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Old 03-05-2008   #81
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I know a lot of people here are strong on Diles, but IIRC didnt he come out last year and get hurt almost immediately? I could be mistaken, but if that's true, a fragile SLB to me is about worthless since he will be ramming heads with the best RB's in the league. Hope you're right.
Don't recall whether Diles was injured, but assuming he was--FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PEOPLE PLEASE STOP LABELING PEOPLE AS FRAGILE AFTER A SINGLE INJURY IN THE N friggin F friggin L. It is a violent sport. Almost every player is injured. Until you get to repeat injuries to the same location, this is absurd silliness.

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Well I think everything we've done this offseason tells us exactly what we're NOT going to do on Draft Day.

1) Alex Gibbs- With Gibbs (along with Kubiak's) knowledge and eye for offensive line talent paired with our zone blocking scheme means one thing, and one thing only: We will NOT select anyone on the Offensive line in the 1st round. They can hand-pick "their guys" later in the draft (on the 2nd day).

2) Gary Kubiak- With Gary Kubiak (along with Rick Smith) running the show similar to what they did in Denver means one thing. We will NOT select a Running Back in the 1st round and can easily plug in a RB from the 2nd day or undrafted that will consistenly produce 1,000+yard season.

3) Ray Rhodes, Will Demps, & Jacques Reeves- With Ray Rhodes coaching the secondary and especially with signing Reeves + re-signing Will Demps coupled with the emergence of Fred Bennett (4th round pick) being so good in his rookie season- there is no more need in the secondary. This means one thing: We will NOT select a Cornerback or Safety in the 1st round and can look at a guy like Freddie B. in the 4th round to come in and play well and groom at the same time.

4) Amobi Okoye, Mario Williams, Travis Johnson, 'the late' Jason Babin- With spending 4 1st round picks in the last 4 years on the defensive line, the Houston fanbase would line up and shoot themselves if they selected another D-lineman. This means we will NOT select a defensive lineman in the 1st round.

5) A. Johnson, A. Davis, J. Jones, K. Walter- With the best WR in the league, an emerging 3rd round superstar in Jacoby Jones, re-signing the stud Andre Davis, and having Kevin Walter (a guy Kubiak loves and fans are starting to like) means we might actually have a strength in our WR corps. This means we will NOT select a Wide Receiver in the 1st round.

6) Demeco freakin' Ryans- Need I say more? Superstud Middle linebacker can pretty much take care of it himself. Outside of him we have Greenwood, who is nothing special but always produces solid play. Then we have Zac Diles (7th rd pick!) who is 100% definitely going to start next to Demeco cuz Kubiak said so. Just signed a guy Bentley from the Seahawks who should get some great playing time and be solid depth at the least. All this means Linebacker is not a need so we can look at this position on the 2nd day or get another Free Agent... This means we will NOT select a LB in the 1st round.

7) Vonta Leach and Owen Daniels- Two great players at their respective positions. Leach is awesome. Daniels is a great TE, esp. for a 4th rounder. If we can get him in the 4th, there is NO reason to spend a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round pick on a Tight End. Plus, Dreessen looked pretty solid and can learn the position well. This means we will NOT spend a 1st round pick on a FB or TE.

8) Matt Schaub + Sage Rosenfels- Matt Schaub is a superstar and some on here like Sage Rosenfels better. Schaub is possibly our franchise QB and Sage is a great back up who can come in and start if need be. He did last season and pretty much all he did was win. We will NOT select a QB in the 1st round.



So by my count... let's see here. We won't be selecting a QB, FB, RB, TE, WR, LT, G, C, DE, DT, OLB, MLB, CB or S in the first round. It's been proven because of these examples and the coaches' past. I think this only means we HAVE to not only trade away our 1st round pick.. trade it on all the way down, but we won't need a 3rd rounder either because that's still a real quality pick. We can hand pick all our guys from the 4th round-on mainly because of Gary Kubiak, Rick Smith, Alex Gibbs, Ray Rhodes and the recent draft pick/ free agent signings.


I vote for some dead fans and draft a defensive lineman that way some good seats will open up for your tax break money .
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Yep, Ray Guy. 1st time ever, not sure if it happened again.
The Raiders did it again in 2000 with Sebastian Janikowski, and at 17 no less!
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The Raiders did it again in 2000 with Sebastian Janikowski, and at 17 no less!
Good grief, not only did they do it, but they did it TWICE? How freaking nuts is that?
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Good grief, not only did they do it, but they did it TWICE? How freaking nuts is that?
I want to say that they drafted a punter ion like the 3rd round the same year.
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I want to say that they drafted a punter ion like the 3rd round the same year.
They took Shane Lechler in the 5th. Pretty good pick, but doesn't make up for taking a kicker 17th overall.
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Didn't the Raiders draft a kicker in the 1st once? If not, sure sounds like something they would do.

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Thank you! This data will certainly put teeth behind my campaign to draft a Long Snapper in the 1st.
Well that was a need of ours shown on the NFL Network during the combine!!!
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Well I think everything we've done this offseason tells us exactly what we're NOT going to do on Draft Day.

1) Alex Gibbs- With Gibbs (along with Kubiak's) knowledge and eye for offensive line talent paired with our zone blocking scheme means one thing, and one thing only: We will NOT select anyone on the Offensive line in the 1st round. They can hand-pick "their guys" later in the draft (on the 2nd day).

2) Gary Kubiak- With Gary Kubiak (along with Rick Smith) running the show similar to what they did in Denver means one thing. We will NOT select a Running Back in the 1st round and can easily plug in a RB from the 2nd day or undrafted that will consistenly produce 1,000+yard season.

3) Ray Rhodes, Will Demps, & Jacques Reeves- With Ray Rhodes coaching the secondary and especially with signing Reeves + re-signing Will Demps coupled with the emergence of Fred Bennett (4th round pick) being so good in his rookie season- there is no more need in the secondary. This means one thing: We will NOT select a Cornerback or Safety in the 1st round and can look at a guy like Freddie B. in the 4th round to come in and play well and groom at the same time.

4) Amobi Okoye, Mario Williams, Travis Johnson, 'the late' Jason Babin- With spending 4 1st round picks in the last 4 years on the defensive line, the Houston fanbase would line up and shoot themselves if they selected another D-lineman. This means we will NOT select a defensive lineman in the 1st round.

5) A. Johnson, A. Davis, J. Jones, K. Walter- With the best WR in the league, an emerging 3rd round superstar in Jacoby Jones, re-signing the stud Andre Davis, and having Kevin Walter (a guy Kubiak loves and fans are starting to like) means we might actually have a strength in our WR corps. This means we will NOT select a Wide Receiver in the 1st round.

6) Demeco freakin' Ryans- Need I say more? Superstud Middle linebacker can pretty much take care of it himself. Outside of him we have Greenwood, who is nothing special but always produces solid play. Then we have Zac Diles (7th rd pick!) who is 100% definitely going to start next to Demeco cuz Kubiak said so. Just signed a guy Bentley from the Seahawks who should get some great playing time and be solid depth at the least. All this means Linebacker is not a need so we can look at this position on the 2nd day or get another Free Agent... This means we will NOT select a LB in the 1st round.

7) Vonta Leach and Owen Daniels- Two great players at their respective positions. Leach is awesome. Daniels is a great TE, esp. for a 4th rounder. If we can get him in the 4th, there is NO reason to spend a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round pick on a Tight End. Plus, Dreessen looked pretty solid and can learn the position well. This means we will NOT spend a 1st round pick on a FB or TE.

8) Matt Schaub + Sage Rosenfels- Matt Schaub is a superstar and some on here like Sage Rosenfels better. Schaub is possibly our franchise QB and Sage is a great back up who can come in and start if need be. He did last season and pretty much all he did was win. We will NOT select a QB in the 1st round.



So by my count... let's see here. We won't be selecting a QB, FB, RB, TE, WR, LT, G, C, DE, DT, OLB, MLB, CB or S in the first round. It's been proven because of these examples and the coaches' past. I think this only means we HAVE to not only trade away our 1st round pick.. trade it on all the way down, but we won't need a 3rd rounder either because that's still a real quality pick. We can hand pick all our guys from the 4th round-on mainly because of Gary Kubiak, Rick Smith, Alex Gibbs, Ray Rhodes and the recent draft pick/ free agent signings.
Can't rep ya again. Great post as usual Ole Miss.
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You know, it is my opinion now, since the hiring of Gibbs, that no one has any idea who we will draft and in what round, and who will end up playing what position on the O-line. I/we have an idea of what Gibbs likes and what he's done in the past, but right now, it just seems like the whole thing is a "crap shoot."

Some think Studdard should play because of his tenacity, which is certainly one of the traits Gibbs would like. But, does he have the foot speed and quickness that Gibbs will demand? Will McKinney fit in better as Guard or Center, or will he have lost too much of a step and be cut? Will Frye get moved back to LT because of his quickness, or will he struggle with learning the technique Gibbs wants and go back to the PS?

As for the Draft, do they go for the Chris Williams in the 1st round, or do they wait and go for someone like Jeremy Zuttah in the 4th? Or, do they try to trade down in the 1st and maybe pick Branden Albert and convert him to LT?

Lots of questions. Lots of options. Should be interesting. JMHO!
Good points. I am eager to see the new system but when you have linemen with leg or knee injuries such as McKinney that becomes a concern. I would think lateral movement could be more difficult than straight forward or backward movement. Maybe someone with more knowledge could offer an opinion?

I know McKinney, team dietician Roberta Anding and rehab coach Dan Riley are hosting a nutrition and fitness clinic March 15 at Steve's Velocity. Location is Highway 6 and Dulles in Missouri City. No charge but advance registration required. 281-208-2733. My son went to high school with McKinney (two years behind) so I have always pulled for him. My understanding is his rehab is going well.

If a potentially great player (Williams, Stewart, Medendhall) is available at our pick, I'd hesitate on hoping a Zuttah or a second tier RB will be there in 4th. Also, Zuttah is thought to be small at 6'4" for LT (I'm not sure I buy that)and may end up at guard. He is interesting at 4 or 5 as he can play T,G or C and is moving up the boards. RT at Rutgers.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...php?pyid=33570
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Well I think everything we've done this offseason tells us exactly what we're NOT going to do on Draft Day.

1) Alex Gibbs- With Gibbs (along with Kubiak's) knowledge and eye for offensive line talent paired with our zone blocking scheme means one thing, and one thing only: We will NOT select anyone on the Offensive line in the 1st round. They can hand-pick "their guys" later in the draft (on the 2nd day).

2) Gary Kubiak- With Gary Kubiak (along with Rick Smith) running the show similar to what they did in Denver means one thing. We will NOT select a Running Back in the 1st round and can easily plug in a RB from the 2nd day or undrafted that will consistenly produce 1,000+yard season.

3) Ray Rhodes, Will Demps, & Jacques Reeves- With Ray Rhodes coaching the secondary and especially with signing Reeves + re-signing Will Demps coupled with the emergence of Fred Bennett (4th round pick) being so good in his rookie season- there is no more need in the secondary. This means one thing: We will NOT select a Cornerback or Safety in the 1st round and can look at a guy like Freddie B. in the 4th round to come in and play well and groom at the same time.

4) Amobi Okoye, Mario Williams, Travis Johnson, 'the late' Jason Babin- With spending 4 1st round picks in the last 4 years on the defensive line, the Houston fanbase would line up and shoot themselves if they selected another D-lineman. This means we will NOT select a defensive lineman in the 1st round.

5) A. Johnson, A. Davis, J. Jones, K. Walter- With the best WR in the league, an emerging 3rd round superstar in Jacoby Jones, re-signing the stud Andre Davis, and having Kevin Walter (a guy Kubiak loves and fans are starting to like) means we might actually have a strength in our WR corps. This means we will NOT select a Wide Receiver in the 1st round.

6) Demeco freakin' Ryans- Need I say more? Superstud Middle linebacker can pretty much take care of it himself. Outside of him we have Greenwood, who is nothing special but always produces solid play. Then we have Zac Diles (7th rd pick!) who is 100% definitely going to start next to Demeco cuz Kubiak said so. Just signed a guy Bentley from the Seahawks who should get some great playing time and be solid depth at the least. All this means Linebacker is not a need so we can look at this position on the 2nd day or get another Free Agent... This means we will NOT select a LB in the 1st round.

7) Vonta Leach and Owen Daniels- Two great players at their respective positions. Leach is awesome. Daniels is a great TE, esp. for a 4th rounder. If we can get him in the 4th, there is NO reason to spend a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round pick on a Tight End. Plus, Dreessen looked pretty solid and can learn the position well. This means we will NOT spend a 1st round pick on a FB or TE.

8) Matt Schaub + Sage Rosenfels- Matt Schaub is a superstar and some on here like Sage Rosenfels better. Schaub is possibly our franchise QB and Sage is a great back up who can come in and start if need be. He did last season and pretty much all he did was win. We will NOT select a QB in the 1st round.



So by my count... let's see here. We won't be selecting a QB, FB, RB, TE, WR, LT, G, C, DE, DT, OLB, MLB, CB or S in the first round. It's been proven because of these examples and the coaches' past. I think this only means we HAVE to not only trade away our 1st round pick.. trade it on all the way down, but we won't need a 3rd rounder either because that's still a real quality pick. We can hand pick all our guys from the 4th round-on mainly because of Gary Kubiak, Rick Smith, Alex Gibbs, Ray Rhodes and the recent draft pick/ free agent signings.
You are so right and I agree with you 100 % that the Texans will do exactly as you say, unless they don't.
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Don't recall whether Diles was injured, but assuming he was--FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PEOPLE PLEASE STOP LABELING PEOPLE AS FRAGILE AFTER A SINGLE INJURY IN THE N friggin F friggin L. It is a violent sport. Almost every player is injured. Until you get to repeat injuries to the same location, this is absurd silliness.

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ICAK, your rant beat my rant by a little.. Same thing wth Schaub. Injuries happen! Let's not label a player so quickly.
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Hey OMT, how many 7th round picks can we get for our 1st and third? I'm thinking an extra 7th for like 20 years would be sweet.
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Both Wade and Croker have been given contract offers:
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If we sign Wade, I hope it does not stop us from going after Scott still.
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If we sign Wade, I hope it does not stop us from going after Scott still.
Agreed I would rather have Scott because he is younger and has more upside. He is also a beast(I'm not saying Wade is not).
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If we sign Wade, I hope it does not stop us from going after Scott still.
I could not agree more. Especially after we got bit so bad by the injury bug last year...
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Don't recall whether Diles was injured, but assuming he was--FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PEOPLE PLEASE STOP LABELING PEOPLE AS FRAGILE AFTER A SINGLE INJURY IN THE N friggin F friggin L.
I can't find anything on a Diles injury. He may be thinking about Shawn Barber, who was placed on IR last November. Thankfully, the Texans released that fragile pansy.
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Agreed I would rather have Scott because he is younger and has more upside. He is also a beast(I'm not saying Wade is not).
Yes, it's always better to get a young "beast" instead of an old "beast." More upside!
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Agreed I would rather have Scott because he is younger and has more upside. He is also a beast(I'm not saying Wade is not).
But one plays Guard and one plays Center so I do not think it should effect either or.
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Crocker is visiting Pittsburgh today.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08066...d=steelers.xml

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Chris Crocker, a free agent safety from Atlanta, joined the list of players for personal interviews with the Steelers today at their UPMC facility on Pittsburgh's South Side.

Crocker became the fifth unrestricted free agent to visit the Steelers since Monday, and the second free safety.
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