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Old 03-10-2008   #21
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7 TDs is all I need to hear. I saw alot of those being scored from 20+ too.
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I am not in favor of trading Sage but after looking a Taylors stats I can definately think of worse returns on our investment IF we traded Sage for Taylor.

He is 28. He has started 31 games in his career out of a possible 96.
However he has played in 91 games out of 96. That shows he mostly stays healthy but also that he has not been the only ball carrier for his teams and thus hasn't been ran into the ground. The only year he carried the majority of the load for his team was 2006. That year he had 1216 yards rushing and 288 yards receiving. He has a career avg. of 4.4 yards a carry. Over the last three years he has averaged 849 yards rushing and 287 yards receiving.

All in all I would rather keep Sage but IF the Vikings keep uping the ante I can see where we could end up better for it in the long run. I am not willing to pin all my hopes for next seanon on ANY of the Texans current RBs (including FA Dayne). I had high hopes for Green that just like for DD/W, turned to dust. Dayne has proven time and time again that when we need one yard, he can't be counted on to get it. The kids that were back ups last season haven't proven anything on the field either. We can hope they will turn into stars all we want, but that has gotten us nowhere before. Sure Green may come back strong and Dayne may be re-signed as his back up and the kids may come back healthy and get a shot but as of right now, deep in your heart, do you really believe that any team in the NFL is worried about stopping our RBs.

Nope. Just pin your ears back and hit the QB.

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I am not in favor of trading Sage but after looking a Taylors stats I can definately think of worse returns on our investment IF we traded Sage for Taylor.

He is 28. He has started 31 games in his career out of a possible 96.
However he has played in 91 games out of 96. That shows he mostly stays healthy but also that he has not been the only ball carrier for his teams and thus hasn't been ran into the ground. The only year he carried the majority of the load for his team was 2006. That year he had 1216 yards rushing and 288 yards receiving. He has a career avg. of 4.4 yards a carry. Over the last three years he has averaged 849 yards rushing and 287 yards receiving.

All in all I would rather keep Sage but IF the Vikings keep uping the ante I can see where we could end up better for it in the long run. I am not willing to pin all my hopes for next seanon on ANY of the Texans current RBs (including FA Dayne). I had high hopes for Green that just like for DD/W, turned to dust. Dayne has proven time and time again that when we need one yard, he can't be counted on to get it. The kids that were back ups last season haven't proven anything on the field either. We can hope they will turn into stars all we want, but that has gotten us nowhere before. Sure Green may come back strong and Dayne may be re-signed as his back up and the kids may come back healthy and get a shot but as of right now, deep in your heart, do you really believe that any team in the NFL is worried about stopping our RBs.

Nope. Just pin your ears back and hit the QB.

we had to go through 5 years of lousy quarterbacking...do you really want this team to have a mediocre backup behind the seemingly fragile Schaub for a back that you could probably draft in the third or 4th round? Heck, Taylor was a 5th rounder. When it comes to backs I say grow yer own.
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we had to go through 5 years of lousy quarterbacking...do you really want this team to have a mediocre backup behind the seemingly fragile Schaub for a back that you could probably draft in the third or 4th round? Heck, Taylor was a 5th rounder. When it comes to backs I say grow yer own.
calling Schaub "seemingly fragile" is pretty weak IMO.

If he had taken an average hit on either of the two plays that knocked him out, I would tend to agree with you, but c'mon Vinny, the hit in SD would've knocked any player in the league out, and having Fat Albert drive his weight into any qb's shoulder would KO most out as well.

You could be right, and only another season or two will tell, but I think we have a pretty tough qb who can take as good a shot as any other qb in the NFL can.
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Would you give Sage for Chester Taylor strait up?
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we had to go through 5 years of lousy quarterbacking...do you really want this team to have a mediocre backup behind the seemingly fragile Schaub for a back that you could probably draft in the third or 4th round? Heck, Taylor was a 5th rounder. When it comes to backs I say grow yer own.
You must have missed this little statement in my post that you quoted.

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And you are right we have done so well drafting RBs why should I not have faith in us drafting one in the 4th round.

I have stated in more than one post that I wouldn't mind if we drafted a RB in the first or traded down in the first and picked up a 2nd and used that on a RB. It has also been noted in numerous threads that the Texans have multiple holes on the team. I realize that this trade would help take care of one and create another but we could be trading a back up QB for a starting RB. To turn around your statement about our QB situation and put it as a RB question. Do you really want a mediocre RB backing up a seemingly fragile Green? Neither possition is considered a strength. Both possitions could be a strength IF the listed starter stays healthy. Right now we can't count on either players staying healthy. Hypothetical situations are just that, hypothetical. I seem to have more faith in Schaub and you seem to have more faith in someone who hasn't been drafted yet.
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calling Schaub "seemingly fragile" is pretty weak IMO.
So you think that Schaub is one of the more durable QB's of the NFL I assume.
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So you think that Schaub is one of the more durable QB's of the NFL I assume.
Can one season, and a cheap shot make a player fragile? Is there enough data to say either way?
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Can one season, and a cheap shot make a player fragile? Is there enough data to say either way?
I'm on that same fence, thus my unwillingness to deal Rosenfels this season.
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Can one season, and a cheap shot make a player fragile? Is there enough data to say either way?
I said "seemingly". Isn't that different than calling him fragile in an absolute type of manner?
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I said "seemingly". Isn't that different than calling him fragile in an absolute type of manner?
I guess, just not how I would have worded it, but if you ment not sure or personel doubts. Then I understand.
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Schaub apparently couldn't take a hit in college either.

Cheapshots, yeah, but a QB get's cheapshoted a lot. He went down and didn't get up after plenty of legal hits too.
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Schaub needs to learn to run backwards after he lets go of a pass, ala Brett Favre.
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Schaub apparently couldn't take a hit in college either.

Cheapshots, yeah, but a QB get's cheapshoted a lot. He went down and didn't get up after plenty of legal hits too.
I go too far in defending my teams players, so if I'm wrong, please give me some evidence that points to his being injury prone...or at least more so than any other college/NFL qb.
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Schaub had one injury in college. He went on to set 22 school records including most games played.

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Cheapshots, yeah, but a QB get's cheapshoted a lot. He went down and didn't get up after plenty of legal hits too.
One is plenty now? He went down and came out of the game three times--two on flagged personal fouls and then once on the sack that hurt his shoulder.
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Default Re: Vikings want to trade for Rosenfels..............

In answer to the question in the first post... No.

You take Chester Taylor away from that OL in Minnesota, and he wont get anywhere NEAR the YPC he had last year.
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Left tackle and strong RB in draft will resolve a lot of this.
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Schaub needs to learn to run backwards after he lets go of a pass, ala Brett Favre.
I just watched some Schaub highlights (you tube) and you are spot on. When he drops straight back and throws, he tends to watch the flight of the ball down field which is fine but he is somewhat oblivious to the traffic around him.
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Schaub apparently couldn't take a hit in college either.

Cheapshots, yeah, but a QB get's cheapshoted a lot. He went down and didn't get up after plenty of legal hits too.
I resolved to stay out of any "Trade Sage" threads, but I have to weigh in on this. Schaub took a ton of hits in his 3 seasons as UVA's QB. Only one of them knocked him out of a game--when he separated his right shoulder (not the same one he hurt this past year) in the first game of his senior season. He only missed two games even though the doctors were advising an absence of up to two months. Once he returned in game 4, he took all the snaps the rest of the way.

In his junior year (when he won ACC MVP over classmate Philip Rivers), Schaub was playing behind an all-new offensive line featuring an 18-year-old left tackle who had trouble getting his weight over the 240 pound mark and no running game to speak of. He got routinely clocked, but that's where you could see the light come on for him: his quick-reading ability was born that year. [To me, this is what makes Schaub the anti-Carr: Schaub became a better QB when defenses teed off on him, Carr went to pieces.]

That having been said, even I don't believe that Schaub has proven that he can make it through 16 games for us. The only way to prove you can do something in the NFL is to do it, and he has not yet done it. So I wouldn't trade Sage for anything less than a early-to-mid 2nd rounder. And I certainly wouldn't trade him for Chester Taylor. If Schaub rolls through 2008 without missing time, then my asking price for Sage goes down (of course, the demand for him probably goes down, too).
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I would say that the only thing we really know for certain at this point is that Schaub is not "uncommonly durable". Everything else we find out this year.
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