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Old 03-14-2008   #281
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All I have to say is that I will be watching on draft day to see what positions are drafted. Gruden is stockpiling QBs and we make fun of him for it...but we're stockpiling RBs and it's OK to a lot of fans. If that's not being a blinded homer for our team, then nothing is.
You play multiple RBs in a game based on the situation, you don't rotate QBs in an out of a game. Being able to have multiple RBs in a game keeps their legs fresh, and their durability higher than beating the hell out of one RB. Just like a good line, if used right, it can wear down the defense come the fourth quarter.

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Actually, I think GP makes some valid points. Perhaps a little harsh sometimes but logical and valid, IMO.

One thing is I see people keep saying is that Chris Brown has "breakaway speed", "could bust a long one", "take it to the house type back", etc, etc. In reality, he's only gone 40+ yards twice in his career (5 years, 54 games). Twice. Hell, Darius Walker who has only been in 4 NFL games has one run of 40+ yards.... Yet, he might be the odd man out... :-/
Really, cause I don't remember anybody in this thread saying that. Go find post to back up your claims.
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Seriously?

You think it plays out in a way where those two guys are spelling each other? Goodness, look at Chris Brown's attendance record. Please. He's just all of a sudden going to change? No way, man. I'll take the other side of your theory and say that Darius Walker and Chris Taylor will be the ones switching in and out.

Two years in a row we have taken a gamble on a talented runner who won't be healthy enough to make a lasting contribution. And two years in a row, people are trying to rationalize and justify it.

At least with my support of Carr, there was some reasoning behind it: Could Kubiak reform David Carr in a new system...could he do what he did with other QBs?" In addition, I am not in love with Sage as you have tried to paint it: I want an open competition and a chance for the QB to win the job and to not be crowned AS HAPPENED WITH DAVID CARR. For all of the times you try to say that I lie and distort facts, you sure spend a lot of time doing the same thing to me.

Two years in a row we have posters who parrot each other and pat each other on the back in regards to us signing a worthless running back. This must be Chris Brown's last stop in the NFL for as cheap as he signed.

And, I guess we'll all be scrambling on the football websites (and this one, too) on Saturday nights and Sunday mornings...trying to find out whether Ahman or Brown is the one playing on Sunday. Is that how you want to spend your time? Trying to find out who's healthy enough to play each Sunday?

(A) Taylor had a knee issue. Is it OK? Will it aggrevate and bench him?

(B) Ahman lasts exactly three plays in each game before getting banged up.

(C) Chris Brown is a total enigma, splitting time with Henry and White.

(D) That leaves Darius Walker who was cut, re-signed, and didn't look too bad in the limited time he had with us at the end of the season. From the posts I saw, I didn't see too many people with high hopes for him. I was not anticipating anything special from him.

Our running back situation is far from being stable. Not even with a RBBC situation. Sorry to be the pessimist (again). If you guys would level out your pie-in-the-sky outlooks on the perpetually awful condition of our running back crew, then I'd shut up. But there's just not a level of honesty going on here, with yourselves and with the others on the board, in terms of how bad it is. It's not good. Period. Gibbs and LUCK will save us.

Can I get a slice of your pie-in-the-sky? Enough, until you can find us a HOF RB that will be a guaranteed starter for us 16+ games every season for the rest of his career, drop it.
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Well, at least give a young kid (Taylor) a chance to show he's healed. Schaub is being given that chance, so can Taylor.

Chris Brown has been given lots of seasons. Ahman has a condition that I think we all feel is a pretty chronic or not-so-hopeful situation.

I'd take Darius Walker at this stage, and hopefully a healed Taylor, over two guys (Ahman and Brown) who, IMO, are not going to give us a payoff.
Why not give Brown that same chance? Atleast none of his injuries have been as bad as Taylor's. You must think that the Jags are stupid for giving Taylor all those chances to have a healthy season. How did that work out for Jacksonville this season?

I agree with you about Ahman btw.
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Really, cause I don't remember anybody in this thread saying that. Go find post to back up your claims.
So, you want me to go back and reread 15 pages just so I can prove it? Eheh, sorry, <Bush, Sr.> ain't gonna do it </Bush, Sr.>.

But here's a recent posted by badboy (#261):

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GP, instead of following what I find to be crazy logic..if logic even applies I'll make it as simple as possible.

1) You used to be crazy for Carr. You don't like Schaub as a future QB and like Sage. You have no faith in Kubiak. Just don't like Chris Brown now even though you say Taylor should get a shot after being injured. Injured before a season. (BTW, does this now make him injury prone as you label Schaub)

2) If you take all of the things above it comes down to one thing....you have no faith in Kubiak, Smith or their decisions despite showing they can draft and fill holes in the last 2 years. At some point your hypocrisy in posts(as pointed out above) and your circular reasoning has to come to a head and you have to get on board and see what happens or just hope Kubiak fails to prove your point. None of us is going to agree with every decision but Henry was cheap, he has talent and he upgrades our RBs to a level where we don't have all mediocre backs. Your guy Taylor will get his shot and so will all of these guys but if they can stay semi-healthy and rotate it works. The will still draft a guy too and he doesn't have to be a Hall of Famer.

All in all, until you have faith in the system and what thwey are doing, then your arguments go nowhere. So far there isn't any reason why we shouldn't at least to start to buy in a little. cheap upgrades are just that..cheap upgrades and in the NFL they can be gone if it doesn't work with minimal damage.
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So, you want me to go back and reread 15 pages just so I can prove it? Eheh, sorry, <Bush, Sr.> ain't gonna do it </Bush, Sr.>.

But here's a recent posted by badboy (#261):
Since I posted let me clarify, I do not see Chris Brown or Green as breaking one for 40 yds. Never said that. I think a good back is one that is 4.5 or better avg/carry and a 20 yarder is a great rush. Either may be able to do that occasionally (20 yds).
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So, you want me to go back and reread 15 pages just so I can prove it? Eheh, sorry, <Bush, Sr.> ain't gonna do it </Bush, Sr.>.

But here's a recent posted by badboy (#261):
That's one, you're post make it sound like thereis a chorus of people saying that he is a burner.

Skimming back through the thread, I think most people are commenting on more on his running style, his past issues with holding onto the ball, and his ability as a receiver. And of course the injury issues.
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Chris Brown and Warrick Dunn were both backups on my fantasy team last year.

Neither one was great, but at the end of the season Brown was still on my roster. Dunn wasn't.

I like the signing. Good depth if nothing else. Definitely better than we had last year.
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I think it is going to be a good season for Chris Brown. Didn't he run the same ZBS in college? I think with the change of scenery,sharing the load with a RBBC thing, and in the right system, he will flourish.
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That's one, you're post make it sound like thereis a chorus of people saying that he is a burner.....
Well, there was more but I ain't gonna search 'em out. And then the thread kinda morphed into some Dickerson/Simpson comparisons....
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A healthy Chris Brown has always been very productive. For whatever reason he some how finds himself off the field. The price tag blew me away much like the Schaub deal, but in the opposite direction. In my opinion this is a great signing - low risk, potential high reward. I would take five Chris Brown's at that price, even given his allergy problem with being on the field.
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Seriously?

You think it plays out in a way where those two guys are spelling each other? Goodness, look at Chris Brown's attendance record. Please. He's just all of a sudden going to change? No way, man. I'll take the other side of your theory and say that Darius Walker and Chris Taylor will be the ones switching in and out.

Two years in a row we have taken a gamble on a talented runner who won't be healthy enough to make a lasting contribution. And two years in a row, people are trying to rationalize and justify it.

At least with my support of Carr, there was some reasoning behind it: Could Kubiak reform David Carr in a new system...could he do what he did with other QBs?" In addition, I am not in love with Sage as you have tried to paint it: I want an open competition and a chance for the QB to win the job and to not be crowned AS HAPPENED WITH DAVID CARR. For all of the times you try to say that I lie and distort facts, you sure spend a lot of time doing the same thing to me.

Two years in a row we have posters who parrot each other and pat each other on the back in regards to us signing a worthless running back. This must be Chris Brown's last stop in the NFL for as cheap as he signed.

And, I guess we'll all be scrambling on the football websites (and this one, too) on Saturday nights and Sunday mornings...trying to find out whether Ahman or Brown is the one playing on Sunday. Is that how you want to spend your time? Trying to find out who's healthy enough to play each Sunday?

(A) Taylor had a knee issue. Is it OK? Will it aggrevate and bench him?

(B) Ahman lasts exactly three plays in each game before getting banged up.

(C) Chris Brown is a total enigma, splitting time with Henry and White.

(D) That leaves Darius Walker who was cut, re-signed, and didn't look too bad in the limited time he had with us at the end of the season. From the posts I saw, I didn't see too many people with high hopes for him. I was not anticipating anything special from him.

Our running back situation is far from being stable. Not even with a RBBC situation. Sorry to be the pessimist (again). If you guys would level out your pie-in-the-sky outlooks on the perpetually awful condition of our running back crew, then I'd shut up. But there's just not a level of honesty going on here, with yourselves and with the others on the board, in terms of how bad it is. It's not good. Period. Gibbs and LUCK will save us.

Just like our WR situation last year and it turned into a strength.
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A healthy Chris Brown has always been very productive. For whatever reason he some how finds himself off the field. The price tag blew me away much like the Schaub deal, but in the opposite direction. In my opinion this is a great signing - low risk, potential high reward. I would take five Chris Brown's at that price, even given his allery problem with being on the field.

Exactly. The deal could come out to be like when we signed Demps.

All Brown has to do is show some production and the Texans will offer him another contract.

I'm excited about this signing.
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Shanahan's take on Brown:
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Shanahan has followed Brown since that game and is confident he's going to fit in well with the running game that Alex Gibbs is installing.

"He understands how to get yards," Shanahan said. "He's always been a 4.5 yards per carry guy. No matter what, he's always going forward. He knows how to press the hole. He's a violent cutter. He's big and he runs tall but he can get real slippery too. And every time I've seen him get the opportunity, he's been able to move the chains and do it consistently."

Injuries have plagued Brown in the past. He will be added to the mix at a position where the other top two backs — Green and Taylor — are coming off the Injured Reserve. Shanahan hopes that with Green and Brown capable of being starters, they can keep each other fresh — and healthy.

"What excites me about Chris is I see him as a starting type running back," Shanahan said. "He's that type of player. To have him be able to spell Ahman, and Ahman spell Chris, to keep two guys fresh like that, I think it will be needed.

"There are very few teams in the NFL who can give the ball to one back all year. I'll be surprised if there's any. Look at San Diego, it caught up to them in the championship game. You're always going to need another guy even if he's you No. 2, he's going to be your starter for a few games that year, that's for sure. When you're No. 2, and you know you're capable of being a starter, it makes you a lot more comfortable."
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We did get him on the cheap, that's for sure. As long as he's thought of as backup and debth for the RB position, and we are still going after our franchise back in the draft and NOT expecting our franchise back to be ANYONE currently with a contract, I guess I'm OK with it. Lots of ifs there, but that's how I feel about it.

I don't see where any one of the backs we have under contract right now should be considered our future. Not a single one of them. Not even Dayne, whom I'm going to miss quite frankly.
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A healthy Chris Brown has always been very productive. For whatever reason he some how finds himself off the field. The price tag blew me away much like the Schaub deal, but in the opposite direction. In my opinion this is a great signing - low risk, potential high reward. I would take five Chris Brown's at that price, even given his allergy problem with being on the field.

Exactly.

If he performs, we got a hell of a deal.

If he gets hurt, we haven't lost that much.
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I don't understand the negativity about the signing. It's not like we threw tons of money at the guy, and it's not like he doesn't have skills.

I think sometimes great rewards call for taking chances sometimes.

Nice to see the Texans F.O understands this.
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