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Old 03-25-2008   #281
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Now how could you not want Tony Banks? His wife made great cookies for the team.
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I like what Kubes said in the Chronicle interview, if in fact he actually meant it and wasn't blowing smoke up our behinds. The idea of having two workable QBs behind your starter is not such a bad idea these days.
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A few ideas:

1. In some of his wins, he was mostly handing off the ball. It is hard to evaluate quarterbacks who come from a team which is one of the best at running the ball.

2. He doesn't have that big college background to look at. He is athletic but doesn't have a traditional QB build.

3. There is some noise that he wasn't the best guy in the locker room. That he undermined Garrard. But then again, JAX situation last year at the QB spot was a freaking emotional mess. Lots of locker room unhappiness that didn't explode because the team was winning with Garrard. So I am guessing that is what is meant with hiim wanting a fresh start. And that his desire to compete for the starting job is not something that a lot of teams appreciate in the guy who is going to be a backup QB.

4. Given Kubiak's background, Houston is a destination for quarterbacks looking to improve.
How about this instead ? He came here on the cheap even with better apparent opportunites out there because he's been guaranteed the back-up
job ? Which of course would have to mean the Texans are going to deal Sage.
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I don't know what the next timeline entry will be. But, I see a connection between what the Vikings have done, and the Quinn signing. My feeling is that once Frerotte made his visit, the Texans caved in to the Vikings' offer of the 3rd round pick. Which in turn, had Rick Smith on the horn to Drew Rosenhaus (Quinn's agent). It wouldn't surpise me if the Vikings aren't trying to work an extension with Rosenfels, right now. Pure speculation on my part. Tell me why I'm wrong.
I don't think you're wrong in thinking the Texans could trade Rosenfels, but there could have been other factors that haven't been reported somewhere in that timeline, such as other team(s) than the Vikings expressing some interest that precipitated them hedging their bet by signing Gray.
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We were willing to TALK to Minnesota before we even had Gray in place. I don't think this is going to take Sage off the table.

BUT... for the price that we paid for Gray and our past experience with injuries, I believe Kubiak when he says that we're going to go with 3 QB's from now on and that Gray was brought in to battle with Boyd for that third spot.

However, if someone offers us the right deal, I think we'll deal Sage. And there's a good possibility that things may work out (with injuries and the draft) that some team could get really desperate for a QB.

We're really in a pretty sweet position. We don't have to deal Sage. We're planning on going ahead with what we've got but if someone wants to throw a sweet deal our way, then great. If not, then great.



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This isn't McKinnie's 1st brush with the law [LINK]
..........and for the type of problems he has demonstrated, it's not likely to be his last.



Besides, somehow, I don't think that the Texans would be interested in taking on the risk of a big contract (and it will ultimately be a big contract), with impending suspension, and justifiable fear of ban following a 3rd incident due to not being able to confine "violence" to the field.
Some players take a long while to get it, & some never get it. My thinking (& hope) is that facing the real possibility of losing his career & being traded might be a wakeup call to McKinnie. Maybe, a change of scenery & being around the kind of class organization the Texan's are, would be enough to help him turn the corner.

You are correct about his potential downside. But, if the Texan's front office does it's due diligence & determines that he's worth the risk, I believe I'd have to do the deal. Being able to trade a backup for a starter is a no-brainer. Or, at least, that's what I think.

I believe infantrycak has more than adequately addressed the cap ramifications.
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I believe infantrycak has more than adequately addressed the cap ramifications.
Not everything is always about the cap. Sometimes its about the 52 man roster. When Myers was signed that spelled the end for McKinney. We were not going to carry 3 centers, and still won't. The only way McKinney comes back is if White hits a rehab bump.

The signing of Brown spells the end of Green. We are not going to carry 3, 4,or 5 RB's on the active roster. That is one reason why we will not see a first day draft selection on a RB. Taylor will be on the active roster at the start of the season, Brown as well, and (let me crawfish here for 3 RB's) a draft pick.

The signing of Gray (getting a Res. Dogs theme here) means there is something is up with Sage. Maybe he is delt on draft day, maybe down the road. Maybe we are talking to the Eagles and trading Sage for Sheppard. Who knows.

Our reserves or excess at a particular spot is put aside for out D/O Lines, secondary, and WR's.

Look at our secondary, Demps, Brown, Harrison, and we are looking at Furgie, We got Reeves, Bennett, I can't think who our NB is. DRob will be back at some point, and a Draft pick. So we have got 8 spots tied up just in the secondary.

Thats why you won't see him go three deep in one position very often unless someone can contribute on special teams. And I don't see gray, Sage, or Schaub chasing down kicks.
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Some players take a long while to get it, & some never get it. My thinking (& hope) is that facing the real possibility of losing his career & being traded might be a wakeup call to McKinnie. Maybe, a change of scenery & being around the kind of class organization the Texan's are, would be enough to help him turn the corner.

You are correct about his potential downside. But, if the Texan's front office does it's due diligence & determines that he's worth the risk, I believe I'd have to do the deal. Being able to trade a backup for a starter is a no-brainer. Or, at least, that's what I think.

I believe infantrycak has more than adequately addressed the cap ramifications.

Unfortunately, I have not seen many with a physically violent anger management problem turn the corner, even in light of punishment which would scare the H@ll out of us mere mortals.
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Can someone inform me of what exactly McKinnie (sp)LT did? I have been unable to get details of what his anger management issues led to. Also, on keeping 3 centers or even 4. Some of them played guard. I do not think we have any idea of what White will actually do anymore than we do with Charles Spencer.
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Can someone inform me of what exactly McKinnie (sp)LT did? I have been unable to get details of what his anger management issues led to. Also, on keeping 3 centers or even 4. Some of them played guard. I do not think we have any idea of what White will actually do anymore than we do with Charles Spencer.
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Can someone inform me of what exactly McKinnie (sp)LT did? I have been unable to get details of what his anger management issues led to. Also, on keeping 3 centers or even 4. Some of them played guard. I do not think we have any idea of what White will actually do anymore than we do with Charles Spencer.
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According to a Miami police report obtained by The Herald, McKinnie spit on the face of a bouncer, 32-year-old Eric Otero, shoved a camera phone into his face and then picked up a heavy pole and slammed it over Otero's head. This occurred in front of a large crowd.

The trouble had started when Otero attempted to eject the 6-8, 335-pound McKinnie from the club. As he was being taken out of the establishment, McKinnie yelled obscenities and spit in Otero's face according to police. Otero said if McKinnie left, he would not press charges.

The police then saw McKinnie entering a nearby strip club. But the Herald reported that, at about 6:30 a.m., police were again called to Club Space. Police found McKinnie "in the middle of a large crowd, throwing punches and again yelling obscenities" at Otero, the police report said. The police told him to stop, but he refused and boarded a charter bus. The driver of the bus was ordered not to leave.
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iam thinking we want are second pick back and if the offer comes up we will trade sage ... i am sure we dont want 4 QB on are squad ....
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Thanks I had read about the boat incident but that seemed a matter of Public Relations than criminal if I understand it. Was not aware of the other two. Maybe we could hire Weary to follow him around to keep him out of trouble & give Weary a taser. Do any of you think this miscreant could be reformed and would McNair considered it a bit more than Pitts incident? McKinney size is good (fit for ZBS?) and contract looks really good.
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iam thinking we want are second pick back and if the offer comes up we will trade sage ... i am sure we dont want 4 QB on are squad ....
Uh, what four QBs?
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Uh, what four QBs?
I would take a wild guess and say Boyd is the 4th.
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I would take a wild guess and say Boyd is the 4th.
Oh. I thought Boyd was gone? Training camp fodder, maybe?
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Oh. I thought Boyd was gone? Training camp fodder, maybe?
more like raw player with loads of potential.
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I believe that Boyd would no longer be practice squad elligible this season........and there is no way there will be FOUR QBs on the regular roster.
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