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Old 02-29-2008   #201
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In my book this is the first season where you can honestly say Boom or Bust. There is no slap on the butt, "good job for 8-8" again.
I agree with your assertion, but not your analysis. This season is about contending, and that trumps building for the future. Acquiring an extra 3rd round pick who may or may not help this season is about the future. In a season where 1 game can be the difference between a playoff berth or staying home, a veteran backup QB like Sage can make more of an impact.
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I agree with your assertion, but not your analysis. This season is about contending, and that trumps building for the future. Acquiring an extra 3rd round pick who may or may not help this season is about the future. In a season where 1 game can be the difference between a playoff berth or staying home, a veteran backup QB like Sage can make more of an impact.
We were 2+ games out of a playoff spot (Cleveland went 10-6 and failed to get in...I think), and we only won one game in out division...I think the playoffs are still a year or two out. We still have several holes to plug.

I'd be happy if we went 8-8 again, but with a better record against the AFC South. Could this team be one of those 8-8 teams one year, AFC contenders the next...sure; but I think another year of building for the future would be more prudent in establishing a team capable of winning franchise over the long run.
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I agree with your assertion, but not your analysis. This season is about contending, and that trumps building for the future. Acquiring an extra 3rd round pick who may or may not help this season is about the future. In a season where 1 game can be the difference between a playoff berth or staying home, a veteran backup QB like Sage can make more of an impact.
Understood but you could easily sign a Veteren who is capable, like Volek or Holcomb and get picks.
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Understood but you could easily sign a Veteren who is capable, like Volek or Holcomb and get picks.
There's a reason Volek & Holcomb are sitting by their phones, while Rick Smith is getting inquiries about Rosenfels. In any other year, I would agree with making the deal. Just not this season.
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I agree with your assertion, but not your analysis. This season is about contending, and that trumps building for the future. Acquiring an extra 3rd round pick who may or may not help this season is about the future. In a season where 1 game can be the difference between a playoff berth or staying home, a veteran backup QB like Sage can make more of an impact.
Your point is well taken but that assumes that other vets out there wouldn't be able to do the same job. Sage put up great numbers...he also combined them with bad numbers. He won some but he also showed many problem spots. There is no guarantee that he does the same this season. I think if you can get a 3rd rounder and find a competent backup who can do what Carr did 2 seasons ago...hand off and stay out of the way, it can keep us in games just the same. It isn't like we haven't won those games. It just shouldn't be the norm. If you get a guy who can do more, it is a plus. I think you can have the best of both worlds.
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Your point is well taken but that assumes that other vets out there wouldn't be able to do the same job. Sage put up great numbers...he also combined them with bad numbers. He won some but he also showed many problem spots. There is no guarantee that he does the same this season. I think if you can get a 3rd rounder and find a competent backup who can do what Carr did 2 seasons ago...hand off and stay out of the way, it can keep us in games just the same. It isn't like we haven't won those games. It just shouldn't be the norm. If you get a guy who can do more, it is a plus. I think you can have the best of both worlds.

There are a few other factors not being mentioned that make Sage valuable:

1. He knows the system very well and has won in it.
2. He has the total trust/faith of the team
3. He's signed at a bargain rate for two more seasons
4. He has a good relationship with Schaub.
5. His contract is up the same year that the staff must decide whether to extend Schaub.

Anyone we pick off the street will have question marks in each of those areas, expect possibly #3.
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Sage's value (in a trade) might be increasing.

With collins is saying in DC, Chris Redmond is returning to Atlanta, and Cleo Lemon just signed with the Jags; the options for Minnesota are declining.

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I say sit on Sage for now and see what happens between now and draft. For once we are in driver's seat as we don't have to trade.
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Sage's value (in a trade) might be increasing.

With collins is saying in DC, Chris Redmond is returning to Atlanta, and Cleo Lemon just signed with the Jags; the options for Minnesota are declining.

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There are a few other factors not being mentioned that make Sage valuable:

1. He knows the system very well and has won in it.
2. He has the total trust/faith of the team
3. He's signed at a bargain rate for two more seasons
4. He has a good relationship with Schaub.
5. His contract is up the same year that the staff must decide whether to extend Schaub.

Anyone we pick off the street will have question marks in each of those areas, expect possibly #3.
I'm sure their relationship is fine but I'm also sure that Sage doesn't like sitting on the bench after last season.
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I haven't negative reped anyone in a while...you were close.

My Team Roll the dice with the rookies in '09. Dixon @ 5th round...Josh Johnson in the seventh.
Josh Johnson wont be there in the 7th. He wont make it out of the 3rd.
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Teams know that we are willing to trade Sage now. And with the FA market being extremely weak for QBs, I think we are sitting pretty for someone to give up more than just a 3rd. I believe Sage's trade value will increase as we get closer to the draft. JMO
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Teams know that we are willing to trade Sage now. And with the FA market being extremely weak for QBs, I think we are sitting pretty for someone to give up more than just a 3rd. I believe Sage's trade value will increase as we get closer to the draft. JMO
If we got a 2nd and used first three picks on an LT, RB and CB (regardless of the order) Colt Brennan may be there in 4th, would he be a suitable replacement for Sage?
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Teams know that we are willing to trade Sage now. And with the FA market being extremely weak for QBs, I think we are sitting pretty for someone to give up more than just a 3rd. I believe Sage's trade value will increase as we get closer to the draft. JMO
Could be a draft day deal even. Looks like we will have a few storylines to follow on a potential move up into the second round. As it stands we only have one "first day" pick this season since rd3 is no longer a "first day" pick. Kinda takes the fun out of the first day of the draft when you only get one pick.
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ouldn't we just call up Vinny T.? He is better than than our previous face of the franchise QB.
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Could be a draft day deal even. Looks like we will have a few storylines to follow on a potential move up into the second round. As it stands we only have one "first day" pick this season since rd3 is no longer a "first day" pick. Kinda takes the fun out of the first day of the draft when you only get one pick.
its tough, really tough the way this organization past & present have traded away or mis-judged 2nd rd. value, with the notable exception of two picks, Pitts & DeMeco. I'm willing to bite the bullet one last time to resolve our QB situation post Carr. it would be a mistake to trade away the protection we currently enjoy for Schaub in the event of historical injury reports. at the same time fair value for Sage is no higher than a low 2nd, which would certainly return a rookie starter
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its tough, really tough the way this organization past & present have traded away or mis-judged 2nd rd. value, with the notable exception of two picks, Pitts & DeMeco.
Look at what you said, and know that Rick Smith has nothing to do with Casserly. He has done better with his two past 2nd round picks. I am sure he will do the right thing with a 2nd this year. However, I believe Sage should stay.
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Josh Johnson wont be there in the 7th. He wont make it out of the 3rd.
bet you a coke he makes beyond the sixth round. All he is right now is a lump of fast clay.
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Look at what you said, and know that Rick Smith has nothing to do with Casserly. He has done better with his two past 2nd round picks. I am sure he will do the right thing with a 2nd this year. However, I believe Sage should stay.
Smith traded away the 2nd rd. pick last year & this year. look at what you said thats a big goose egg 0 only one 2nd rd. pick (DeMeco, which he was given credit for) in three years.
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