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Old 03-10-2008   #41
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I just watched some Schaub highlights (you tube) and you are spot on. When he drops straight back and throws, he tends to watch the flight of the ball down field which is fine but he is somewhat oblivious to the traffic around him.
I watched a bunch of the tribute stuff for Favre's career on NFLN this past weekend, and that's one of the things that stuck out. His coaches and fellow players talked about his tendency to run backwards after a pass, away from pressure and big linemen colliding with each other. Many of his former backup QBs speculated that this was a big factor in helping to prevent injuries.

Pretty smart, and something I've never really thought about.
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Quarterback???

We don't need no stinkin' Quarterback!

Just snap the ball directly to Peterson.

We'd use the extra position to add another lineman to protect him. Maybe a second LT.

It's bound to be just as easy to teach him to throw and dodge the onslaught of defenders as it is to find a QB to do it.

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If Matt Schaub becomes Chris Chandelier do you want to leave the most important position on the team to a journeyman, or someone who has now proven he can take the reins and perform decently?

Chester Taylor = Dominick Davis when healthy.

Nope, I'm not going to bet my season on the ability of Schaub to stay healthy. We can get a Chester Taylor in the 4th or 5th round in a deep class. He is decent, but not special.

Now, Taylor plus one of their 3rd's MIGHT get my attention. That would allow us to solve the RB problem at least in the short term, and the extra 3rd could be used in a variety of ways - a LT, C, CB, S, LB, or well...even a new backup QB.
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Quarterback???

We don't need no stinkin' Quarterback!

Just snap the ball directly to Peterson.

We'd use the extra position to add another lineman to protect him. Maybe a second LT.

It's bound to be just as easy to teach him to throw and dodge the onslaught of defenders as it is to find a QB to do it.

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Seems to work for the Titans
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Wasn't one of the big selling points for Kubiak, Smith, and now Gibbs, that they can find gems at RB in the late rounds and make them pro bowlers because of the ZBS? We now have THE guru of the ZBS on our staff. It makes NO sense to me to go trading a very good backup QB for a former 5th round RB with some mileage on him. I am also concerned with Schaubs shoulder. The Texans have a history of things not going as planned with players coming off of surgery. It would take what we gave to get Schaub for me to trade Sgae this year. With or without swapping 1st round draft position.
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If Matt Schaub becomes Chris Chandelier do you want to leave the most important position on the team to a journeyman, or someone who has now proven he can take the reins and perform decently?

Chester Taylor = Dominick Davis when healthy.

Nope, I'm not going to bet my season on the ability of Schaub to stay healthy. We can get a Chester Taylor in the 4th or 5th round in a deep class. He is decent, but not special.

Now, Taylor plus one of their 3rd's MIGHT get my attention. That would allow us to solve the RB problem at least in the short term, and the extra 3rd could be used in a variety of ways - a LT, C, CB, S, LB, or well...even a new backup QB.

Regardless of whether we trade Sage Rosenfels, or not.
Regardless of whether Matt Schaub is fragile, or not.
Regardless of whether Chester Taylor is all he's made out to be, or not.

We are in deep doo-doo if Sage Rosenfels is the long term solution at QB in the event that the Matt Schaub Project doesn't go as planned. If we traded Sage tomorrow for "whatever" and then Matt went down (for good) we would be looking for a new QB in the very next draft. Whoever is our backup would be a stop-gap measure and nothing more.

I am certain that Gary Kubiak likes Sage a lot. I don't doubt for a moment that he respects him and hopes that Sage gets what he wants (which is obviously to start for an NFL team).

Gary is not going to start Sage Rosenfels on a regular basis.

It's not going to happen no matter how bad anyone wants to see it. It would make fools of both Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak who went out and traded for Matt Schaub when they already had Sage at a bargain price. That they went out and traded for Schaub in the first place says volumes about the odds of Rosenfels ever starting here. If Sage's value is high then he will be traded if it can make the Texans a better team. I'd bet the farm on it.
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Regardless of whether we trade Sage Rosenfels, or not.
Regardless of whether Matt Schaub is fragile, or not.
Regardless of whether Chester Taylor is all he's made out to be, or not.

We are in deep doo-doo if Sage Rosenfels is the long term solution at QB in the event that the Matt Schaub Project doesn't go as planned. If we traded Sage tomorrow for "whatever" and then Matt went down (for good) we would be looking for a new QB in the very next draft. Whoever is our backup would be a stop-gap measure and nothing more.

I am certain that Gary Kubiak likes Sage a lot. I don't doubt for a moment that he respects him and hopes that Sage gets what he wants (which is obviously to start for an NFL team).

Gary is not going to start Sage Rosenfels on a regular basis.

It's not going to happen no matter how bad anyone wants to see it. It would make fools of both Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak who went out and traded for Matt Schaub when they already had Sage at a bargain price. That they went out and traded for Schaub in the first place says volumes about the odds of Rosenfels ever starting here. If Sage's value is high then he will be traded if it can make the Texans a better team. I'd bet the farm on it.
I would hope that this would not factor in for their decision one way or the other. Otherwise, we'd be repeating what other entities previously allowed for 5 long years.
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I don't think there is a definite answer to this riddle....

Depends on whats being offered...

If trading Sage clearly gives us a chance at being a better team for it, get er done...

If trading Sage just equals making a move because you think he's an "extra" commodity...don't do it...

We don't need to be the ones taking chances...Let the Vikings be the ones taking a chance on Sage...
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Regardless of whether we trade Sage Rosenfels, or not.
Regardless of whether Matt Schaub is fragile, or not.
Regardless of whether Chester Taylor is all he's made out to be, or not.

We are in deep doo-doo if Sage Rosenfels is the long term solution at QB in the event that the Matt Schaub Project doesn't go as planned. If we traded Sage tomorrow for "whatever" and then Matt went down (for good) we would be looking for a new QB in the very next draft. Whoever is our backup would be a stop-gap measure and nothing more.

I am certain that Gary Kubiak likes Sage a lot. I don't doubt for a moment that he respects him and hopes that Sage gets what he wants (which is obviously to start for an NFL team).

Gary is not going to start Sage Rosenfels on a regular basis.

It's not going to happen no matter how bad anyone wants to see it. It would make fools of both Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak who went out and traded for Matt Schaub when they already had Sage at a bargain price. That they went out and traded for Schaub in the first place says volumes about the odds of Rosenfels ever starting here. If Sage's value is high then he will be traded if it can make the Texans a better team. I'd bet the farm on it.
I really think that needs to looked at again by the Sage for president fans Herv.

At this point I think the Vikings and Texans are playing Chicken as the draft approaches. What has really helped us has been the other backups available have pretty much all but signed.

Scouring their roster there's a a few guys I wouldn't mind them packing a third with like say a Matt Birk(dreaming I know but they could be wanting to get Dan Mozes some PT?) or Darren Sharper.
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Regardless of whether we trade Sage Rosenfels, or not.
Regardless of whether Matt Schaub is fragile, or not.
Regardless of whether Chester Taylor is all he's made out to be, or not.

We are in deep doo-doo if Sage Rosenfels is the long term solution at QB in the event that the Matt Schaub Project doesn't go as planned. If we traded Sage tomorrow for "whatever" and then Matt went down (for good) we would be looking for a new QB in the very next draft. Whoever is our backup would be a stop-gap measure and nothing more.

I am certain that Gary Kubiak likes Sage a lot. I don't doubt for a moment that he respects him and hopes that Sage gets what he wants (which is obviously to start for an NFL team).

Gary is not going to start Sage Rosenfels on a regular basis.

It's not going to happen no matter how bad anyone wants to see it. It would make fools of both Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak who went out and traded for Matt Schaub when they already had Sage at a bargain price. That they went out and traded for Schaub in the first place says volumes about the odds of Rosenfels ever starting here. If Sage's value is high then he will be traded if it can make the Texans a better team. I'd bet the farm on it.
I've got agree with C&D on this one, Herv. Kubes came in and laid it out that the best players would be on the field regardless of contract, draft position, etc. Also, I think Kubes looked pretty foolish to me with the whole player I won't talk about any more fiasco. If he was gonna look a fool, THAT was when he did it. Give him credit for having the stones to rectify the situation ASAP. Maybe he was "forced" into take "TPIWM", I don't know. I don't know that Sage OR Schaub is the final answer to our QB position. Both showed a disturbing tendency to force a pass in the red zone. Schaub got VERY lucky in the 1st three weeks. I know it was his 1st year as a starter and all. I am against trading Sage because if Schaub isn't full speed due to his surgery or whatever, we have a QB waiting in the wings that will at least keep us in every game and give us a chance to win many of them. We have high expectations for the '08 season and I don't want them resting on a QB coming off of surgery and a concussion with a new QB as his back up.
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Would you give Sage for Chester Taylor strait up?
I would do it, then sign deangelo hall...then we can just take the BPA in the draft or trade out of the first round . Maybe we can find a team to trade our first rounder this year for a second or third and their first next year and have two first rounders next season. Sage and our first rounder this year for chester taylor and the vikes first rounder next year. I wouldn't be surprised to see us trade out of the first round this year to keep from having to pay first round money. Next year we should be able to afford two first rounders. We don't have to draft the big names all the time....I like those players that make a name when they start getting paid to do it. I like sage ...i like him so much i would like to see him be able to go to another team where he can compete for a starting spot...I bet he would like that too. I really don't think Kubiak is thinking "I have to have a stud RB". If we go Chester Taylor, Cris Taylor, Ahman Green and Walker..sounds like a stable of backs to wear a defense down just keeping them fresh. RB by committee.

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Regardless of whether we trade Sage Rosenfels, or not.
Regardless of whether Matt Schaub is fragile, or not.
Regardless of whether Chester Taylor is all he's made out to be, or not.

We are in deep doo-doo if Sage Rosenfels is the long term solution at QB in the event that the Matt Schaub Project doesn't go as planned. If we traded Sage tomorrow for "whatever" and then Matt went down (for good) we would be looking for a new QB in the very next draft. Whoever is our backup would be a stop-gap measure and nothing more.

I am certain that Gary Kubiak likes Sage a lot. I don't doubt for a moment that he respects him and hopes that Sage gets what he wants (which is obviously to start for an NFL team).

Gary is not going to start Sage Rosenfels on a regular basis.

It's not going to happen no matter how bad anyone wants to see it. It would make fools of both Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak who went out and traded for Matt Schaub when they already had Sage at a bargain price. That they went out and traded for Schaub in the first place says volumes about the odds of Rosenfels ever starting here. If Sage's value is high then he will be traded if it can make the Texans a better team. I'd bet the farm on it.

Don't get me wrong Herv. I am not a member of the Sage for President fan club. But I do think he is one of the better backups in the league. You need a guy like that who can come off the bench and spot start and keep you competitive in those games. I'm not saying Sage should start. If both are healthy, I'm a Schaub guy.

If Shcaub goes down with a career injury, we are looking for a QB either way. I realize that. But, if you trade Sage away, you are either looking at starting a rookie QB or a true journeyman veteran. Niether scenerio is conducive to winning. Do we want to yet again go through the proverbial rebuuilding program? Sage may not be an elite QB as a starter, but you can win with him if you have some pieces around him which we do. He is better than Trent Dilfer, who won a SB with a dominant defense.

I think the following article written in early Oct last year kind of sums it up nicely. You need two decent QB's to win unless you get lucky and get a Manning or Brady, ultra durable guys who never go down.


Already, 13 teams -- Buffalo, Carolina, Kansas City, Minnesota, Arizona, Saint Louis, Oakland, San Francisco, Miami, Baltimore, Detroit, the Giants and the Jets -- have had to dip into the depth chart for help. Add the Bears and Browns, who felt compelled to make a change at QB, and you're looking at close to half the league -- after just five weeks -- under stress at the position.

As I look at the position, there are 53 quarterbacks who have played in games this season. In other words, 21 backups have seen action in games in the first five weeks.

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If Shcaub goes down with a career injury, we are looking for a QB either way. I realize that. But, if you trade Sage away, you are either looking at starting a rookie QB or a true journeyman veteran. Niether scenerio is conducive to winning. Do we want to yet again go through the proverbial rebuuilding program? Sage may not be an elite QB as a starter, but you can win with him if you have some pieces around him which we do. He is better than Trent Dilfer, who won a SB with a dominant defense.

Exactly. Sage is an insurance policy we dare not drop. It's like living in a known flood plain, why on earth would you take a chance and not have flood insurance? Until Schaub proves himself, which he hasn't yet, we still need Sage.
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Most posters appear to believe that Sage is a good insurance policy in the event that Schaub gets T-boned in a fender bender; but not the "car" to drive the remaining games of the season (unless the collision is late in season). I do realize there are some that think Sage is better than Schaub, but that I doubt as Texans went after Schaub like me after fried chicken and gave up two day one picks. That does not boost my confidence in Sage being more than an insurance policy.

Many are concerned about Schaub's ability to stay on field; which is justified but not any derogatory comments such as "fragile". I know Kube's philosophy seems to be no more than two QBs on roster with maybe one project on P.S.
At what point does Smith draft a QB to groom in case Schaub is not able to stay on field? I think things remain the same as Sage has two more years under this contract and Schaub will be given that time to prove he can stay in the game. Also, I think a sweeter deal will be offered to Houston for Sage, maybe on draft day. It will be very interesting and entertaining on this board to see what happens then.

BTW are not most veteran FA QBs now off the market? Trent Green recently signed a 3 year deal. Any June 1st QB cuts anticipated? There are some very interesting QBs that should be available in day two of draft.
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So....how about that Chester Taylor guy?

Or is this going to be a Sage/Schaub thread (again) ?
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