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Old 03-20-2008   #61
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This reads like something out of the Texans PR department. "Now" the Texans will carry 3 QBs? "Now" Quinn Gray will agree to become a 3rd stringer, after being a backup last season? "At this point", I don't think Rosenfels will be traded, either. But if and when the Texans sign Gray, you can bet the deal for Sage is in the oven.
Megan Manful isn't even Megan Quarterteaspoonfull. I hope she reads this and starts providing something other than press release material. Either that or team up with another Ball Girl and have lots of photo opps because she is useless otherwise.
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Megan Manful isn't even Megan Quarterteaspoonfull. I hope she reads this and starts providing something other than press release material. Either that or team up with another Ball Girl and have lots of photo opps because she is useless otherwise.
The scary thing is that she is significantly better than she used to be. It is not a leap to think that the Texans have indication that they can get an acceptable draft pick for Sage. The issue for the squad is not having an acceptable back-up for Schuab before moving Sage. Very few teams have a quality 3rd QB who can actually be a 2nd QB on at least half the NFL. Even fewer when you consider the team went out of its way to sign the guy versus some UDFA who actually has a little bit of something.

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maybe he can at least give the texans insight on the jaguars. We can use all the help we can get in the division.
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Quinn Gray looked good in the few games I saw if play last year. He's a big, sturdy looking QB. If we can sign him and trade Sage for highest market value, then I'm for it. Right now that value seems to be a 3rd. We can wish and/or wait for a 2nd rounder, but I'm not sure we'll get it. We may have a better shot at getting another pick this year (a 6th to cover our hole) or another pick in '09. Teams that might be interested in Sage and who have multiple picks--MIN (extra 3rd and 6th), GB (extra 2nd), MIA (extra 2nd), CHI (extra 3rd) and CAR (extra 3rd).

If we sign Gray, getting a 3rd and 6th from Minny would probably be doable. That would give us 7 picks again...also maximize Sage's value. If someone like GB will give us their 2nd, then Rick Smith is the new Merlin.
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Is Gray a righty or a lefty?
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Is Gray a righty or a lefty?
He's a righty

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wow if we can trade sage for even a third round pick and have gray as our backup id do it in a heartbeat. gray played well in jacksonville and his receivers werent exactly andre johnson and andre davis.
what do you guys about bringing culpepper in as a backup if we trade sage?
i think cold pepper is a dolt. i remember watching him with miami getting bullied by our anemic (at the time) pass rush and he reminded me of david carr but without the awareness to falldown. just sort of staring at nothing. not looking anywhere. furthermore i think he's a bit of a thug. at least that's how he seems to come off to me. furthermore, he's not really young anymore.
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The Texans won't sign Gray unless Sage is dealt. That's the reality of the situation. I guess the Vikings looksee at Gus Frerotte pushed the Texans to reconsider this deal.

I would prefer Rosenfels to Gray as the Texans backup QB. He's a known quantity who has had success in this system. But, I can understand why Smith & Kubiak are contemplating the move. The Texans have done well in free agency with the limited resources they've been willing to use. This is not the year to break the bank in free agency. But, this team still needs more talent and depth. An additional 3rd rounder could be used on a situational pass rusher or a FS of future.

I'm sure Kubiak is thinking about Gray's performance in Week 17 against the Texans. He was the best QB on the field that day, throwing 4 TD passes. Gray has always been a strong-armed pocket passer, whose accuracy and decision making have been questioned. Gray answered those questions in that game.

I don't know if Sage will be traded or not. If so, I'll always admire him for how he's handled being the backup QB here. He never complained about his status even when he had preformed at a high level in the '06 preseason. Nor last season, when he stepped in for Schaub and helped the Texans to their 1st non-losing season. Sage would be missed, but he's deserving of an opportunity to start in the NFL. And he and his agent have probably told Smith and Kubiak as much, in private. Here's hoping that things work out well for all parties involved.
Article in the chronicle says The "Texans are looking to possibly carry three quarterbacks next season — something they haven't done the past two seasons under coach Gary Kubiak."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/5637424.html

Of course they are going to say that, they would lose leverage in trade talks if teams didnt believe we were serious about keeping 3 QB's. Makes you wonder if Kubes & or Smith are blowing some smoke. Does anyone beleive we would carry 3 QB's?

Its easy. Ask yourself, what would be better for the team?

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How bout we sign Gray and trade Sage and a fifth for minnesota's second and draft Ray Rice with that pick. This would only happen of course if Rice is available in the second round.
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If they wont budge from their third round offer and we really want to trade Sage, we should at least hold it for a small ransom. Like incase a player falls that is a steal is available at 17 we can tell them allright we'll give you Sage for youre third and a promis not to draft so & so. Get all you can mr Smith.
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I know that I may be the only one thinking that it if we pick Quinn up there is potentially a surprise deal that includes dangling a Quinn package somewhere down the line rather than a Sage package. I'm still thinking that Smithiak still wants a known secure commodity this season at their #2 position. Hold the tomatoes, please.
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Article in the chronicle says The "Texans are looking to possibly carry three quarterbacks next season — something they haven't done the past two seasons under coach Gary Kubiak."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/5637424.html

Of course they are going to say that, they would lose leverage in trade talks if teams didnt believe we were serious about keeping 3 QB's. Makes you wonder if Kubes & or Smith are blowing some smoke. Does anyone beleive we would carry 3 QB's?

Its easy. Ask yourself, what would be better for the team?

Sage
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Gray and a 3rd round pick? Before you answer think about who we have drafted in the third round over the years.
Quoting Megan as a source is about a relavent as quoting anyone here. Please reread what she wrote, she has not talked to anyone within the Texans organization for her conclusion about anything. Oh wait she had no conclusion, she double speaked about carring 3 QB and then mentioned trading the one guy she said was our backup. Hell we do that here all the time. She mentioned all scenarios yet said nothing.
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I know that I may be the only one thinking that it if we pick Quinn up there is potentially a surprise deal that includes dangling a Quinn package somewhere down the line rather than a Sage package. I'm still thinking that Smithiak still wants a known secure commodity this season at their #2 position. Hold the tomatoes, please.
If said team wanted Quinn why wouldn't the just sign him now?
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Quoting Megan as a source is about a relavent as quoting anyone here. Please reread what she wrote, she has not talked to anyone within the Texans organization for her conclusion about anything.
I don't know if I agree with that. I think Manfull has talked to the Texans, but can't get anyone to go on the record. They're telling her that they may carry 3 QBs and that no deals are imminent. Megan's just carrying the water for the Texans. McClain does this all the time.

The fact is that we don't get honest analysis from the local rag, as you would get in Boston or New York. Or even Dallas (as much as it hurts to type that). Don't get me wrong, the Chronic has improved in its coverage of the Texans over the years. In volume, anyway. They still employ 2nd string journalists, so we're going to get 2nd string information. Ask yourself why does PFT beat the Chronic to the Gray visit? Is it because the writers at the Chronic are lazy, or are they asked to sit on news by the Texans?

A lot of the debate here regarding a possible Sage trade is whether the Texans are getting value, and if it is worth the risk. I get that, but another important element in this is the possible pressure Rosenfels and his agent are placing on the Texans to do the deal. Sage has been a good soldier in his Texan career. That could change if the Texans block his chance at a starting NFL job. Ask yourself whether you would want to compete against Matt Schaub or Tarvaris Jackson? And at 30 years of age, Rosenfels has maybe one opportunity left to get a decent (in NFL terms) contract. Without a real chance at the Texans starting job,a team where he could compete, and a new contract, how could Sage be his usual positive self come training camp?
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Megan Manful isn't even Megan Quarterteasponfull. I hope she reads this and starts providing something other than press release material. Either that or team up with another Ball Girl and have lots of photo opps because she is useless otherwise.

Let me guess, Ex-Girlfriend?

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The more I think about it the more open I am to trading Rosy.

However, if I'm the Texans I'm not trading away the guy for a sack of magic beans unless I'm guaranteed that a beanstalk will grow.
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How bout we sign Gray and trade Sage and a fifth for minnesota's second and draft Ray Rice with that pick. This would only happen of course if Rice is available in the second round.
Matt Forte offers more height, weight and same speed, I prefer him, if available.
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I don't know if I agree with that. I think Manfull has talked to the Texans, but can't get anyone to go on the record. They're telling her that they may carry 3 QBs and that no deals are imminent. Megan's just carrying the water for the Texans. McClain does this all the time.

The fact is that we don't get honest analysis from the local rag, as you would get in Boston or New York. Or even Dallas (as much as it hurts to type that). Don't get me wrong, the Chronic has improved in its coverage of the Texans over the years. In volume, anyway. They still employ 2nd string journalists, so we're going to get 2nd string information. Ask yourself why does PFT beat the Chronic to the Gray visit? Is it because the writers at the Chronic are lazy, or are they asked to sit on news by the Texans?
That's where I was going with this too. McClain was on 610 last night and was towing the same line, opining that the Texans were trying to bring in Gray to compete for the number 2 job, dismissing any notion that he would be brought in to make a Sage trade feasible. He even said he "talked to his sources in Jacksonville" who told him there was no way Gray would go somewhere to be a number 3 (duh) and, therefore, it is highly unlikely Gray signs here.

Obviously the FO is going to put this out there, they don't want to lose value on Sage. But it is insulting to me that journalists who are supposed to report and analyze the news are sheepishly towing the party line. I mean, it's plainly obvious to anyone with half a brain what is going on here, so it's not like I feel cheated by the lack of insight from the Chron, but it's insulting to have McClain and Manfull feed us this bullshit.
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If said team wanted Quinn why wouldn't the just sign him now?
Some teams contemplate their options for so long (such as the Raiders) that their options "disappear." Furthermore, I am not only thinking in terms of such a deal coming down in the immediate future. If a team has their QB(s) go down in preseason, which certainly does happen, options become even more limited. Even if they try to pick over "final cuts" by other teams, pickin's are very limited and the wait can create loss of practice time to establish a semblance of QB/team chemistry. The acquisition of Quinn as a 3rd QB, if it even occurs, could ultimately lead to more than just the scenario of trading Sage. In the interim, the Texans could evaluate their new acquisition up close and personal, gaining a better idea of what they really may or not have.
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I don't know if I agree with that. I think Manfull has talked to the Texans, but can't get anyone to go on the record. They're telling her that they may carry 3 QBs and that no deals are imminent. Megan's just carrying the water for the Texans. McClain does this all the time.

The fact is that we don't get honest analysis from the local rag, as you would get in Boston or New York. Or even Dallas (as much as it hurts to type that). Don't get me wrong, the Chronic has improved in its coverage of the Texans over the years. In volume, anyway. They still employ 2nd string journalists, so we're going to get 2nd string information. Ask yourself why does PFT beat the Chronic to the Gray visit? Is it because the writers at the Chronic are lazy, or are they asked to sit on news by the Texans?

A lot of the debate here regarding a possible Sage trade is whether the Texans are getting value, and if it is worth the risk. I get that, but another important element in this is the possible pressure Rosenfels and his agent are placing on the Texans to do the deal. Sage has been a good soldier in his Texan career. That could change if the Texans block his chance at a starting NFL job. Ask yourself whether you would want to compete against Matt Schaub or Tarvaris Jackson? And at 30 years of age, Rosenfels has maybe one opportunity left to get a decent (in NFL terms) contract. Without a real chance at the Texans starting job,a team where he could compete, and a new contract, how could Sage be his usual positive self come training camp?
I also have to say I got her confussed with Anna-Megan (for some reason I do that from time to time). As far as her talking to the Texans, I am sure she and McClain do on a lot of what they right about, but on this issue I doubt she has because of the way she wrote the article. She covered every aspect from every angle.

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She does not even say she talked to someone, she should have said Are the Texnas looking to possibly carry three QBs because of all the injuries.

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If the Texans are going to have three QBs why would they trade Sage? Oh that is right because Gray would not be a number two, so then again explain to me how we are going to have 3 QBs unless another one was brought in.

She wrote this piece not once but twice. Once for her blog and once for the mainstream part of the chronicle but gave no indication she has spoken to anyone. Hell we are speculating like her, but she is the one with Kubiaks phone number and could at least get a crappy quote to go with the story.
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