2nd for a backup..............well, HELLO, we paid two 2nds...............OK, I know the retort, he had real upside and we know what we have with Sage...............Yeh, right..........................we know as much of what we have in Sage as we do in what we have in Schaub.............And as far as I'm concerned, EITHER could end up being strong producers in our system..........or not..........

So.. are you for or against a trade or not?

[Ole Miss Texan]

Originally Posted by hadaad

Lions | Team trades Rogers for two draft picks
Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:20:02 -0800

WTVD in Raleigh-Durham, N.C., reports the Detroit Lions traded DL Shaun Rogers to the Cincinnati Bengals for a third-round and a fifth-round draft pick Friday, Feb. 29.

So I'm pretty sure that a 3rd and a 5th isn't as good as a 2nd. Is Sage worth more than Shaun Rogers?

The Vikings would probably be willing to give up more for Sage than they would for Rogers. Likewise, the Bengals would be a lot more willing to give up more for Rogers than they would for Sage.

It all depends on the teams' need(s). For example- if there was an equal rated WR and RB- we'd be willing to give up more to trade for a RB as opposed to a WR (even if talent level they are the same).

[Insideop]

Originally Posted by badboy

You use the 2nd you get for Sage to draft a solid LT like Collins are Sam Baker and use the 1st round on Mendenhall or Stewart. Both moves help the QB as does the ZBS under Gibbs. A Colt Brennan can be had in third. Sage is probably not going to lead the team deep in playoffs nor would Brennan. If Schaub is injured a veteran QB could be found if Brennan was no thought to be ready. You would be getting a starting LT for a back up QB. I'd go for that.

Sorry badboy, I just don't think I can agree with this logic. What if Schaub goes down in the 14th game and we are in the playoff hunt? Do you want Sage in there or Colt? I just don't get this logic about Sage not being able to lead us to, or deep, into the playoffs. And good luck trying to find a good backup QB late in the season if you find out Colt can't do it.

Look, I'm not totally against a trade and getting something for Sage while his value is high, but there is something to what Porky (think it was Porky) said about "a bird in the hand." JMHO!

[Insideop]

Originally Posted by Porky

I'm glad it fell through at that price. The old saying a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush comes to mind. It's not like our starter has proven to have the durability of a Payton Manning. We don't know yet if we have another Chris Chandelier on our hands, or if last year was a fluke.

Nope, in this league you need two capable QB's. Sage proved his value to the team last year. We also have Schaub who set the market value on starter potential QB's without a ton of starts under his belt. It stands to reason to me that if Schaub is worth 2 #2's, and you evualate his performance vs. Rosenfels last year, then at worst Rosenfels is worth 2 #3's, if not a 2nd and a 3rd. I didn't set the market on QB's, the Texans, Bills, and many other teams have set that market value over the years. One #3 would not be market value, and in the event that Schaub were to go down, we would be handing the reins of the team in the most important position to whom exactly?

I don't think you help your team by dealing from the most important position on the team when you have depth in that area. Weakening that position for a totally unknown quantity in a draft pick makes no sense to me. Just ask Falcons fans how that worked for them. Have we learned nothing from history?

Yes it was Porky. And BTW, this is a very good post Porky. I don't always agree with what you say, but this post was spot on! JMHO!

[Goldensilence]

Gus Ferrotte is available for around the same price Sage would cost us and Brian Griese should be available(there goes the Sage knows the offense!)

We're playing Chicken with Minnesota at this point and if we get a second come draft day that looks great. In the mean time if this doesn't go through we waste a good opportunity IMO. I don't think Kubiaks offense is that hard to pick up for a QB. I think some people here are grossly over valuing Sage,his QB capabilities and what Minn. is willing to reach on for him.

I'm not advocating let's get a rook to play behind Schaub there are some vets out there. An extra third looks real nice without a second rounder and the past two years we've been solid on tabbing later round talent. It'sa deep draft too.

[hadaad]

I will trust Smith and Kubiak to do what's best for the team. I would be interested in them trading Sage for the pick out of self-interest to make draft day a little more interesting.

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by badboy

You use the 2nd you get for Sage to draft a solid LT like Collins are Sam Baker and use the 1st round on Mendenhall or Stewart. Both moves help the QB as does the ZBS under Gibbs. A Colt Brennan can be had in third. Sage is probably not going to lead the team deep in playoffs nor would Brennan. If Schaub is injured a veteran QB could be found if Brennan was no thought to be ready. You would be getting a starting LT for a back up QB. I'd go for that.

What he said.